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My bog standard 290kw BA1 GT-P demonstrated far more power at a competive dyno day back in 2005 than every single HSV tested including 300kw C4Bs and 297Kw LS2s with a reading of 247rwkw. Of course there is always the "happy dyno" defence but if that were the case and as it was a ls1.com.au dyno day if there were any shonkies going on they would probably be with the HSVs not the evil FPV. |
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You know after thinking about what engines Ford makes available in Falcon, we really don't have much at all to complain about,
I bet if Ford only had an alloy 5.8 V8 as its sole performance engine, certain people would be screaming for an I-6T and a S/C V8.... |
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Is the standard turbo on the XR6T and F6 of the VGT variety? Or is it fixed?
With VGT turbos you can get better low RPM performance and still keep it good up high as well. |
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Just a nice and simple fixed turbo with a built in wastgate. On something like an f6 a twin scroll setup would be just about perfect and no need for the added complexity of VGT.
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Peter Car
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It's fixed. The current turbo's make max torque below 2000 rpm anyway so what's the advantage of going VGT. The only petrol engine that I know of the uses VGT is the 911 Turbo, exhaust temps are the issue I think using it in petrol engines. From memory Porsche had a hell of a lot of trouble getting it to work.
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They would probably go a bigger turbo then and run less peak PSI if they had VGT.
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A good mate of mine that I went to school with (many years ago ha) has worked at GMH for over 30yrs, mostly in engine development. When I bought the BA XR6T in 2002 he was 1 of the 1st that I took for a spin.. Anyhow he was telling me that his dept at GM were working on a TT V6 and had got some pretty impressive numbers out of it. And that the yanks had been over for the testing and were keen as for over there. This was over TEN years ago is my point! He also believed Ford had trumped them with their inline 6 being heaps more turbo friendly, hugely understressed as a relatively stock Falcon6 and so much cheaper to do than their V6 which was expensive and at it's absolute limit without major internal redesign. We'd also be pretty silly to think Holden hasn't done their sums on Turbo technology with the impact Ford had with the XR6T.
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Plenty of old turbo Buicks made good power in modified tune..
The new lightweight alloy block engines may require re-engineering to take the low rpm torque..
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Even if the current fixed turbo makes max torque below 2000 RPM, imagine what they could do with VGT? Also whats twin scroll? Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 29-03-2013 at 07:33 PM. |
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What turbos are BMW running on their 3l turbo and such? Last I head it was a twin scroll but maybe they've got something more on another model n
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Most modern diesels run variable vane. The Mitsi Triton does..
This issue as said with petrol engines is the exhaust gets too hot and no self lubing makes the vanes stick.. That's not to say they cant make a water cooled turbine housing like they do in diesel turbo marine engines and oil fed vanes.Or use oil pressure to control them ??
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most applications these days use fairly small turbos so they spool up quickly but that also means the upper power becomes limited.
Not so much a problem with the 4.0 I-6, plenty of gas flow down low to get the turbo spinning quickly and enough reserve at the top end to see off most contenders.. |
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HSV already sold a forced 6 back in the late 90s.
Back then the XU6 was quicker then their V8(EFI 5L), but customers decided with their wallets that they would prefer the V8 regardless of how quick the forced 6 was. Admittedly markets have changed since 1998/9 but I see it as history most likely repeating itself given the V8 tech they have now. I couldn't really see customers opting for this in large numbers over the LS3 or whatever engine comes next.
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People buy on emotion more than they admit, hell I did it when I bought my xr8. Test drove a few xr6t's, and in all honesty there was no logical reason to choose the 8 over the 6t, except for the fact I wanted an 8. |
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there`s something nice about having a big lump of v8 engine between the shock towers, even my old xc ute with the clevo in front, it handled pretty average at speed(standard 1976 ute suspension), but cruising around and feeling the torque and all that mass being shoved around , it had a solid feel about it, a feel you cannot get in a light buzz box.
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Without having the statistics in front of me I do recall reading that HSV sold V8s over Super6s at a much greater ratio than GT to F6. Ford customers have always seemed to embrace the hot 6 much more than Holden customers. In my opinion HSV being the more established company have a greater V8 culture, I liken people going to HSV to buy anything but the V8 like going to a butcher and trying to buy a salad. :P Apologies for going off topic.
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09/00 VX HSV XU6 Build #0001 of 0171 http://fordforums.com.au/showthread....09#post5571209 -- Best E/T: |14.982 @92.12mph | R/T:0.013 | 60' 2.213| 330: 6.283 | 1/8: 9.624 @ 73.17mph | 1000: 12.529 | 25Deg, N/A Hum, 1010mb | Willowbank Raceway 7/12/16 Tickford EL Falcon XR6 RIP ![]() -- Factory Manual -- Best E/T: |14.991 @ 92.71mph | R/T: 0.607 | 60': 2.215 | 660': 9.665 |13Deg, 86%H, 1024mb, 184RA @ Willowbank Raceway |
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VL turbo was how many years before ford?
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Nissan engine yes, developed with a turbo and software by holden.
Nissan don't make an RB30 turbo.
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Why would Holden have developed their own turbo kit for the motor given the turbo heritage for the rest of the RB motors.
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because the RB20/30 was the only two engine's offered by Nissan to holden .
would have been different if they offered the RB26.
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Peter Car
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Nope, Nissan did all the r&d on the engine, Holden would have done the calibration of the ECU.
Do you need me to scan a few articles from Wheels from the era? They are around somewhere. |
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