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Back on topic, My recent trip to NZ, the car market there is a lot smaller than ours, yet all brands survive in that tiny market, holden's drop in sales have caught them out with their early predictions of life after producing their own car/s, the footprint in the market has suffered, they need to downsize their own management and dealerships to survive, but by the looks of recent media speculation, could be all too late. |
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17-02-2019, 12:34 PM | #662 | |||
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There were so many deliberate flaws with it that its more of a comedy than an actual review and he waits until the last minute of the review to admit that Holden had already given up on the large bodied sedans in favour of the Torana and with hindsight we know that within 4 years Holden had released the Commodore which had addressed any of the 'issues' he had. |
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17-02-2019, 01:06 PM | #663 | |||
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Had to laugh when he suggested the 253 V8 was too much performance for the car when in the HJ review he claimed the 253 was underwhelming, theres like 200kg difference |
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17-02-2019, 01:59 PM | #664 | ||
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Yep agree. as well.
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17-02-2019, 05:36 PM | #665 | |||
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My only experience of the Cortina was a TD (I think) and it had a 2 litre 4 cylinder. Never drove it though. I had a 1.6 litre Escort at the time . Re Torana ..The 253 V8 was a bugger to work on I believe in the Torana because the engine bay was not ideal for the V8 . As an owner did you find that or was that a bit incorrect . Once again never experienced that either personally . What was your favourite Torana all round by the way ? Last edited by roddy1960; 17-02-2019 at 05:43 PM. |
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I had a Cortina TD XLE in Gold with black vinyl roof and ginger upholstery. With the 4.1 and it could move !!
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The Radial Tuned Suspension a couple of years later addressed some of Peter's criticisms.. |
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17-02-2019, 07:03 PM | #668 | |||
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Obviously there was a penalty to handling with the big 6 but it more than made up for it via the additional power, so you were slower into and through a corner, but on the way out you more than made up for it. You have to remember that these were not meant to be race cars so the emphasis was on comfort as opposed to speed. I saw off plenty of 6cyl Commodores with my 4.1l TE Ghia. I personally believe Ford should have embraced the Cortina instead of Falcon, as the final rendition, the TF, was a very smart looking car and solid as a rock. Obviously the Torana's engine bay was a tighter place to work, i converted my LH from 3.3 to 4.2 and didnt have any issues with room though, not that i recall , mind you it was 24 years ago. Favourite, hmm, good question and the answer will probably raise some eyebrows but my favourite of the 8 or so i owned was my last and that was a UC SLE hatch which i converted from 1.9l to 3.3l, better dash layout, nicer trim and RTS suspension. I was never a fan of the LX front, the round headlights were a backward step from the LH's rectangular shape. If you could create the perfect Torana for me it would be a LH front and rear on a UC Hatch body with RTS, UC SLE interior, 308, T10, Salisbury 10 bolt and discs. |
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Much , much better than the wheezy constricted old Blue 202 I had in the VC Commodore prior to that . The 202 went bang at 118,000 kms one Friday afternoon breaking a piston piddling home from work. A few weeks after the new engine went in the gearbox mount let go and the dash failed and she rusted out the door sills over a couple of troublesome years ..I was jinxed with that car. Absolutely no warning either with the disintegrating piston..Repco long replacement engine wasn't much better but Dad had a HX Kingswood at the time with the red 202 and it was heaps better to drive . The Commodore was the only Holden I've ever owned. Last edited by roddy1960; 17-02-2019 at 08:05 PM. |
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Also could be one of two scenarios
a) Typical Holden lies b) Inchcape have completed their due diligence and advised GM a resounding NO thanks. https://www.caradvice.com.au/727737/..._campaign=news |
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18-02-2019, 09:06 PM | #673 | ||
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Yep I would trust the word of a company that took 200mil+ to stay open until after 2020, and not refunding any of it when they re-nigged.
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Had three modded 202 powered panels vans when I was a courier, driven hard put away wet and never had one go bang. Even the smog drowned WB was reliable apart from the melting tail light bezels.
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19-02-2019, 03:48 PM | #676 | ||
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Agreed never had trouble with a red 202, those 12 port blues and the blacks were another story though.
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Red 186s amaze me with their ruggedness. Picked up a couple for dad for his HR projects, one was filled with sludge and looked like the bottom of a swamp but the engine still ran fine. In fact the sludginess seemed to quiet it down.
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Had a great 202 in a purple HJ, that motor was very solid and strong.
Also a 173 in HJ that was not powerful, but was reliable. A 202 in a HZ that was bought in poor condition gradually lost compression in 2 cylinders, but still did a long trip on the remaining 4! I found them pretty torquey motors without huge output, but nice to float around town with the Trimatic, and reasonably good on the highway. Everyone bagged them out, just like they bagged out the last Ecotecs, but time has a funny way of sorting wheat from chaff. (The Ford 6 was almost always good and strong in comparison, excusing a few 90's head gaskets. Later Ford 6's are better than the 'red' 186.) Now the 245 Hemi...
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Well.... my local dealer has announced their pending closure, the impression tht I'm getting is the owner has had enough of bashing his head against GMH's corporate wall trying to keep the business going....
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The Hilux is outselling the entire holden range...and the Ranger is not that far away from doing the same.
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Safe to say no one cares about new Holdens anymore, only people who like whitegoods kitchen appliances on wheels. But the market for older Holdens seems to be picking up quite well.
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Yep if a had a lazy $60 000 to buy a Holden, it would be a HQ-HZ Sandman.
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