Holden's new Daewoo Barina sedan crash test results

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Four posts in this thread with no mention of the topic ?

Well i wouldn't be the one and only;) And this the Barina isn't a car you buy for safety it's a car you buy for being cheap.

[zetec]

[Jet-Star]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

That is a very ugly crash test pic, not surprising really.

Did I miss something? I clicked that link and couldn't find any crash test pics :s

[LethalLeigh]

I'm not surprised the Courier only received 2 stars. Most Japanese utes have pretty poor crash ratings. In fact, that picture seems to show more cabin deformation than the Barina sedan.

[XplodE]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

What? Has everyone forgot about this??? : http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...ford%20courier
Dancing with the stars

At least this is an outgoing model that will be replace by years end, unlike the barina that is a new model to be around for many years to come....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XplodE

At least this is an outgoing model that will be replace by years end, unlike the barina that is a new model to be around for many years to come....

And it doesn't go the pathetic route of replacing an older version that was much safer like the European Astra.

[MeestaNob!]

The USA must use a 100 star scale to rate vehicle safety then, cause every other test says its a DOG.

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by Jesse06

Did I miss something? I clicked that link and couldn't find any crash test pics :s

The second link to EuroNCAP had the crash test pics, doesn't seem to work now though. link. Here is the pic - note how the roof & A pillar have given way completely - the steering wheel and dash are now closer to the seat increasing the chance/severity of head injury. That also means the bottom of the A pillar and footwell have collapsed which is very bad for the well-being of your feet and legs.

[blackahcdx]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And it doesn't go the pathetic route of replacing an older version that was much safer like the European Astra.

hmm, are u sating the the TS astra is safer than the AH astra?

thats baloney!

Ah gets a 4.5 stars with 4 air bags and 5 stars with 6 air bags


TS astra got 4 stars i think

[2kool4u]

if it was a ford no-one here would have a single word to say. you would all be making excuses for it.

and before anyone jumps on me, the barina is a piece of 5hit no doubt, just pointing out if it was a ford no-one would say a word

[Nappa]

Originally Posted by 2kool4u

if it was a ford no-one here would have a single word to say. you would all be making excuses for it.

and before anyone jumps on me, the barina is a piece of 5hit no doubt, just pointing out if it was a ford no-one would say a word

i guess that’s because this is a ford orientated forum, but then again there are plenty of threads that start here that are criticizing ford.

We’ve all known that the new barina would be a shadow of it former self in all aspects from safety to build quality. The Ford courier did receive a very poor
Safety rating but the media response to this wasn’t nearly as large as that with the barina that is because the courier is aimed at a different market, that’s why things like air con and abs are usually options, tradies want a work horse and the tend to be after different features to the small car buyer.
With the expansion of the small car market the manufactures have recognized that more people are moving to small models but still want the same safety and reliability as there larger car, I think it was a very poor move of Holden to market the Daewoo under their badge, Now I know that you and I would know better then to buy a car that has such a poor safety rating, but I’m sure there are plenty of people who trust that, because it’s a Holden that it has a good standard of safety and are being mislead into buying a rather dangerous car. Sorry for the rant……

[blackahcdx]

All Holden vehicles meet or exceed strict Australian and safety standards - including Holden Barina.
Barina is part of a family of vehicles that has sold around 800,000 units in 95 countries since 2002. It meets or exceeds the legislated safety requirements in every one of those 95 countries including Australia, parts of Europe and the US.
At Holden, we do not allow a single test on one vehicle to determine its crashworthiness or overall safety. Instead, we put vehicles through some of the most stringent crash testing in the world and often these tests far exceed legal requirements.
Our internal crash testing procedures, in many cases, are the benchmark for the entire automotive industry. Many safety features in the world's vehicles today are the result of the GM researchers and engineers.
The Barina is a safe vehicle as reflected by the excellent track record of crashworthiness of vehicles on roads around the world since the vehicle was launched four years ago. It has a comprehensive safety feature list with standard or optional features including driver and front passenger airbags, four channel ABS with electronic brake distribution and seat belt pretensioners.

[bathurst77]

Smells of Holden bashing to me
(not that I have a problem with that!- grin)
Yep that Barina fairs badly and we are all quick to bag them, but about a month ago the new Courier was canned in SMH for the exact same thing. This forum didnt go crazy then.

Anyway, read up on the US Pinto, Ford arent exactly saints, pretty disgusting actually.

[Full Spectrum]

The Barina is a cheap cheap car, It's no Opel Barina and never will be.
It passes the Australian standards, And until we left our min standards there will be nothing we can do about it.
But i don't think anyone that buys one is thinking 1 star 2 star 3 star, There thinking $1000-$4000 they can save over something else similar.
There are many cars on our roads that are death traps they are the ones we need to worry about more,
Until our and the rest of the worlds safety standards are raised we get stuck with cars that just pass.

[ClevlndStemer]

it is a pity the barina has fallen to this level, i had one many years ago, the old suzuki swift version and it was one of the best cars i had owned, it was able to cope with what I threw at it. Can't say the same for recent cars that I have driven.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by 2kool4u

if it was a ford no-one here would have a single word to say. you would all be making excuses for it.

and before anyone jumps on me, the barina is a piece of 5hit no doubt, just pointing out if it was a ford no-one would say a word

Now now now! HAAAAANG on a second. If Ford Decided to Axe the Fiesta and replace it with ooh, say, a dead old Kia model from 3 years ago, I think there WOULD be protest AND plenty of anger, disbeleif (why? whyyy??) and taking posts from the Ford crowd. I know this without a doubt. We know that we have a good safe well built car in the Fez. To replace it with a 3 year old Korean shoitbox would not sit lightly with any of us on the forums.

As for the courier argument. I think the point here is that the Old Euro Barina was a four star car. The fact that the cheap replacement is only two stars pinpoints holdens corner cutting for Sales. The courier has always been a Mazda, and not really a high volume, and popular model (like Barina), so maybe the reasons behind people not mentioning the "dancing with the stars" is becasue they probably dont care enough to know. Barina is getting more publicity, and rightfully so becasue it is a 3 year old Korean replacement that is less safe than its previous model all in the name of cost, and the media is having a frenzy on it.

[TotalDriver]

I reckon that new Barina is not a bad looking car!

Got that Euro styling that everyone is going for.

Hate to be in one during a Head-On at 60kph though. But then again, probably say the same for a BA.

I'll stick to my daily driver - nice big F250 with a HUGE Bullbar!

[ltd]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

All Holden vehicles meet or exceed strict Australian and safety standards - including Holden Barina.
Barina is part of a family of vehicles that has sold around 800,000 units in 95 countries since 2002. It meets or exceeds the legislated safety requirements in every one of those 95 countries including Australia, parts of Europe and the US.
At Holden, we do not allow a single test on one vehicle to determine its crashworthiness or overall safety. Instead, we put vehicles through some of the most stringent crash testing in the world and often these tests far exceed legal requirements.
Our internal crash testing procedures, in many cases, are the benchmark for the entire automotive industry. Many safety features in the world's vehicles today are the result of the GM researchers and engineers.
The Barina is a safe vehicle as reflected by the excellent track record of crashworthiness of vehicles on roads around the world since the vehicle was launched four years ago. It has a comprehensive safety feature list with standard or optional features including driver and front passenger airbags, four channel ABS with electronic brake distribution and seat belt pretensioners.

Yeah you're right. Pity the Daewoo is an absolute POS that scraped in by the skin of its balls to make the Australian standard. Oh wait, it's the same car.

Honestly dude, the chinese landcruiser rip off called the land wind has airbags, ebd and abs, yet has failed every crash test put to it. In actual fact, you are safer being hit by a car standing on the street than being in the landwind as the whole car explodes around you. Smacks of astra to me particularly when you see the crash test dummy's hand through the windscreen.

[Full Spectrum]

You don't want to be in any head on crash,
I was next to a car one night, A VL Calais, Off we went at the lights it was wet so traction was hard, No dragging from the 2 of us at all as it's pretty silly when it's that wet, Anyway off we go i see a Toyota Camry turn in-front very slow, I hit the brakes 2seconds later they hit each other head on. Speed was about 40-45kp/h, Both cars very badly smashed at the fronts with the battery's pushed a good 250-300mm back into the engine bay, The lady in the Camry got out of her car as the door popped open, But the guy in the VL had to get out on the passenger side, Both cars wouldn't roll they would probably be written off. Lucky it wasn't 60-70. The force was so shocking the rear of the VL lifted up a good 2 foot. the Camry was spun around next to it facing the same way. But thank god no-one was injured even though the driver of the VL must have bite his lip or hit his mouth on the steering he had a bloody lip.
The Guy in the VL said to me he only just picked it up yesterday from the paint shop he just had it sprayed.

[bathurst77]

I would guess that even a "2 star" new car is safer then almost ANY (similar sized) car more then four or 5 years old.
So i would rather be in that new beep-beep then a 10 year old Corolla/laser etc.

[blackahcdx]

Has everyone forgotten ford used to seell a car called the Festiva, a re-badged Kia Rio?

Oh what a POS :p

[Dezza]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

Has everyone forgotten ford used to seell a car called the Festiva, a re-badged Kia Rio?

Oh what a POS :p

Used to, yes. They don't anymore though. As mentioned numerous times in this thread, Holden replaced a 4 star European model with a 2 star Korean one. Ford on the other hand have gone completely away from the Festiva and now run with the far better built European Fiesta.

As for the Courier point, it is one of the oldest utes on the market, so it has fallen behind with safety. The ute they tested wasn't the new one. I bet that the new model which has been unveiled will be a far stronger and safer ute.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

Has everyone forgotten ford used to seell a car called the Festiva, a re-badged Kia Rio?

Oh what a POS :p

Erm, That was the other way round. In Ford's case A Good Euro car replaced the Korean POS.

[outback_ute]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Anyway, read up on the US Pinto, Ford arent exactly saints, pretty disgusting actually.

That is very true, hopefully they have learnt from that though...

For those not familiar with it, the cars had a lot of cases of catching fire after being hit in the back. From memory, in one of the court cases there was some internal Ford documentation found that basically had worked out it would be cheaper to pay projected compensation payouts to crash/fire victims than to change the design and prevent the problem, which involved putting a cover over a protruding bolt on the diff that was puncturing the fuel tank in crashes.

It sounds like the Courier has had its rating reduced from 3 stars to 2, is that the case? As stated it is a very old design now, so not really surprising, especially since it is doesn't have airbags.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by blackahcdx

hmm, are u sating the the TS astra is safer than the AH astra?

thats baloney!

Ah gets a 4.5 stars with 4 air bags and 5 stars with 6 air bags


TS astra got 4 stars i think

I meant the Barina, replacing the European version with 4 stars with the Korean made rebadged Daewoo that has a 2 star rating. The things Holden will do for sales.

[blackahcdx]

ahh, right, i thought u meant barina ;)

[Falcon Freak]

Holden's Daewoo models are not selling as well as expected. Surprise, surprise! Click here for latest news

FF

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Holden's Daewoo models are not selling as well as expected. Surprise, surprise! Click here for latest news

FF

I drive past one every day (just one .. I must be lucky!!) and EVERYTIME I see it I think it is disgustingly ugly. Aside from all it's mechanical, reliability and safetly problems, it's so ugly I can't understand how it's target audience - women - would buy it? Do you walk out to it each morning with your eyes closed and feel for the doorhandle?

[ltd]

I love the line:

"The Barina is based on the Daewoo Kalos and underwent engineering work at Holden before being released in Australia last December."

Yeah, they put a holden badge on it and a different grille.
Thats engineering.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by SlickHolden

You don't want to be in any head on crash,
I was next to a car one night, A VL Calais, Off we went at the lights it was wet so traction was hard, No dragging from the 2 of us at all as it's pretty silly when it's that wet, Anyway off we go i see a Toyota Camry turn in-front very slow, I hit the brakes 2seconds later they hit each other head on. Speed was about 40-45kp/h, Both cars very badly smashed at the fronts with the battery's pushed a good 250-300mm back into the engine bay, The lady in the Camry got out of her car as the door popped open, But the guy in the VL had to get out on the passenger side, Both cars wouldn't roll they would probably be written off. Lucky it wasn't 60-70. The force was so shocking the rear of the VL lifted up a good 2 foot. the Camry was spun around next to it facing the same way. But thank god no-one was injured even though the driver of the VL must have bite his lip or hit his mouth on the steering he had a bloody lip.
The Guy in the VL said to me he only just picked it up yesterday from the paint shop he just had it sprayed.

It takes very little to write a car off these days. Cars like a VL commodore no matter how nice are only worth between 3-5K in the glass's guide, and as such between 1.5-2.5K will be enough to be an economic write off.
I have seen VL's with a wheelie bin up the bum written off.
And just to prove I am not targeting holden but making a point on insurance, I have also seen an ED falcon written off for scratches (key pinstripes).