Big Announcement from Ford Australia? - Page 4

sleekism · 01-07-2007, 08:21 PM

Won't be suprised about a 302kw Cobra before orion.

I've heard of some freak GT's coming off the production line producing 300kw's plus so it can't be too hard.

Proof: Motor magazine I have where the 290kw GT pt out MORE on the dyno than the supposed 297kw Clubsport.

Transit Truck · 01-07-2007, 08:55 PM

Check out this list:

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about...m#unitedstates

Have a read through the models of cars listed at each assembly plant.

XAGSV8 · 01-07-2007, 09:17 PM

Kansas hey.

XR8putts · 01-07-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XAGSV8

Kansas hey.

No smiley/emoticon has been made to represent my face right now..

Nostalgia · 01-07-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by akiklovich

Check out this list:

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about...m#unitedstates

Have a read through the models of cars listed at each assembly plant.

I heard that Ford has built a GIGANTIC factory in India, as a result 9 american plants shut down. This came from a inside source. Anyone else heard this ?

Mark351 · 01-07-2007, 09:30 PM

Hope they build cars better than they write software if it is true.

Decadentia · 01-07-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Its obvious then that most who drive, own, 'support' the Ford brand will no way be satisfied unless an announcement is made that a 400rwkw FPV that will sell below 50k is unveiled as everything else that is produced is crap. Shame really.

Maybe they are announcing that GT stickers and stripes are no longer an option because its obvious no one wants them?

Personally I'm satisfied with the outputs across the board of the falcon family of cars, so it's not a numbers thing, Nor is it that people option stripes/strips/stickers on their purchases, but the way in which Ford recycle their marketing strategy to launch ' new ' models, or ' limited edition' vehicles, which are no more than superficial visual changes.

If the marketing for a product becomes that predictable, and there is barely any variance in product from old to new, then where is the incentive to upgrade ?

apolloxbgt · 02-07-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

It was actually 2.3 kids. And I was the .3 (as my older brother said).
That kid sat in the back and measures the space between himself and his siblings, and was satisfied, stating that Ford Falcon has enough room for everybody in the family.

Those adds were for the laser,not the falcon.

Sloth · 02-07-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by puts99

No smiley/emoticon has been made to represent my face right now..

Sorry but Im pretty sure that list might go back to the 60s. There are other cars in there that havent been in production for years. Classic Mustang, classic Thunderbird, LTD, Torino, Cougar.

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Road Games · 02-07-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EAadam

I heard that Ford has built a GIGANTIC factory in India, as a result 9 american plants shut down. This came from a inside source. Anyone else heard this ?

Got any proof to back up this statement ???

**Fordman1** · 02-07-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EAadam

I heard that Ford has built a GIGANTIC factory in India, as a result 9 american plants shut down. This came from a inside source. Anyone else heard this ?

9 American plants shut down because of loss of market share, inefficient practices, and the drop in sales due to various declining vehicle segments that Ford were strong in (ie: overcapacity in SUV & truck plants). NOT because of an Indian plant (no Indian built cars are exported to North America).

MeestaNob! · 02-07-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XAGSV8

Kansas hey.

And Oakville (Canada).

madmelon · 02-07-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MeestaNob!

And Oakville (Canada).

See that 4.0L I6 isn't mentioned for any of the engine plants...

If this is the big announcement, it could go very well or very badly for Ford Aus. The only thing that will keep them above ground is exports- we all know this is the truth. How many exports will there be if Ford NA is churning out Falcons at a faster rate than us? At least it appears we'd be producing their engines, enless they decide to ruin the falcon with a smaller capacity one from their own plants...

**Fordman1** · 02-07-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by madmelon

See that 4.0L I6 isn't mentioned for any of the engine plants...

How about this :

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about...oryAsiaPac.htm

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Geelong Engine

Geelong, Victoria
Products: I-6 engines, I-6: Ford Falcon, Fairlane and LTD
Year opened: 1926
Plant size (sq ft): 247,644"

Geelong Engine not canned quite yet

JPFS1 · 02-07-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by madmelon

See that 4.0L I6 isn't mentioned for any of the engine plants...

If this is the big announcement, it could go very well or very badly for Ford Aus. The only thing that will keep them above ground is exports- we all know this is the truth. How many exports will there be if Ford NA is churning out Falcons at a faster rate than us? At least it appears we'd be producing their engines, enless they decide to ruin the falcon with a smaller capacity one from their own plants...

There's more than 1 way to skin a cat...

Tles · 02-07-2007, 09:30 PM

The Cleveland Engine and Casting plants quoted as making the 3.0litre Duramax V6 have been rested for 12 months. If and when they reopen they will have been retooled to build the 3.5litre V6 Duramax V6 and variants like Holden's engine company. The 3.5V6 is in everything from Edge to Mazda6.
The CX9's coming to Australia are rumoured to have a 3.7l 190kw version, so the bigger derivations are already on the way.
The 4.0l I6 will need to be either -
developed to a premium engine and used in another vehicle like Jaguar XF instead of the 3.0V6 or LR3 Discovery or -
A high quality LPG injection dual fuel option offered, maybe hybrid Turbo (MU study underway) -
otherwise it will looks more than likely for eventual death of a thousand cuts especially from Turbo Diesel.

vztrt · 02-07-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EAadam

I heard that Ford has built a GIGANTIC factory in India, as a result 9 american plants shut down. This came from a inside source. Anyone else heard this ?

I wouldn't be surprised if Ford have a plant in india (they built one in Vietnam to build Kia's/Fiestas), Ford Australia designed the IKON for the Indian market.

Tles · 03-07-2007, 05:30 AM

How about a "TwinForceTM" version of the 4.0LI6 twin turbo Direct injection. Kuzak has just announced in the US that the production version of the engine below will be available soon.

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Autoblog Lincoln MKR Concept

Innovative TwinForce™ Powertrain
Under the Lincoln MKR's sculpted hood is the exquisitely detailed TwinForce engine, finished in chrome and accented in the cranberry red metallic paint that dresses the rest of the modern exterior.

This marks the birth of the new TwinForce engine family that will power production versions of a range of future Ford and Lincoln products.

TwinForce uses direct injection technology and turbocharging. These technologies are common in diesel engines but have only recently been combined together in gasoline engines.

The Lincoln MKR's engine also is flex fuel capable, providing the driver with the flexibility to switch back and forth between gasoline and E-85 ethanol. Combining the high octane found in E-85 or premium gasoline with TwinForce technology allows the MKR's V-6 to deliver 415 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque – an impressive 118 horsepower per liter.

To achieve this type of performance from a V-8 would require an engine displacement of 6.0-liter or larger, nearly double the size of the 3.5-liter in the Lincoln MKR. As a result of the smaller V-6, the Lincoln MKR concept delivers 15 percent better fuel economy than a V-8 with similar performance.

The concept's engine is mated to a six-speed transmission, and the concept features independent rear suspension for more refined road manners.

madmelon · 03-07-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

How about this :

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about...oryAsiaPac.htm

Geelong Engine not canned quite yet

Yeh that's what I meant- that's the only place it's listed, ie NOT at Ford NA plants. If the information is taken as they will be building the Falcon there, would it use the Aus. I6 or would they cram one of thier engines into it?
That's the point I'm trying to make....

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by madmelon

Yeh that's what I meant- that's the only place it's listed, ie NOT at Ford NA plants. If the information is taken as they will be building the Falcon there, would it use the Aus. I6 or would they cram one of thier engines into it?
That's the point I'm trying to make....

I'd suggest any forward plans or programs will NOT be public knowledge or on any website that is accesible to the likes of you and me.

If there are future plans regarding engines or vehicles for Australia or the long term prospects of the I6, we won't know about them until we're told be Ford. "Fishing" for details on public Ford sites won't shed any light on any plans.

falzoony · 03-07-2007, 04:28 PM

If they do bring back the cobra does that mean it will be two door?

BOOSTDEF · 03-07-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by falzoony

If they do bring back the cobra does that mean it will be two door?

100% certainly not. The time, money, and technology needed to make a couped chassis would be far too extreme to keep it secret this long.

It will be a shitty white sedan with blue stripes. They will be selling the name to 50yo enthusiasts who couldnt give a flying crap about whats under the hood.

Still, Ford Australia do not know how to build a brand image. 40 years on, and we still rely on the XY GT for our supreme weapon of choice. Sad really...

DJL351 · 03-07-2007, 04:59 PM

Mondeo Levels & Prices

Terri & Focus Oil Burners

Terri FPV

Those four are in the pipe lines and will be announced soon.

D

falzoony · 03-07-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BOOSTDEF

100% certainly not. The time, money, and technology needed to make a couped chassis would be far too extreme to keep it secret this long.

It will be a shitty white sedan with blue stripes. They will be selling the name to 50yo enthusiasts who couldnt give a flying crap about whats under the hood.

Still, Ford Australia do not know how to build a brand image. 40 years on, and we still rely on the XY GT for our supreme weapon of choice. Sad really...

I agree with you but I think that there is no point ford bringing back the cobra unless its a two-door.

**data_mine** · 03-07-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Proof: Motor magazine I have where the 290kw GT pt out MORE on the dyno than the supposed 297kw Clubsport.

Me and a guy at work, bought new cars about a week apart. Both got dynoed. Both pulled the same number (230.0). Me a BF GT-P, him a VE GTS.

**Fordman1** · 03-07-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by data_mine

Me and a guy at work, bought new cars about a week apart. Both got dynoed. Both pulled the same number (230.0). Me a BF GT-P, him a VE GTS.

Interesting !

I wonder if the extra 12kw (if that is what is on the cards) is REALLY 12 kw or are Ford going to do a Nissan (GTR) and quote a number way below the real output.......?

Boss 302 sounds a lot better than Boss 315 doesn't it ? AND it won't attract the anti power lobbyists like bees to a honeypot !!

In the end the Torque will be what gives the car more muscle.. NOT kw's ! I wonder what that will be ?

BOOSTDEF · 03-07-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by falzoony

I agree with you but I think that there is no point ford bringing back the cobra unless its a two-door.

Oh yeh definately. The coupe has to return. Maybe with a new batch of engineers or marketing professionals one of them might take the initiative to move forward.

But anyways, whatever it is, Im sure it will be an anti climax like usual. I hope im wrong though.

falzoony · 03-07-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BOOSTDEF

Oh yeh definately. The coupe has to return. Maybe with a new batch of engineers or marketing professionals one of them might take the initiative to move forward.

But anyways, whatever it is, Im sure it will be an anti climax like usual. I hope im wrong though.

I hope your wrong too

McobraR · 03-07-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

In the end the Torque will be what gives the car more muscle.. NOT kw's ! I wonder what that will be ?

Probably wont be more than 530nm. Holden's LS2 is a beast of an engine, and there's no way the 5.4 will match the 550nm, this is where cubic capcity is the key. even the DJR at 320kw had a peak of 540nm. Though, i'm hoping im wrong

sleekism · 03-07-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by McobraR

Probably wont be more than 530nm. Holden's LS2 is a beast of an engine, and there's no way the 5.4 will match the 550nm, this is where cubic capcity is the key. even the DJR at 320kw had a peak of 540nm. Though, i'm hoping im wrong

Typhoon matches GTS at 550nm.........

Bring on supercharged GT.

BTW another interesting fact not only does the GT put out more on the dyno than the Clubsport (BF vs VZ) but the GT made more power the hotter it got while the Clubsport lost power-the measure of a true engine.

Plus Holden V8's sound shithouse