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I guess the difference is your power station delivers the same amount of power rain hail or shine at full capacity, whereas rooftop solar depends on clouds being in the sky.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with renewables, we should amend our construction codes that all new houses need to have a minimum 15kWh solar system - but it's user pays, you need to have it or you don't get to build your new house. With factories, same deal but on a much larger scale, if all the factories in Tullamarine and Keilor Park had rooftops full of solar it would probably power those two suburbs completely and more. But you'll pay for it yourself, no tax payer subsidies. There we go we have our green energy revolution. I'm suspect on batteries being able to store enough energy on a state level to compensate for what we currently use coal for. Keep in mind we are talking in an era without manufacturing anymore either. How old are our brown coal power plants? Isn't there a way like we do with cars to clean up what comes out the exhaust? I think we need to consider nuclear energy. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 26-03-2022 at 12:23 AM. |
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I barely know where to begin with that nonsense. It's got absolutely nothing to do with business use. Anything used for business purposes is, by definition, tax deductible. Doesn't matter whether it's a EV, or an F350 Super Duty. The issue, again by definition of what we're actually talking about (ie FBT) is PRIVATE USE, and specifically in this instance Cars that are Salary Sacrificed for exclusively personal use. I realise you have some giant weed up your **** about dual cabs, and I'm sorry your boss wouldn't let you take the work ute home, but that again is irrelevant. An employer can legally provide you with just about anything as a Fringe Benefit. And anything they do provide as a Fringe Benefit automatically becomes tax deductible. They could pay to have your balls waxed, and it would be tax deductible. The downside is that (after all the formulas are done) they'd pay FBT that effectively works out equivalent to you simply getting the money as salary and paying tax at the top marginal tax rate. There are a few things that are exempt from FBT, and there are some employers (Charities, Churches, PBIs, etc, which also get partial exemptions) but for most people, there is simply isn't much. What Each-Way is proposing, is an exemption for "EVs". Now as I said, this is an election promise, and very short on detail, so I won't be surprised if it doesn't eventuate, or if limits are imposed. But as written, they are proposing to make EVs (including PHEVs) upto the luxury tax limit, exempt from FBT. That means no FBT, so no calculation necessary. Whether they buy an EV and let you drive it home, Or they lease you an EV, Or they just give you one, the effect will be the same. 100% tax deductible to them, and no FBT. That means that whatever the mechanism you can afford, you'd be able to get your employer to pay for your EV out of your pre-tax income. For someone paying the top marginal rate on all that amount, this would almost halve the real cost of the car. |
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If we were smart enough, we would have built nuclear power plants decades ago just like we should have nuclear weapons too to make us 100% independent.
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The only thing that is a barrier for EV is cost and range. You sort both of those then that is the new daily with the dino fuel weekender.
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Here's one coming to AUS built by a Chinese battery company BYD. New Blade batterys which don't catch fire when punchured, has beaten Tesla with this tech and priced to sell. Looks a bit alright as well. Toyota has enlisted BYD to build their upcoming EV Corolla. They must be ok if the Yoda has signed off on this. |
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explaining that train of thought regarding current position of many company vehicles vs the changes. OK, let’s try something different, how much fringe benefit do you think gets paid on vehicles now? The answer is sweet FA because of the strategy I mentioned earlier, actual business usage. The first thing accountants tell bosses and their employees is to go run a log book and gather evidence of high business usage/ low private usage that’s potential FBT. So currently, many of those FBT liable vehicles used as company cars are being declared at 90% business usage or more.. Sure there are some that don’t reach those levels but I guarantee that many seek to minimise FBT. My point is that all those currently having FBT liable vehicles will just switch to a complying non-FBT electric and simplify the tax process for themselves and more importantly the tax department as well. And for what it’s worth, I don’t have a stick up my backside about dual cab Utes, the changes were made to save the tax department money in assessing tens of thousands of FBT liable vehicles, the changes we’re all about how the government could save money by reducing tax department compliance employees. Last edited by jpd80; 26-03-2022 at 09:58 AM. |
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And I’ll be interested to see how many execs switch away from buying Ranger Raptors
and the like to Teslas and other EVs. We may find a significant exodus from the dual cab Ute segment as buyers choose electrics from other manufacturers.. |
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![]() Yet everyone conveniently forgets about this. All those in favour of nuclear power I vote every plant needed, can be built in all the capital cities.
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Won't be long and your plane flight will be Carbon free. https://www.upi.com/Science_News/202...5781643303801/ |
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And marry a girl call Marge, Ok Homer.
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i like how everyone & his/her dog keeps on bringing up carbon .... carbon this carbon that . . . . . talk about flogs ![]() we pollute this planet with more than just excess carbon. any chance we can also clean up those nasty craps too??. ohh ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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where did i say that? ![]() we pollute everything - the air, water & soil. even our bodies [& no Franco i do not mean that way ![]() Quote:
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Us Flogs (as you called us) are pushing for Carbon decrease. Quite a simple thing to do. Maybe when this is done, Us Flogs will move onto something else like Plastic pollution in the oceans, etc. Did you know, some Flogs are quite educated in these fields. Fun fact, they've now found an algae eating this plastic. Awesome you say. Well yes, until the bioaccumulation in the food chain. Who enjoys Seafood? Hmmm yummy plastic.... I understand where you're coming from, us humans are disgraceful with the what we do do and treat things but to call out people for trying......... |
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Plenty. And for a brand like Tesla, most of their sales are in that sub $77k bracket.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() we already have the plastic in our food chain. in fact the plastic we manufacture can be found any where on this planet!. and get rid of the single use plastic bags ........ and replace them with still more plastic bags ![]() ![]() funny how something's look to be the best to use & easy as well ... but are the worst things to use in hindsight. [not just plastic] everyone is going on about carbon as the be all & end all, it's not, it's a part of it. an ICE car/truck/bus is the most polluting yes .... electric a little less polluting & i'm talking the whole cycle of starting from digging up the materials to manufacturing the vehicles to the end of their life cycle. same with the solar panels, just hopefully doing less polluting to this planet we all share. i'm saying we need to do more than just clean up our carbon excess. Ps. by flogs i mean humans ....... & that includes me ![]() |
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You'll find new bio plastics being made from seaweed, starch etc that break down in 60days. Recycling plants of solar is occuring. Australian companies have designed a processing plant for the recycling of Li ion batterys and have plants running in Germany atm. Things are happening. Just not pushed by the FOX media. I wonder why? |
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