Fines for running AMBER lights. - Page 3

fmc351 · 16-10-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

the term 'if it is safe to do so' , i feel does not only refer to you. if i have someone up my clacker and a light goes amber that i could probably stop at with reasonably heavy braking, there's a good chance his bonnet would end up in my boot. yes, obviously he would've been driving illegally eg. tailgating and not allowing himself safe travelling distance but thats something i can't control, therefore the 'safe' thing for me to do would be to continue on through.

having someone's bonnet in my boot but also knowing that i was in the right by stopping does not get my car fixed.

No, but in some instances it may save a life. Like a car turning right from the opposite side of the intersection, a car that had been waiting in the intersection for half the light cycle.

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Originally Posted by prydey

... it is critical to know whats behind you as well as in front of you, before hitting the brakes.

and as flappist has pointed out with a few of many examples, rear enders are never 100% clear cut.

Youre right. the truck behind, the car behind, vehicles in the intersection are all factors of 'if safe to do so'. If you drove in a manner that expected a green to turn amber, then the car behind should already be aware youre not going to plant your foot if it does, that is approach at say 50-55, not 60.

Rear enders may not be clear, but in general the rear vehicle is held to be at fault. Try proving, absent an independent witness, that the front vehicle rolled back on you if they simply deny it.

In the situation you described, the rear car WILL be at fault, no question.

flappist · 16-10-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by me

1) The car if front is reversing.
2) The car in front is unregistered.
3) You were stationary and were hit from behind pushing you into the car in front.
4) The car in front is pulling out of a park/driveway.
5) The car in front is entering a LAR illegally

Need any more??????

In that like everyone else in this thread I am neither a traffic cop, solicitor nor magistrate, rather than guess and make assumptions I actually asked the traffic cop sitting next to me at the time for a couple of examples where it was not clear cut.

He does this stuff for a living and has done so for over twenty years so I tend to believe he may have some idea what he is talking about.

prydey · 16-10-2008, 07:31 PM

just to clear things up, i always stop if i think it is safe and i think i can stop in time. re reading some of my comments it started to sound like i was promoting running a red (same fine to a cop).

i was merely pointing out that you have to be aware of all surrounding vehicles and conditions, not just whether or not you have sufficient room to stop.

driving attitudes, esp south australia (yes i live here) leave a lot to be desired and are a major cause of accidents. i was young (er) once too. got my licence, got a car and then proceeded to do some pretty silly things on the road when i look back at it. now i realise, a few years on what my old man was on about when he used to try to educate me about driving on the roads. of course i was of an age where i already knew it all and was a better driver than d.johnson.

i for one wish more time was spent policing at least 80% of road rules instead of just concentrating on speed.

most driving instructors will tell you to 'cover' the brake when heading toward an intersection. when the light turns orange you should already have your foot ready to press the brake. luckily a quick browse back through the thread reveals that it does seem to be a minority that consider it ok to run a orange.

MeLLy · 16-10-2008, 09:18 PM

I figured as much that IS common knowledge that is what the amber is supposed to be used for, if u cant stop safetly then u can go through...but for the people that did not know this, it will mean that if a certain set of traffic lights u know well has an unusally long amber light the freak in front of u will break hard for it, if theyve been stung b4 or if they are extra caucious. Your meant to start slowing down when u see the amber not speed up which is what frustrates The Law lol
Its another case of a fine that is ur luck whether u get stung or not, everybody does it....which is why most ppl kinda thought it was okay.
Also if u do get fined and u think it was unfair or u have a good reason for going through or u figure u had ample time then do take it to court, and people can sit and speculate on how much that stuff costs etc and ur chances of winning etc, i had a lawyer tell me i wouldnt win a lawyer....in one of these cases, i went to court told the judge what happened, i got the fine dissmissed and all i had to pay was 75 bucks... so not even full court costs....so id say u have a 50/50 shot....depends on the judge and what u say....but ive been to court a few times with different judges and come out a winner....so play ur cards right or dont get caught doing it? lol

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Originally Posted by XR06T

hehehe i thought everyone knew that!

as for slowing down (preparing to stop) for a green, you must be joking. you should be alert enough to know when a light is going to go amber.

LOL those ppl are soo annoying when they do that

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Originally Posted by xr8-200

haha. So your saying there is an exemption from speed limits when an amber light is flashing.

Hmmm LOL we have them in SA to and they r a considerable amount of space from the intersection its supposed to signal u to slow down because theres an intersection which should give u decent breaking time if the light turns amber/red....

SM1DY · 16-10-2008, 09:27 PM

I haven't been personally fined for this, but i have been in the car when a friend has been snatched for it. From what I saw, the conclusion I have come to is that your totally reliant on the mood of the officer that catches you, whether your a smart or not.

Penelope Pitstop · 16-10-2008, 10:13 PM

Not worth it. :evil3:

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

1) The car if front is reversing.
2) The car in front is unregistered.
3) You were stationary and were hit from behind pushing you into the car in front.
4) The car in front is pulling out of a park/driveway.
5) The car in front is entering a LAR illegally

Need any more??????

True some of these will get you off the hook or result in a decision of shared responsibility.

Point 3 is very grey, if the front car can prove that you were too close when you stopped, it is your fault, the cops will look at each case. Stop 50cm from their bumper and no foot on the brake and you are at fault, for example. I would not want to rely on the unregistered car as my defence, I have seen someone clip a trail bike at an intersection and they still got a fine, the trail bike got stung too.

More to the point though, for the value of discussion there are very few of those points that are likely to occur in the running a amber scenario.

That is why I only mentioned the person changes lanes and then jumps on the brakes without time to adjust distance, it is the only one that I can think of that would save you in this scenario.

Buddy 1 · 17-10-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Absolutely, they are exceptional circumstances that the fault will be put on the front vehicle and this would only happen once in a blue moon. The only one I can think of is if a car changes lanes in front of another and then slams on the brakes without giving the rear car a chance to adjust distance. Wet roads, oil, unexpected stop etc are not reasons, the car behind was too close. Before anyone argues with this statement, ring your local police and ask their opinion, I know what they will say

You have a warped perception of what is normal, I drive professionally every day at work and I have to disagree, most slow down and stop if it safe to do so. A considerable number do not granted, but they are often the ones I am assisting from their wrecked cars.

Wrong, the car that is following too close or thinks they can predict that the other car is going to break the law is causing the accident. Everyone has the right to drive with respect to the road laws without being bullied by others that have no desire to drive lawfully.

Because it allows the intersection to clear safely, before the other direction begins to proceed on the green safely. I guess you line up through intersections in heavy traffic too.

Yes there is, it is there to deal with morons that run the amber and don't clear the intersection before it is red. If we didn't have people that ran late amber lights, we would not need this.

Any bunching up that does not allow a safe stopping distance is unsafe driving; nothing more needs to be said on this.

Yes it does because smarter people than you wrote these laws that were designed to allow maximum safety at intersections. By your statements it seems you are suggesting we just have green and red light, amber not needed because you pay no attention to it. We had better double the number of emergency vehicles because it will be carnage out there if we do.

Refer to my previous point above, most drivers are not like you, thankfully because I would be very busy at work if they were.

It still does, study time for you!

I never mentioned cutting off a semi and then braking hard, I was referring to a truck that chooses to follow too close. Try reading what is written rather than modifying it to something else. No I do not cut trucks off and brake, that would be suicide. Yes I do know how long it takes for them to stop; after all I do have a HR license.

Again, why are we discussing this, it is the law, always have and always will. Why do we have certain people here that always think they can add their own interpretation to the law and expect others to agree?

It is very simple, it is the law, abide by it and stop if it is safe to do so, if not proceed with caution. I will give you a hint though, if you have to accelerate to get through, it was safe to stop. If you can't understand this do us all a favour and hand in your license and go back to the push bike until you grow up. If you think that your own interpretations or beliefs on what is safe on which laws to abide by count, don't ride the push bike either.

Before anyone accuses me of being a keyboard warrior hiding behind the security of the computer, here is who I am. My name is Lynton and I am 37 years old with 20 years driving experience and a crash history of 2, last was 15 years ago. I am an Advanced Care Paramedic and as such I have an obligation under my work Code of Conduct to be an advocate of the promotion of public health and safety, an obligation I take very seriously. If anyone has a problem with who I am or what I am about, let me know.

Cheers

Lynton

Nothing I can do to make you a Smarter person I am sorry.

And I have been driving for 30 years or so & never had an accident at traffic lights with the way I Drive on Amber (like most others).

AMBER is NOT a stop LIGHT!

Are you a Truck Driver as well?

If so I need not say anymore as is a Huge list of things Truck drivers do WRONGLY!

Buddy 1 · 17-10-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

luckily a quick browse back through the thread reveals that it does seem to be a minority that consider it ok to run a orange.

I think Most Drivers will drive through on an Amber as I see this everyday & it is that which makes the people who stop as soon as the light turns amber Dangerous Drivers because they are the Minority & most do not expect them to do this.

If most Drivers stopped on Amber then that would be the Norm & we would all expect it. (It is not).

I have been driving for 30 years & only find a very small % of people stop when the light turns to Amber.

I also do not advise to speed up to go through on Amber, but to maintain the speed of the traffic (say 40) & follow them through while being ready to brake if you see the light turn Red or vehicles stop in front of you.

As I have said the key is a smooth traffic flow & all people being like minded & not the odd turkey doing something unexpected.

Believe it or not I am a very safe Driver & also do have a fair bit of skill when needed though have no way of proving this nor do I care what others think of me anyway however I will stand up for what I think is right !

4Vman · 17-10-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddy 1

Nothing I can do to make you a Smarter person I am sorry.

And I have been driving for 30 years or so & never had an accident at traffic lights with the way I Drive on Amber (like most others).

AMBER is NOT a stop LIGHT!

Are you a Truck Driver as well?

If so I need not say anymore as is a Huge list of things Truck drivers do WRONGLY!

Bit rough i think, Lynton has first hand experience with this stuff, way beyond what most of us have, i think he made some excellent valid points... maybe you're missing the point?

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 08:09 AM

Thought I made it pretty clear, I am not a truck driver, but I do have a HR license from my days in Fire and Rescue.

Lets see if I can clear this up a little before I give up.

I am not an advocate of jump on the brakes as soon as I see an amber. I am an advocate of stop if safe on amber. I am certainly not an advocate of jump on the gas to get through amber like some here have stated they are. But my most hated one is the get close to the car in front and get on the gas to follow through amber, which has been mentioned here, plain dangerous. The other night I went to an accident from this sort of behaviour, the 19 year old behind thought the front car would go through, no one seriously hurt thankfully.

I do feel strongly on this, maybe at times my responses have been a bit short and the tone has been a bit rough, for that I appologise. It is not my aim to insult people, and my providing my details was not "I am better than You", it was to show that I am not a 15 year old keyboard warrior with credentials to back up my statements. I do feel I have an obligation to make the public aware of the true implications of seemingly simple decisions of "on the gas or brake?". I am sure many of you would be similarly compelled if you had to sleep at night with the visions in you head of the results of poor decisions. Maybe I just really need a holiday.

maccamom · 17-10-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Are you for real, or did you make this up after watching LA Law? If this is true you got lucky! Cops don't need to proove anything when issuing a traffic fine. Traffic offences are not like criminal or civil proceedings were a proof of guilt is required. The offence being witnessed by the cop is the proof.

Sounds like you just got a dumb cop.

Deadly serious.

Police have an absolute evidentiary burden, they are not judge, jury and executioner. That is why when you receive a fine you have the option of appeal.

There are two ways you can have an offence proven.

1. You pay the fine - an admission of liability
2. You are found guilty of the offence in court - liability imposed by court

This is no different for any alleged offence be it speeding, assault or something more serious. Traffic offences are treated no differently to any other area of law. Police issue a fine in reasonable belief that an offence has been committed, you are not guilty until you pay the fine and admit liability or the court imposes the liability to pay. Police witnessing a burnout for example have reasonable belief to issue the fine based on what they have observed, it's not absolute proof. The only time you are guilty of the burnout and it goes on you record is when the fine is paid or you take the matter to court and lose.

The cop I had was no doubt one that wanted to avoid another petty court appearance and the paperwork it entails. He wasn't dumb at all, I think it was a smart move for both parties.

The amount of people that pay fines they dispute is really interesting, I know often it's the inconvenience and the expenses of solicitors etc. but think about it this way, by paying the fine you are admitting the offence occurred...

Buddy 1 · 17-10-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Bit rough i think, Lynton has first hand experience with this stuff, way beyond what most of us have, i think he made some excellent valid points... maybe you're missing the point?

Firstly I would like to say I respect the Fantastic job he & Others like him do.

However that does not make him any more experianced a driver than me or you or whoever.

It would however make him biased towards people stopping on Amber as he would see what can happen as a result of people running red lights & maybe late amber runners as well.

And I do understand his feelings on this however again it does not mean people are safer if they stop as soon as they see an Amber light & in fact am sure he would have been called to cases of someone running up the back of an amber light stopper as well & that is my point. (It is not safer).

And my Comment about how smart or otherwise he may be is in relation to some of his comments in reply to what I said as half of them made no sense to me & I could not be bothered going through them one by one.

I found some of his comments towards me a bit rough as well however nobody here will stand up for me (not that I care).

I have found that we have Plenty of Thick people in the World & this Forum is by no means an exception to that observation so I never expect a high level of Intelligent Chat lol

prydey · 17-10-2008, 08:57 AM

i get the impression that some people think the light stays orange for an eternity. if you are nearing an intersection and the light turns orange, by the time you react, hit the brakes and bring the car to a stop the light wil be well and truly red.

no one on here is saying that you should end up sitting stationary at an intersection whilst the light is still orange. if you continue on though once it changes orange, there is a good chance it will be red before you exit the intersection, which is a fair indication that you could possibly have stopped in time.

going on some comments it seems no contact is made with the brake pedal until the light is actually red. no wonder there is so much carnage on the roads.

4Vman · 17-10-2008, 09:13 AM

All it takes is for one person to be traveling through the intersection, especially a large intersection when the light actually turns red and another coming from the intersecting road in the slip lane obscured by a truck to take off in anticipation of the green or carrying momentum as the light goes green and you've got a massive accident. The other is people waiting to turn right and waiting for oncoming traffic to stop so they can get through the intersection, Ive seen it twice..
Ive got to the point now where as i approach intersections i look both ways at the intersecting roads even when its green to make sure no one's running the red..

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I found some of his comments towards me a bit rough as well however nobody here will stand up for me (not that I care).

Perhaps a bit rough as I have said, so I will stand up for you, so appologies to you. Hard not to get passionate about something that you have to re live the results of in nightmares. Like I said, need that holiday.

As for the driver skill comment, I will say this. The "average" paramedic is easily a much better driver than the "average" road user, we have to be. The average road user does not drive as many km's in 1 month as I do in 1 week, additionally a paramedic has to have skills to cope with conditions the average road user can not. But that is a sideline issue.

Back on topic but still discussing amber lights. During the emergency vehicle driver training, on an assessment if you drove through an amber light and the lights turned red before you cleared the intersection, it was an instant fail, not a bad rule. Maybe that is something that others could consider for use in their own daily driving, it would make my job easier, please!!!!

[QUOTE 4VMAN]All it takes is for one person to be traveling through the intersection, especially a large intersection when the light actually turns red and another coming from the intersecting road in the slip lane obscured by a truck to take off in anticipation of the green or carrying momentum as the light goes green and you've got a massive accident. The other is people waiting to turn right and waiting for oncoming traffic to stop so they can get through the intersection, Ive seen it twice..[/QUOTE]

Absolutely

I have seen it heaps of times and seen some really nasty results. To give an indication how dangerous late amber running is, when I am travelling in an ambulance under lights and siren, I still slow at amber lights and ensure all traffic has stopped before I go through. I can guarantee you all that I am way more visible than any car, truck, bus etc, but it is still dangerous. In fact I nearly got cleaned up once, I was going through a new green light, I was under lights and siren but I was still using caution. The road was a multi lane and a truck had slowed and stopped on the amber now red. Just before it was red a car on the other side of the truck, blind to me and I was blind to the car, sped through the amber and missed the front of the ambulance by not a lot. Even on a green, you should use caution through any intersection as you do not know for sure what is happening, speed past a truck and that fire truck is a hard thing to hit. Hope that makes sense.

Buddy 1 · 17-10-2008, 09:53 AM

Perhaps a bit rough as I have said, so I will stand up for you, so appologies to you. Hard not to get passionate about something that you have to re live the results of in nightmares. Like I said, need that holiday.

Thank you & yes if I did what you do which I could not cope with so could not do in the first place I would think a Holiday or 2 would be rather Welcome

As for the driver skill comment, I will say this. The "average" paramedic is easily a much better driver than the "average" road user, we have to be. The average road user does not drive as many km's in 1 month as I do in 1 week, additionally a paramedic has to have skills to cope with conditions the average road user can not. But that is a sideline issue.

Totally Agree however would be many non Emergancy Drivers out there who also do lots of Driving or have Done over many years though you did say the Average Driver & as for the Type of Driving yes it is a lot harder to be an Emergancy Driver.

Back on topic but still discussing amber lights. During the emergency vehicle driver training, on an assessment if you drove through an amber light and the lights turned red before you cleared the intersection, it was an instant fail, not a bad rule. Maybe that is something that others could consider for use in their own daily driving, it would make my job easier, please!!!!

I agree again in regards to running an Amber light about to go Red however if you are Watching the Sequence of the Lights you would almost know it is to late at times even if it is still Amber & in that case I will stop although twice in 30 years I have had the Light turn red just before I was clear of the Intersection (looking back in the mirror).

In Conclusion I do not advocate running late Amber lights however also do not agree with stopping early or as soon as the light turns Amber & I also offer an apology to you Lynton for Doubting your Intelligence as the more we speak the more you do seem rather a smart person

Cheers & keep up the good work Mate

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 10:15 AM

The problem with forums, posts can seem to have tone that was not intended and some subjects have an unusually high amount of passion attached to them by some people for various reasons. Road safety is my "unusually high passion" subject for obvious reasons.

In the end all is good and I thank you for acknowledging my apology and I thank you for yours.

superpursuit83 · 17-10-2008, 12:22 PM

Spot on about caution gecko. A green light means your ALLOWED to move off. It does not mean its safe to do so.
I have seen T-Bones at lights and figure its not a good idea to nail it off a green without checking the road is clear first.

I still beleive if drivers were actually aware of whats going on around them (instead of whats going on in the car) we would have a lot less accidents.
Everyone on the road is an idiot and I am the only safe one..

Well this rule keeps me out of trouble anyway.

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by superpursuit83

Spot on about caution gecko. A green light means your ALLOWED to move off. It does not mean its safe to do so.
I have seen T-Bones at lights and figure its not a good idea to nail it off a green without checking the road is clear first.

I still beleive if drivers were actually aware of whats going on around them (instead of whats going on in the car) we would have a lot less accidents.
Everyone on the road is an idiot and I am the only safe one..

Well this rule keeps me out of trouble anyway.

Mate I could not agree with you more.

Every day I drive at work as if every road user is out to kill me, because a lot are. It is only my alertness and skill that gets me home at night after a shift.

For a start, everyone turn that damn stereo down so you hear the siren before I am right behind you, then you won't panic and jam on the brakes. The way it is we have to sit so far back just in case they jam on the brakes that they can't hear the siren (they don't use mirrors either so that does not help). I still think that most motorists have a field of vision that ends 2 metres in front of their bonnet and no operating mirrors.

But that is a whole new whinge!

Pinch · 17-10-2008, 03:22 PM

I am with Gecko and SuperPursuit about the green light thing. There are a few intersections near me that I always see people getting t-boned when they have the green. I also appreciate these same people helping me test my cars active safety features, and my reaction times, but seriously I think enough proving has been done now. For the Shire'ies on here there is probably no news in me announcing the Princes Hwy and the Boulevarde (nr the Shell), and the Princes Hwy and Port Hacking Road as the 'red still means go for some, so green means check first' intersections. Just crazy they are.

Gecko, is there anything more diligent motorists can do to help you out? A few times I have flashed an oncoming car whose driver has their mind in neutral to try and alert them to the frustrated emergency service vehicle behind trying to get past them? I get so peeved everytime I see that that I cannot imaging how you contain your frustration. I have had a quiet word with a few too if I ever pulled up beside them too. No agro cause they are usually just dumb morons, just "do you know what you are doing" etc.

A few other contributions though.

Green is the only colour that means go (or at least go carefully - see above). Easy.

Amber does not mean keep going unless someone is in the way, or you would hit someone - it means stop unless you cant stop safely. There is no room for interpretation. The law on this is clear, precise and in plain english. I am not sure what is so difficult about this that this is such an issue apart from people being in too much of a hurry to get to what really is not that important, or just being too lazy to brake as required.

Red means stop. Even this seems to be open to interpretation. I have even heard 'it hasn't been red for that long and the others don't have the green yet'. Yep, we are sharing the roads with these people, who in all probability ARE licenced.

I was also once driving a fully loaded MR down a steep hill coming to a red light. Exhaust brake on, low gear and service brakes fully engaged. Some ricer decided it would be a good time to change lanes so they were one car ahead in the queue. I was straight on the airhorns and lights to warn of the danger and that I couldn't stop. To no avail. There was nothing I could do and nowhere to go so I shunted him in to the intersection a bit. Fortunately a bus driver on the green cross road saw and stopped in time. The ricer (in front) was charged without any debate.

Sprint347 · 17-10-2008, 03:31 PM

they've been doing this in perth for years

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinch

Gecko, is there anything more diligent motorists can do to help you out? A few times I have flashed an oncoming car whose driver has their mind in neutral to try and alert them to the frustrated emergency service vehicle behind trying to get past them? I get so peeved everytime I see that that I cannot imaging how you contain your frustration. I have had a quiet word with a few too if I ever pulled up beside them too. No agro cause they are usually just dumb morons, just "do you know what you are doing" etc.

Hey Pinch

Unfortunately in that immediate situation, not a lot as more lights flashing, horns blowing and angry people will just confuse the situation and the motorist. The ones you have flashed at when going the other way probably just thought there was a speed trap ahead. You are better off making sure you are not in the way of the emergency vehicle, give the other car room to get out of the way and let the emergency services officers deal with the other person, we have ways.

I remember and incident on a road with two lanes each way, heavy traffic across both lanes coming the other way, no median strip or breakdown lanes and traffic on the left lane that the ambulance was travelling. A motorist that was wishing to turn right into a side street, put on his indicator and came to a stop at his turn, despite the fact that an ambulance under lights and siren had been trying to get past him for 500m of travel. He stopped and stayed there, waiting for the traffic to break, meanwhile the officers behind him were hitting tone change on the siren trying to get his attention, to no avail. Eventually there was a break in the traffic and the man got out of the way. When the officers returned to the station there was a complaint waiting for them stating that they had bullied and intimidated that driver.

Pity it was a phone complaint and not written, I would have just handed it to the cops and let them deal with his written admission that he failed to give way to an emergency vehicle. Needless to say the station officer pointed out that they were not intimidating him, merely trying to get him out of the way and that he was actually comitting an offence by not moving. Needless to say there was no written complaint.

What can you do, look after your own back yard. Educate your kids, family and friends (it is scary how many times I get asked what to do).
1 Keep the music down, you will hear a siren long before you see the lights, especially during the day.
2 When trying to get out of the way, pulling over to the left is normally the way to go, but have a look for indicators on the vehicle, if we are trying to turn or change lanes we use them, we may also indicate by hand if we know you can see us.
3 Use you mirrors (sounds like common sense I know but it is not that common). A
4 Allow others room to get out of the way and don't try to gain position in the traffic out of it all.

Obviously none of these points are aimed at you personally and are just general points.

LTDHO · 17-10-2008, 08:46 PM

There's a lot of people who have opinions that don't know anything.

I love it.

geckoGT · 17-10-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

There's a lot of people who have opinions that don't know anything.

I love it.

Who are you referring to? Would it be me as it is after my post?

LTDHO · 17-10-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Who are you referring to? Would it be me as it is after my post?

Not you directly, just most the posts. Some peopl have NFI

Walkinshaw · 17-10-2008, 10:50 PM

One rule of thumb I've used is

50-60 zone has 2 arrows before the lights, if you're on or past the first arrow when it goes amber, proceed through the lights

80+ zone has 3+ arrows before the lights, same as above if you're on or past the first arrow proceed through.

blackers10 · 18-10-2008, 10:28 AM

if an emergency vehicle is comming i just move out the way...
the worst scenario i see is when stupid people sit at a red light with an ambulance up their clacker and hesitate to pull forward to let them thru... im quite sure ALL the traffic at the intersection is going to see the flashing lights etc

ea90gl · 18-10-2008, 12:32 PM

Too many small non obvious laws these days, not saying its a bad thing but they are creating big problems. Look around while on the road, who's confident? Everyone drives like they're on egg shells because who knows, they could possibly end up losing a few hundred bucks for not travelling 60.2356 Km/h in a 60.3562 zone while proceeding down the left lane at approximately 1.23 metres away from the gutter while travelling approximately 4.5698 metres behind the car in front. Having low confidence while behind the wheel hosts a number of problems which only makes matters worse while out travelling the streets. I remember how things were better only 5 years ago while driving

ea90gl · 18-10-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackers10

if an emergency vehicle is comming i just move out the way...
the worst scenario i see is when stupid people sit at a red light with an ambulance up their clacker and hesitate to pull forward to let them thru... im quite sure ALL the traffic at the intersection is going to see the flashing lights etc

yes but remember the story about the fella that accelerated through a red to let the ambo pass only to cop a fine and lose in court? Back to what I was saying earlier who knows what you can do these days