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I prefer the 4L V8, but the twin turbo I6 kicks *** too.
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Even when the power output of a turbo DI engine matches a larger N/A engine, the turbo has better low-end torque, less power loss at high altitude, and increased efficiency. A small downside, there is still a little turbo lag. I have noticed lag in some N/A cars too (probably to do with ECM or transmission calibration).
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Soarer has as much in common with Camry as much as Falcon has with Mondeo meaning nothing....( except for the fact that Mondeo does use Ecobooost :-) ) JZ series engines are old school large capacity turbo engines not this new low boost , ecoboost , direct injection 1 litre triples . Completly different technology even if both use turbos. |
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10-06-2013, 09:12 AM | #35 | |||
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But , and here is the big question will the navara at 250 Ks,and 15 years old do what my patrol still does now ..... Small boosted engines are impressive none the less, but when the ford 4 L is boosted it opens up a whole new ball game Pretty good when one of the tuffest if not the tuffest aussie built engine is the turbo ford 6 .... |
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Different level I know but I went N/A over boost and even stayed 6cyl over V8.I even got a NAT ASP FG XR6 but if I was buying more for me than family I would have went supercharged V8 as it could be made to go fast and still tow my ute around.
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To get power from N/A engine cam specs create emission issues..
While forced induction keeps air flow constantly flowing the same direction.. With very mild cam specs with VERY little overlap where both inlet and exhaust are not open at the same time.. Denser / compressed air has more oxygen to burn all the fuel..
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Yes that's correct !! Modern EFI fluctuates between rich and lean to keep cats working efficiently..To protect them as well.. Which is why WRX engines have two 02 sensors either side of the cat...
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Do they???
My xr6t has done 200,000km, including 2 super street championship wins, lots of track days, towed a disco 2 over 300km as well as my drag car to numerous meetings, yet has never needed to be replaced or rebuilt. Can't say the same for many Holden v8s though....
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Yes NA is on the way out.
It's possible to get impressive power/economy from a smaller forced induction engine. The Japanese have known this for decades. Even BMW/Merc Benz are going down the turbocharging path.
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Extensively used in trucks and now moving into passenger cars. Go for a ride in a current 911 Turbo - it's a tidal wave of instant torque.
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The problem with VGT and petrol engines is sky high exhaust temps. Porsche had major dramas with this on the 911 Turbo, and so far are the only ones that use it on a petrol engine.
I doubt it will ever be mainstream. |
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Petrol - I agree with you.
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Its only aftermarket but I've seen Holset HE351VE turbos being used on petrol engines with good results. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 10-06-2013 at 05:52 PM. |
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very 20th century thinking there. turbo technology has evolved to a reliable cost effective method of making power . old school turbos were fragile but new designs and cooling/ lubrication methods have changed this. sure if you flog the guts out of a turbo it may let you down but isn't this the same with any engine type?
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not on a well designed car, take a falcon ecoboost for a drive, floor it and see if you feel the same about lag. I drove one expecting heaps of lag but it was very responsive off the mark
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I was merely pointing out that turbos don't die at 100,000kms and do last along time when boosted or pushed hard .
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Actually lexus did sell the sc400 series locally . Rare but they did .
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Pretty sure there were no australian delivered SC400 . Some do attach Lexus badges on them but that doesnt count :-).
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Sorry they were available through Lexus dealers , albeit 2nd hand but practically new .
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It was also not a turbo I6 like the one described earlier in this thread defending turbo longevity. You can twist and turn your story as much you like but to the vast majority of car enthusiasts in Australia a soarer is a grey imported rwd camry looking Toyota and no amount of watching Fast and Furious repeats is going to change it. |
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You can break anything, but regular servicing and half a degree of mechanical sympathy will see a turbocharged car provide many years of trouble free running.
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Lexus dealers sold 'near new' SC400s? No they did not. Those cars were only badged a Lexus in USA and I can quite confidently say that Australian Lexus dealerships did not sell rebadged Japanese Soarers.
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The Soarer is a fantastic car, but their image is somewhat shot now that they are old, cheap, and all manner of clowns drive them.
The 1JZ twin turbo six is a sweet thing indeed, and those Toyota engines are bulletproof.
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Forced induction with smaller displacement is the way of the future, like it or lump it.
Check out my little review of the 1.0L Ecoboost Focus http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11391986 This is the sort of thing we will be driving in the future. Let me give you an example from JLR's current line up. Supercharged 5.0L V8 for the big gun. Supercharged 3.0L V6, which replaces the 5.0L N/A motor Turbocharged 2.0L I4, which replaces the old 3.0L V6 N/A motor Turbocharged 4.4L V8 Diesel, previously the 3.6L TDV8 Turbocharged 3.0L V6 Diesel Turbocharged 2.2L I4 Diesel I see a trend forming there...AND a number of those engines, are actually Ford motors...
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