Bathurst boring. - Page 2

CJR09 · 14-10-2016, 04:45 PM

Just a sign of the times - happened through the early eighties as well - personally I think the last 4-5yrs of Bathurst have been among the best - certainly the last 4 yrs I do not understand how anyone could complain - wins from last, nail biting finishes, controversy in the dying moments - seriously what more do people expect?!? We do not live in the seventies anymore - although watching the 77 vid still brought a tear to the eye....

its a modern world with modern equipment and reliability to match - god knows how many times i had to push my mkIII gt cortina or xa's-xc's - it soon wears thin....

Rob 351 · 14-10-2016, 05:38 PM

Watched a replay of the 81 race the other week and those first 20-30 laps between Bartlett, Brock, Johnson in TRU BLU and Morris in his XD were insane! 3 totally different cars and all had their strengths and weakness's but that was racing was all about!
First 30 laps this year I was looking for a pillow and I was at the Mountain!

olds · 14-10-2016, 05:50 PM

It became boring when they introduced safety cars. The most iconic wins were before safety cars.Now its a fuel economy race for the last 20 laps no reflection on who has had the best car for 1000 kms

Pis-ton broke · 14-10-2016, 06:18 PM

Dick Johnson said the other day about racing in the eighties, "we were basically racing hotted up cars" and how good is that. such a great variety. even Nissan bluebird had a crack. maybe half a dozens different makes, didn,t rolls royce or bently win one year?

NX74205 · 14-10-2016, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

I like COTF and I'd like to see it extended further. The brand rivalry is nearly gone now and as time goes on it will disappear for good.

Then what's the point in manufacturers taking part at all? The "Fords" that are on track aren't really Fords at all, they're just a common chassis with a fibreglass body that looks somewhat like a Ford.

I don't blame Ford for pulling out if that's what V8 Supercars has become. I liked it better two decades ago when it was the Australian Touring Car Championship.

**janddbone** · 14-10-2016, 06:52 PM

Love Bathurst and find it the opposite of boring. Has changed for sure by for the better.

roddy1960 · 14-10-2016, 06:55 PM

G'day ,..I watched the Brock mini series last week . If accurately depicted to see just how stock the cars really were in those days is a real eye opener . A wheel change was a big deal with proper wheel nuts needing to be done..Pit stops were often 2-3 minutes plus by the look of it..Brock (no doubt most drivers ) actually worked on the cars too if the show was somewhat factual..Seat of the pants racing on skinny road tyres..Whoa..
JUST AWESOME...In those days Win on Sunday , Sell on Monday might have carried real weight..Cheers Rod....

Adamz Ghia · 14-10-2016, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

Then what's the point in manufacturers taking part at all? The "Fords" that are on track aren't really Fords at all, they're just a common chassis with a fibreglass body that looks somewhat like a Ford.

I don't blame Ford for pulling out if that's what V8 Supercars has become. I liked it better two decades ago when it was the Australian Touring Car Championship.

Id rather that than seeing the same teams every single year up at the top.

nitro50th · 14-10-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

They need smaller tyres and BIG turbos.

1992 Dick Johnston taking pole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zgIwRpKNCY

He certainly worked for his lap, was great seeing a driver row a 'H' pattern instead of sequential. The speed of his leg work coming onto conrod was awesome.

CyberWasp · 14-10-2016, 08:35 PM

I still like Bathurst but I think the thing that is missing is small amount of cars in the race.
When I saw the start I took a double take.
What happened to the days when the starting grind when around the corner and way back?
Maybe they should include the Dunlop Series in the same race and have them running in a different class to fill out the grid and add a lot of unpredictability back into the race in lapping slower cars ect.

NX74205 · 14-10-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

Id rather that than seeing the same teams every single year up at the top.

Then have everybody driving in some non-descript bodyshell and stop pretending that they're Ford, Holden, Volvo or whatever. Because it's not.

Let's stop pretending that the Frankenstein cars going around the track are anything like the cars that you can buy on Monday. I find it hard to get excited about Bathurst when there's no REAL Ford cars to get behind, like I could back two decades ago when I was a Seton fan.

Blue Roo · 14-10-2016, 08:58 PM

I prefer to watch the support categories like, the Australian Muscle Cars Masters and Aussie Ute Series. More excitement, cars you can relate too and old school fun.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 14-10-2016, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

Then have everybody driving in some non-descript bodyshell and stop pretending that they're Ford, Holden, Volvo or whatever. Because it's not.

Let's stop pretending that the Frankenstein cars going around the track are anything like the cars that you can buy on Monday. I find it hard to get excited about Bathurst when there's no REAL Ford cars to get behind, like I could back two decades ago when I was a Seton fan.

Who's suggesting that the cars on the track are anything like the cars that you can buy on Monday? Anyone who knows anything about the series realises its a control formula. Sure, there's still people out there that believe that, but they don't have anything to do with the series any more.

The manufacturers aren't. When was the last time you saw one of the represented manufacturers use a Supercars vehicle for promotion?

At least the engines represent the manufacturers brand. Sure, you can't buy any vehicle in this country with that motor in it, but at least they are still the respective manufacturer's engines.

TheInterceptor · 14-10-2016, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Roo

I prefer to watch the support categories like, the Australian Muscle Cars Masters and Aussie Ute Series. More excitement, cars you can relate too and old school fun.

Yes I'm with you on this one. I love racing in general (drag racing mainly these days) so if it's on I would watch it but not go out of my way for it. But I love the ute series and the Muscle car masters. However it really hurts to watch those classics rub fenders and eat walls... Makes it hard to watch sometimes as I really hate seeing that!

castellan · 14-10-2016, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

I stopped regularly watching V8 Supercars when Perkins stopped using the Holden V8 (1993?). It all seemed to become pretty much sanitised and purely entertainment after that.
I remember hanging out to watch the old Group Cs as a child.
Nowdays I watch TCM when I can .. and I watch the highlights of the V8s (and the V8 utes) but its a passing interest only. I'd rather be out in the shed working on my own cars or bikes ...

Yep when Perky won in the last Holden 5.0L powered V8 was the last of the true blue Aussie racing era.

If only I had a time machine, It would of been great to be there from the 1968 and on races, as it was the real Aussie mate man ship that you had down at the tracks in them days, the passion for the cars and the racing was truly fantastic and the Ford people VS the Holden people was bloody full on and the Sh-- fights that I seen at the track were just classic true blue Aussie stuff and you could drink till the cows came home, no one took offence like they do nowadays and it was to be expected that someone maybe hurling abuse at the opposition was just the done thing.
I never seen any fights ever but seen plenty pass out drunk, you would see old mate in the opposition that was having a go ranting, some time later sleeping it off laying flat out on the grass, the next time you looked around and you would say look old muggins has hit the deck.

castellan · 14-10-2016, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Yes I'm with you on this one. I love racing in general (drag racing mainly these days) so if it's on I would watch it but not go out of my way for it. But I love the ute series and the Muscle car masters. However it really hurts to watch those classics rub fenders and eat walls... Makes it hard to watch sometimes as I really hate seeing that!

I love the real tight going for it all out full on racing 2 or 3 cars even if not up in the front of the race, we seen that in some of the old racing days even at Bathurst, the TV would show what was going on back in the field where the real action was going on.

xr8cam · 14-10-2016, 11:46 PM

Ozjavelin nailed it with 'sanitised' Perfect description. When I was trying to think of a new class, I kept coming back to the problem of no Falcon V Commondoor. What is the future, usa GM V8 imports V usa Ford V8 Mustang imports. Suddenly touring car racing in this country is looking pretty sad.

Moby Vic · 15-10-2016, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xr8cam

Ozjavelin nailed it with 'sanitised' Perfect description. When I was trying to think of a new class, I kept coming back to the problem of no Falcon V Commondoor. What is the future, usa GM V8 imports V usa Ford V8 Mustang imports. Suddenly touring car racing in this country is looking pretty sad.

Didn't they switch from V8 Supercars to simply Supercars?

Odds are they'll do what other series such as DTM and Japanese GT500 are doing and switch to turbo fours. That way you'll get a variety of marques, but obviously the days of homegrown competition are done.

I'm still not used to seeing Toyota in NASCR (not that I've followed NASCAR in about 20 years).

FPV8U · 15-10-2016, 01:30 AM

It will be interesting to keep an eye on the popularity of the GT3 based 12H and the Production 6 hour over the next couple of years to see if they can gain some popularity and media exposure.

mcflux · 15-10-2016, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Dick Johnston taking pole

Hu hu hu hu 8==D

On a more serious note watching Bathurst is like watching test cricket, you're either in it for the long haul or you just check it out every halfa.

lownloud · 15-10-2016, 10:17 AM

What killed Aussie Touring cars for me....
-The cars no longer have any relevance to what you can actually buy. 5 litre pushrod V8s... 'nuff said.
-The drivers have no brand loyalty and just seem to chase the $$$. Think Johnson, Brock, Grice, Perkins etc up until group A.
-The drivers seem to have no character. I blame hefty fines for saying anything remotely controversial or interesting or even humorous that may reflect badly on the sport.
-And now Foxtel. Lack of free to air coverage means I didn't even know who 3/4 of the drivers are and what they were driving at Bathurst this year.
- Mark Skaife's one eyed Jamie Whincup commentating. The bromance is strong....

Having said that I went to Bathurst last year and again this year and thoroughly enjoyed it! The rest of the series I just really don't care any more.

Highway star · 15-10-2016, 10:34 AM

What killed Bathurst for me this year and for ever more.

1. The only thing Ford or Holden was the badge on the cars.
2. How can you win a race when you never led a lap?
3. Listening to Mark Scaife for 6 hours talk about nothing but fuel and who had some or not, would drive any man to drink!
4. I missed the National anthem was it any good? because the rest was *****!

CoupeKing · 15-10-2016, 10:52 AM

Skaife is either talking &^%$ or he's trying to commentate like someone calling the final stages of the Melbourne cup.

Just leave it to Crompton, he's the best commentator in the land. Well spoken, unbiased, and just gives us facts - not hopes/dreams/opinions.

castellan · 15-10-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lownloud

What killed Aussie Touring cars for me....
-The cars no longer have any relevance to what you can actually buy. 5 litre pushrod V8s... 'nuff said.
-The drivers have no brand loyalty and just seem to chase the $$$. Think Johnson, Brock, Grice, Perkins etc up until group A.
-The drivers seem to have no character. I blame hefty fines for saying anything remotely controversial or interesting or even humorous that may reflect badly on the sport.
-And now Foxtel. Lack of free to air coverage means I didn't even know who 3/4 of the drivers are and what they were driving at Bathurst this year.
- Mark Skaife's one eyed Jamie Whincup commentating. The bromance is strong....

Having said that I went to Bathurst last year and again this year and thoroughly enjoyed it! The rest of the series I just really don't care any more.

Welcome to Political Correctness where all become sterile.

**buggerlugs** · 15-10-2016, 11:21 AM

I was at Bathurst and the feeling with the big crowds was that every bugger is going now before they change and have 6 and 4 cylinder cars in there...................

MethodX · 15-10-2016, 07:31 PM

Oh man please not the sierra and skyline days... terrible.
At least the GM car beat them in 1990.

Why hate..? unite

**98TLS** · 15-10-2016, 08:28 PM

Motor racings far bigger than Ford v Holden,that said cant deny ive loved the rivalry over the years Bathurst though is an event period and always worthy of watching the whole day no matter what grill badge you support,ive watched so many the outcome doesnt really bother me to much its more the twists n turns along the way i find enjoyable.

**98TLS** · 15-10-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Oh man please not the sierra and skyline days... terrible.
At least the GM car beat them in 1990.

Why hate..? unite

Why terrible? Watched the GTR in NZ at the Wellington st race,teething troubles saw it in the pits for long periods but when out was lapping 5 seconds quicker per lap than the beemer that won the race,whats not to like.

**Uncle_Ken** · 15-10-2016, 08:42 PM

I guess I was lucky, I was @ Bathurst when Dick Johnson hit the rock, when the Nissan Bluebird blew its turbo at the top of the mountain. I have found memories from those days. I doubt if we will every see a 'car you can buy on Monday' format again, I hope they get it right so the next generation of race goes get to see what I saw
UK

MethodX · 15-10-2016, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 98TLS

Why terrible? Watched the GTR in NZ at the Wellington st race,teething troubles saw it in the pits for long periods but when out was lapping 5 seconds quicker per lap than the beemer that won the race,whats not to like.

Where it comes from.
its fan base.
the tech stolen from westerners.