ANCAP – It wasn’t us who stuffed up Lane Keep Assist (LKA) and Emergency Lane Keeping (ELK)

[lra]

Dunno if this link works .....
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...1i8mjW#details.

If something didn't happen, how do they know it could have happened 500,000 times.
I could beat Kyle Chambers in 100m freestyle swimming, but as it hasn't happened yet, he doesn't know about it, and I am happy with my imaginary world record.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Sorry mate you’re in another mind set.
Speeding had decreased immensely on the roads be it suburbia and more so on freeways.

sooooo, speeding has decreased, but accidents and injuries are up? almost as if speeding isn't actually the problem eh?

[prydey]

Driving around today I think I've discovered why many don't like tech like lane keeper /lane assist. These systems use cameras etc to keep the car relatively central to the painted lane.

A large percentage of people use the painted markings on the road as a rough guide only.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Driving around today I think I've discovered why many don't like tech like lane keeper /lane assist. These systems use cameras etc to keep the car relatively central to the painted lane.

A large percentage of people use the painted markings on the road as a rough guide only.

If you don't want me to drive over it, don't make it flat

[Citroënbender]

I love how bundying off for 24h every Friday evening means I am likely to come back and find one or two AFF threads are now mudfights.

Originally Posted by lra

I could beat Kyle Chambers in 100m freestyle swimming, but as it hasn't happened yet, he doesn't know about it, and I am happy with my imaginary world record.

Reminds me of Fresh Prince “I think I can beat Mike Tyson”?

I’m disappointed in whynot using research to propel an argument. Scientific input has no place in online disputes.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I’m disappointed in whynot using research to propel an argument. Scientific input has no place in online disputes.

Cherry picking data to suit a viewpoint.

[Captain Stubing]

Emergency Lane Keeping, Land Keep Assist, Cruise Control Distance systems are all relatively new.

Viewpoints on how they work, their effectiveness are even newer. We don't have enough real information to be effectively arguing with conviction.

Lets keep it civil, please, and thank you.


I let a lot of things ride, but don't want to let a thread get out of hand.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

People are aware cops are around, distance cameras, cameras in so many places sure there is still the rabbits who test the boundaries but nothing like in the past.
That’s Gov schemes, double demerits weekends might I add.
IF you don’t think that has contributed to facilities and or accidents to a % let me know otherwise.

Penalties are massive too - its not just 'driving offences' anymore they're all summary offences now.



The fines can be nothing really (depends on the magistrate) but the ramifications of criminal convictions are wide-reaching, you don't have discrimination protection against being discriminated against in this area in some states, like you with discrimination protection on race/identity/gender/equal opportunity. The protections available now only partially exist in VIC since 2021/2022 with some new at the time legislation - and it still doesn't introduce discrimination protection, it just hides someones ability to see your conviction depending on how the chips fall in court.

Check out this one for 25 over:

Fines for excessive speed, drug and alcohol offences are different from other fines – they are more serious.

They may result in:

driver licence cancellation or suspension
a conviction.

A conviction will be recorded 28 days from the Infringement Notice issue date on your fine, unless you object. If you were not responsible for the offence, you should act before that date. If you don't act, the offence will appear on your criminal record.

Excessive speed

You will be issued with an excessive speeding fine if you are caught driving 25km/h or more above the speed limit or driving at 130km/h or more.

Its the only criminal conviction you can score without even needing to set foot in court, and it applies once you pay your fine - this is the sort of thing that will catch you out on international travel too and cause dramas, or show up on criminal record checks on job interview process.

Dangerous Driving at Speed

In Victoria, dangerous driving at speed carries a maximum penalty of 2 years’ imprisonment or a fine of 240 penalty units. If the vehicle was driven at a speed of 45 kilometres per hour or more in excess of the speed limit, the court must also disqualify the driver for a minimum period of 12 months. If the vehicle was not driven at a speed of 45 kilometres per hour or more in excess of the speed limit, the court must disqualify the driver for a minimum period of 6 months.

What Actions Might Constitute Dangerous Driving At Speed?

The following actions can form the basis of a charge of dangerous driving at speed in Victoria:

Driving at 70km/h in a 40km/h school zone;
Driving at 150km/h on a 110 km/h highway;
Driving at 100km/h in a residential area which causes a collision.

Which Court Will Hear Your Matter?

Dangerous Driving at Speed is a summary offence and will be heard in the Magistrates’ Court of Victoria.

If you oldies did what you did in your youth now, you'd be hit with 2 hoon strikes straight up (exceed 70+ over limit), paying 3 months worth of impound fees and funding lawyers.

The fine was only $850 but it cost me about $4000+ by the time you take into account paying impound fees, looking nice for court and paying lawyers,

If you take into account lost income on the driving ban if you relied on your car to get to work like most people do, than that figure raises to around $70,000.

I'm open about it because I want others to understand the potential ramifications, its not just the potential for accident its the administration side that you don't expect - but I understand if current Franco said this to past Franco, I'd have told myself to GAGF

Certainly changed my attitude behind the wheel, thats for sure.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by simon varley

sooooo, speeding has decreased, but accidents and injuries are up? almost as if speeding isn't actually the problem eh?

True be curious to really know the facts - prydey quoted about more hospitalisation’s increased - don’t know where he got that intel from.

Franco thanks for the info and noting how much you have changed your road manners without tech assisting you.


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[russellw]

Originally Posted by prydey

My view is, the road toll is largely trending down. Yes, there will be spikes etc but over the long term it is trending down. Even with the rising population over the years and many more people on the road the road toll generally still tends to trend down over time.

I suppose your view must be fact but of course it isn't that simple. Yes, over the long term the road toll per capita (the only meaningful statistic) had been dropping from a peak of 30.3 in 1970; 22.2 in 1980; 13.6 in 1990; 9.57 in 2000; 6.2 in 2010 and 4.2 in 2020 but it has since increased by 2.5%, 4.9% and 3.5% in the three years since and perhaps more importantly the number of serious injuries per capita has been rising steadily since the mid 1980's and has only started to fall again the last 5 years or so.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by russellw

I suppose your view must be fact but of course it isn't that simple. Yes, over the long term the road toll per capita (the only meaningful statistic) had been dropping from a peak of 30.3 in 1970; 22.2 in 1980; 13.6 in 1990; 9.57 in 2000; 6.2 in 2010 and 4.2 in 2020 but it has since increased by 2.5%, 4.9% and 3.5% in the three years since and perhaps more importantly the number of serious injuries per capita has been rising steadily since the mid 1980's and has only started to fall again the last 5 years or so.

My guess is as cars become safer less people die in accidents but the trade off is they survive but come out with serious injuries as the trade-off.

The rise since 2020 is interesting, people are more ruthless than ever on Melbourne's roads, there's an attitude change in the air, people are more stressed out and willing to go off the deep end with the slightest push.

I reckon it's to do with the economy and stagnant wage growth, it's struggle street out there and people are one bad day away from ending up on the street.

The last month I've been involved in a road rage incident (that wasn't my fault) and a blue with a neighbouring business over rubbish dumping allegations and the latter involved one party carrying edged weapons.

[Sprintey]

Is the neighbouring business an edged weapon manufacturer?

Thank you for detailing the nature of the speeding fines and process too, Franco.

Russellw, thank you for the stats, to clarify, does "..4.2 in 2020 but it has since increased by 2.5%, 4.9% and 3.5%..." mean

2021 4.2 x 1.025
2022 that number by 1.049
2023 that next number by 1.035

or

2021 4.2+2.5 = 6.7
2022 4.2+4.9 = 9.1
2023 4.2+3.5 = 7.7

or something different like a compounding % of the 4.2?

And

Why is the road toll increasing if we are safer than ever?

And

If these systems are AOK, why is ANCAP acting the way that it is, subject of this thread?

[Cav]

It was diffrent back in my day.

Cross ply tyres

No seat belts

No speed limits on open roads

Bench seats

Three on a tree

Plus we dove cars at speed when drunk.

Drunk drivers were the leading cause of accidents.

Now it is sober drivers the major cause of accidents

Sorry, they are called crashes now.

Let's get those sober drivers off the roads and let drunk drivers sort out any problems with hoons, road surfaces, speed limits and poor signing.

[randel]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

.......

The rise since 2020 is interesting, people are more ruthless than ever on Melbourne's roads, there's an attitude change in the air, people are more stressed out and willing to go off the deep end with the slightest push.

I reckon it's to do with the economy and stagnant wage growth, it's struggle street out there and people are one bad day away from ending up on the street.
....

nah mate - its the covid vax - everyone has been on edge since

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The last month I've been involved in a road rage incident (that wasn't my fault) and a blue with a neighbouring business over rubbish dumping allegations and the latter involved one party carrying edged weapons.

Talk about road rage and workplace relations - guy lost his leg and got bashed with a hammer - by a workmate!!!:

https://www.news.com.au/national/wes...dbf6c4dc106065

Hows the managers name - "Horse"

[whynot]

I have spent the last day or so trolling through research into Lane Keep Assist (LKA). (Unfortunately, I have lost access to my university’s library database, and so I am stuck with open text articles via Google Scholar.)

I must admit that the more I read the literature the more I am left with a sinking feeling that ANCAP was too far ahead of the technology in mandating that ADAS is forced default-on at every vehicle start. We are going to see a few million cars sold in Australia the next couple years. With a sizable percentage fitted with ADAS systems that are going to seriously annoy its drivers.

Lane Keep Assist (LKA), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Blind Spot Detection (BSD), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB), Electronic Stability Control (ESC) and the rest of the alphabet soup of acronyms fall under the umbrella term of Advanced Driver Assist Systems (ADAS).

Of the literature that I have read through, most research has concentrated on Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) / Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB) as one subgroup and Lane Keep Assist (LKA) / Lane Departure Warning (LDW) as the other subgroup of ADAS.

All the literature that I read acknowledged that Autonomous Emergency Braking and Lane Keep Assist was prone to erroneous misfires and on occasion failed to operate when presented with the correct triggers. Further, the literature also acknowledged these issues were distracting to the driver and resulted in a general loss of confidence in the vehicle. That said, international journals stated that of the driver assist technologies Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) was the most accepted assist system by drivers and contributed most to reduction in accidents.

Australian research by Monash, “The Potential Benefits of Lane Keep Assist Systems in Australian Light Vehicles, REPORT NO. 365”, stated “… if all light passenger vehicles in vehicles in Australia were fitted with AEB, the estimated reduction in total injuries would be 10% for fatalities and serious injuries and 9% for minor injuries…”

In a separate publication by the same authors, “The Potential Benefits of Autonomous Emergency Braking Systems in Australia, REPORT NO. 339”, it was stated “ … statistically significant 16% reduction in the risk of involvement in all casualty crashes of these types and a 22% reduction estimated for fatal and serious injury crashes was associated with LKA fitment to Australian light vehicle was estimated…”

However, these conclusions by Monash Research was challenged in this report; “Quantifying the Lost Safety Benefits of ADAS Technologies Due to Inadequate Supporting Road Infrastructure”, Special Issue Current and Future Issues in Transportation Safety and Sustainability, 2022. If you want to dig out a copy (it is open source) the title is https://doi.org/10.3390/su14042234

For example, the authors of this study noted: “For example, AEB is unlikely to be effective on gravel or unsealed roads and lane keep assist technologies are unlikely to function at all on roads that have poor or no delineation. Therefore, the ability of these technologies to perform optimally will most likely be compromised in locations where supportive road infrastructure is absent … Research that quantifies the predicted benefits of AEB and LKA often fail to acknowledge assumptions made about roads on which cars fitted with these technologies will be driven … Studies that have previously estimated the benefits of advanced driver assist technologies have been conducted on the basis that road conditions are always adequate to support the technologies. The assumption that the entire road network is fully supportive of systems such as AEB, LKA and ISA, however, is severely flawed…”

“ … Across the three states, close to 50% of LKA-sensitive crashes have historically occurred on arterial, and sub-arterial (or equivalent roads), where delineation was found to be less than adequate, potentially compromising the ability of LKA function, once all vehicles are fitted with the technology. Based on the LKA-sensitive crashes in the historical crash data, up to 138 fatalities and 142 serious injuries may not be avoided annually across the three Australian states based on lack of delineation availability …”

A key word in all of the reports mentioned above is that the crash “ … is sensitive …” to AEB, LKA, or both. It does not say that AEB or LKA will prevent the accident. It just says that AEB and/or LKA may assist in reducing the accident severity, with an unknown reduction if fatal or serious injuries.

So now we have this interesting circular argument. A poor road surface and/or lack of marked lines is considered to contribute to an accident. So, the bureaucrats then suggest mandatory implementation of AEB and LKA to prevent accidents that nether system can mitigate (due to poor road surface).

Instead of dollars being spent on LKA, it makes be wonder why the government doesn't paint more white lines on the road. At the very least clean up the white lines they have painted. Seems like a simple way to reduce the road toll.

Still, there is one bottom line estimate for LKA Australian conditions. It was estimated that every vehicle had LKA then up to 138 fatalities and 142 serious injuries (50%) may be avoided in Vic, SA, and Qld. And it was estimated 50% 138 fatalities and 142 serious injuries will not be avoided because there are no lines on the road for LKA to detect.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by simon varley

I don't know what those reviewers were on, but right now, AFAIK, not a single car on the road will actually slam the brakes on itself.

Your kidding right??? What do you think AEB is???

And if that wasn't enough, I drove a car that can do that as standard. And it did slam the brakes on on me in a 110km/h zone unexpectedly and unnecessarily and almost caused a 3 car accident.

I then pulled over and had to go through the manual to work out how to turn it off.

[mad2]

Originally Posted by whynot

Instead of dollars being spent on LKA, it makes be wonder why the government doesn't paint more white lines on the road. At the very least clean up the white lines they have painted. Seems like a simple way to reduce the road toll.

you also have to have a road/s in good repair ....... not signs saying "rough surface" - which we have had for years [without signs] ..... and getting worse.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by whynot

Australian research by Monash,

However, these conclusions by Monash Research was challenged in this report; “[I]Quantifying the Lost Safety Benefits of ADAS Technologies Due to Inadequa

As soon as you see 'Australian research by Monash' - throw it in the bin because they're always pushing 'studies' that support what ever the government of the day is trying to force on you.

If the government decided that we were all to shove pinecones up our asses, Monash would come out with a study extolling the virtues of shoving pinecones up your ***.

Pack of flogs, I've never once seen them do something against the government agenda and the state government is always pushing extra funding to them, funny how that works.

Reminds me when my last employer asked me to audit my own sales team and why we came back looking like children of the corn who could do no wrong.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by whynot

Instead of dollars being spent on LKA, it makes be wonder why the government doesn't paint more white lines on the road. At the very least clean up the white lines they have painted. Seems like a simple way to reduce the road toll.

because the government has to spend money to fix the roads, rather than forcing us to spend money on cars with dubious tech.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Cav

It was diffrent back in my day.

Cross ply tyres

No seat belts

No speed limits on open roads

Bench seats

Three on a tree

Plus we dove cars at speed when drunk.

Drunk drivers were the leading cause of accidents.

Now it is sober drivers the major cause of accidents

Sorry, they are called crashes now.

Let's get those sober drivers off the roads and let drunk drivers sort out any problems with hoons, road surfaces, speed limits and poor signing.

And these days you can't say 'shark attack' you have to say shark 'bite'.

Sometimes with a 1+ tonne animal moving at 20 kts it's way more than a bite.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by whynot

I have spent the last day or so trolling through research into Lane Keep Assist (LKA). (Unfortunately, I have lost access to my university’s library database, and so I am stuck with open text articles via Google Scholar.)

I must admit that the more I read the literature the more I am left with a sinking feeling that ANCAP was too far ahead of the technology in mandating that ADAS is forced default-on at every vehicle start. We are going to see a few million cars sold in Australia the next couple years. With a sizable percentage fitted with ADAS systems that are going to seriously annoy its drivers.

Lane Keep Assist (LKA), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Blind Spot Detection (BSD), Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB), Electronic Stability Control (ESC) and the rest of the alphabet soup of acronyms fall under the umbrella term of Advanced Driver Assist Systems (ADAS).

Of the literature that I have read through, most research has concentrated on Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) / Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB) as one subgroup and Lane Keep Assist (LKA) / Lane Departure Warning (LDW) as the other subgroup of ADAS.

All the literature that I read acknowledged that Autonomous Emergency Braking and Lane Keep Assist was prone to erroneous misfires and on occasion failed to operate when presented with the correct triggers. Further, the literature also acknowledged these issues were distracting to the driver and resulted in a general loss of confidence in the vehicle. That said, international journals stated that of the driver assist technologies Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) was the most accepted assist system by drivers and contributed most to reduction in accidents.

Australian research by Monash, “The Potential Benefits of Lane Keep Assist Systems in Australian Light Vehicles, REPORT NO. 365”, stated “… if all light passenger vehicles in vehicles in Australia were fitted with AEB, the estimated reduction in total injuries would be 10% for fatalities and serious injuries and 9% for minor injuries…”

In a separate publication by the same authors, “The Potential Benefits of Autonomous Emergency Braking Systems in Australia, REPORT NO. 339”, it was stated “ … statistically significant 16% reduction in the risk of involvement in all casualty crashes of these types and a 22% reduction estimated for fatal and serious injury crashes was associated with LKA fitment to Australian light vehicle was estimated…”

However, these conclusions by Monash Research was challenged in this report; “Quantifying the Lost Safety Benefits of ADAS Technologies Due to Inadequate Supporting Road Infrastructure”, Special Issue Current and Future Issues in Transportation Safety and Sustainability, 2022. If you want to dig out a copy (it is open source) the title is https://doi.org/10.3390/su14042234

For example, the authors of this study noted: “For example, AEB is unlikely to be effective on gravel or unsealed roads and lane keep assist technologies are unlikely to function at all on roads that have poor or no delineation. Therefore, the ability of these technologies to perform optimally will most likely be compromised in locations where supportive road infrastructure is absent … Research that quantifies the predicted benefits of AEB and LKA often fail to acknowledge assumptions made about roads on which cars fitted with these technologies will be driven … Studies that have previously estimated the benefits of advanced driver assist technologies have been conducted on the basis that road conditions are always adequate to support the technologies. The assumption that the entire road network is fully supportive of systems such as AEB, LKA and ISA, however, is severely flawed…”

“ … Across the three states, close to 50% of LKA-sensitive crashes have historically occurred on arterial, and sub-arterial (or equivalent roads), where delineation was found to be less than adequate, potentially compromising the ability of LKA function, once all vehicles are fitted with the technology. Based on the LKA-sensitive crashes in the historical crash data, up to 138 fatalities and 142 serious injuries may not be avoided annually across the three Australian states based on lack of delineation availability …”

A key word in all of the reports mentioned above is that the crash “ … is sensitive …” to AEB, LKA, or both. It does not say that AEB or LKA will prevent the accident. It just says that AEB and/or LKA may assist in reducing the accident severity, with an unknown reduction if fatal or serious injuries.

So now we have this interesting circular argument. A poor road surface and/or lack of marked lines is considered to contribute to an accident. So, the bureaucrats then suggest mandatory implementation of AEB and LKA to prevent accidents that nether system can mitigate (due to poor road surface).

Instead of dollars being spent on LKA, it makes be wonder why the government doesn't paint more white lines on the road. At the very least clean up the white lines they have painted. Seems like a simple way to reduce the road toll.

Still, there is one bottom line estimate for LKA Australian conditions. It was estimated that every vehicle had LKA then up to 138 fatalities and 142 serious injuries (50%) may be avoided in Vic, SA, and Qld. And it was estimated 50% 138 fatalities and 142 serious injuries will not be avoided because there are no lines on the road for LKA to detect.

Great post, good on you for going through the research.

[Top_Ghia]

My 5 years as a service advisor in a multi franchise dealer was very interesting.
My advice would be to never buy the first of an all new model.
One particular new model had the habit of jamming the brakes on while cruising at 100km/h for no apparent reason. This wasn’t from one particular car or customer but a common complaint a few years back. You NEVER get the full story from any manufacturer, but these systems received updates and the issue just seemed to fade away.

I also had a couple of customers who claimed lane keep systems directly resulted in collisions. One customer claimed her car suddenly steered into roadside barriers.

There is no doubt to me that not all these systems are created equal. Some brand obviously spend the time on real world testing and nail the calibration. Others rush these systems to market before they are ready.

It’s also obvious these systems are improving. The calibrations are improving. The operation of the systems is improving.
However I don’t agree with the increasing implementation of more and more systems.
They are now a distraction and have gone too far. I believe some of these systems will cause fatalities as drivers are looking at the dash wondering what that beep was for, instead of concentrating on what is going on around them.
It’s now the boy that cried wolf.

The latest cars are by far the worst as far as distraction goes. They beep every time there is a change of speed limit. They beep if you exceed the speed limit by 2km/h. They beep if you drive over a line. They beep, they beep, they beep.

I’m now a car salesman. The most common question on a test drive is now “what was that beep for?”

I never “set up” the car and turn these systems off for a test drive. I do my best to answer questions about these systems and be as honest as I can. I’d rather not sell a car than have someone unhappy with their purchase. If someone doesn’t buy a car from me because of a feature I have explained, then I have done my job. I live in fear a customer will not love their new car.
The biggest reason for complaints with new car purchases now is definitely ADAS.
Manufacturers are listening and often updates will come in the form of buttons or settings to turn these systems off.

There are some cars I simply wouldn’t buy because of the over implementation or over sensitivity of these systems.

I’m not against technology and absolutely love when new models are released. But the term “drivers car” seems to have disappeared from the market.

I believe there should be an awareness campaign about exactly what ANCAP is, what they do, and how they are funded. They are not a regulatory body. They don’t make legislation. I believe they keep adding more and more systems to their “mandatory” lists to try and stay relevant and keep the government funding pouring in.

[FTE217]

Brilliant and real world informed post Top !
Agree.


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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

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I also had a couple of customers who claimed lane keep systems directly resulted in collisions. One customer claimed her car suddenly steered into roadside barriers.

Isuzu by any chance? This happened to a friend with some potholes and road works in a new housing estate here, it steered it into the barrier in the middle of the road and rolled it over. We had to tip his car back on its wheels with a semi.

The guy doesn't drink and he's a stale old man so I seriously doubt it was him doing it.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

My 5 years as a service advisor in a multi franchise dealer was very interesting.
My advice would be to never buy the first of an all new model.
One particular new model had the habit of jamming the brakes on while cruising at 100km/h for no apparent reason. This wasn’t from one particular car or customer but a common complaint a few years back. You NEVER get the full story from any manufacturer, but these systems received updates and the issue just seemed to fade away.

I also had a couple of customers who claimed lane keep systems directly resulted in collisions. One customer claimed her car suddenly steered into roadside barriers.

There is no doubt to me that not all these systems are created equal. Some brand obviously spend the time on real world testing and nail the calibration. Others rush these systems to market before they are ready.

It’s also obvious these systems are improving. The calibrations are improving. The operation of the systems is improving.
However I don’t agree with the increasing implementation of more and more systems.
They are now a distraction and have gone too far. I believe some of these systems will cause fatalities as drivers are looking at the dash wondering what that beep was for, instead of concentrating on what is going on around them.
It’s now the boy that cried wolf.

The latest cars are by far the worst as far as distraction goes. They beep every time there is a change of speed limit. They beep if you exceed the speed limit by 2km/h. They beep if you drive over a line. They beep, they beep, they beep.

I’m now a car salesman. The most common question on a test drive is now “what was that beep for?”

I never “set up” the car and turn these systems off for a test drive. I do my best to answer questions about these systems and be as honest as I can. I’d rather not sell a car than have someone unhappy with their purchase. If someone doesn’t buy a car from me because of a feature I have explained, then I have done my job. I live in fear a customer will not love their new car.
The biggest reason for complaints with new car purchases now is definitely ADAS.
Manufacturers are listening and often updates will come in the form of buttons or settings to turn these systems off.

There are some cars I simply wouldn’t buy because of the over implementation or over sensitivity of these systems.

I’m not against technology and absolutely love when new models are released. But the term “drivers car” seems to have disappeared from the market.

I believe there should be an awareness campaign about exactly what ANCAP is, what they do, and how they are funded. They are not a regulatory body. They don’t make legislation. I believe they keep adding more and more systems to their “mandatory” lists to try and stay relevant and keep the government funding pouring in.

Great post, hope we get to meet someone like you in our new car buying quest.

[FTE217]

I’m currently travelling Tas in current model Corolla hybrid.
Got to say impressed by its suspension feels so sure footed and absorbs the bumps with aplomb.
The LKA is an utter joke for the general average driver imo.
I could see my wife totally misread what to do.
Sure you feel the wheel shudder but it doesn’t pull you back in line per se it actually feels it’s steering you even more off centre.
It’s very deceiving and I can see it causing accidents or going off the road more than staying on the road as said talking about the average driver.


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[lra]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

They are now a distraction and have gone too far. I believe some of these systems will cause fatalities as drivers are looking at the dash wondering what that beep was for, instead of concentrating on what is going on around them.

I’m now a car salesman. The most common question on a test drive is now “what was that beep for?”

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I have 3 older cars, one of them a VZ which I bought private sale.
On the trip home, it started beeping on the freeway, and I am looking for red dash lights and, and temp gauge to work out what, slowing down, and generally thinking that I had bought a dud.
Spotted an image of a tree and park table ....... I had been driving for 2 hours.
Certainly alerted and alarmed me causing a short loss of concentration, and now just annoys me.
New car, beeps and bongs and chimes and flashing lights? No thanks.

[Crazy Dazz]

One of our cars, being American, has a lot of these features. (Despite being several years old, relatively cheap, and a basic trim.) Have to say that I do like the heated seats as they focus the warmth right where my back hurts.

My only gripe with these safety features, is how badly some of them work.
The lane-keeping at times works well, but at other times not. What's really annoying is that when you have a lane that splits, with the lane both exiting and continuing, it will try to following the right-hand continuing line, not the exiting one.
It has the emerging braking. I tested it on those tall plastic bollards, and it didn't work. Yet it will randomly slam the brakes on (momentarily) on a completely clear road.

[Hulsty]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Isuzu by any chance? This happened to a friend with some potholes and road works in a new housing estate here, it steered it into the barrier in the middle of the road and rolled it over. We had to tip his car back on its wheels with a semi.

The guy doesn't drink and he's a stale old man so I seriously doubt it was him doing it.

Happened to me in a new Dmax, near home the road goes from 3 lanes to 2 and the lane markings are faded, car threw a hissy and quite firmly steered me towards cars. If you werent holding on with two hands/firm grip it would have easily caught you out. This was when they were first released, havnet driven one since.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Happened to me in a new Dmax, near home the road goes from 3 lanes to 2 and the lane markings are faded, car threw a hissy and quite firmly steered me towards cars. If you werent holding on with two hands/firm grip it would have easily caught you out. This was when they were first released, havnet driven one since.

All this shit causes dramas on regional roads with no or sketchy markings, we were playing with the self driving features of mates Volvo when we went to collect my ACCO.

It steered the car into the middle of the road onto an approach to a corner.

I'm not convinced with these 'features', **** modern cars and their 'self driving', if they're so confident in these systems, then why do we still have steering wheels and pedals? Why cant I sit in the driver seat, face the back and sink ****?

They can't even get AI powered cars to race around a closed circuit in the same direction properly, let alone normal cars drive themselves out in the streets.