Carsguide is at it again.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by TMC

Balljoints. All SX and SY vehicles were/are subject to a free recall replacement of the said troublesome parts. Not all have had issues with them. Ford is not the only manufacturer to have had faulty ball joints either. Ford could have handled the issue better in the early days and now they have damaged the brand by delaying implementation of a recall. The mud has well and truly stuck, and will never be forgotten, although the real truth will be forgotten.

Bagging the ZF. If you bag the ZF, every other automatic on the planet must be called "a bucket of faeces ready to explode at any moment in your face" in comparison. The ZF, a German engineered, incredible gearbox, is one of the best automatics ever built. BMW, Jaguar, Land Rover, Maserati, and a heap of other big name manufacturers have or do use the same ZF 6spd used by Ford. There are two things that will damage the ZF. The poxy heat exchanger used by Ford can and does corrode through filling the box with coolant which is instant death for it. The other thing is 500+kW at the flywheel which tends to snap input shafts. But these are things that would do damage to any gearbox and are not related to the design of the ZF, but other things. True they are expensive to fix, but if treated correctly and serviced correctly (They're not sealed for life - don't believe that for a second) they should last for ages.

I wonder how many ZF's have failed that have nothing to do with a failed heat exchanger or enormous amounts of power and torque being pushed through them. I bet that there would be next to none at all.

As for the article, all second hand cars should be treated with caution. Who walks up to a second hand car with intent to purchase, reads an internet article on their common faults, and then buys one without checking it out?
To add, "approach with caution" as if the whole product is a ticking time bomb, at the end of the article is unfair. But that's the Holden blood flowing through his veins. Remember the VL Commode is fully sick.

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only person to take issue with the bias bollocks spewing from the article.

Originally Posted by csv8

I posted in the Territory section a few days ago..

Sorry mate... but it does get more exposure here. I mean... who doesn't visit The Pub?

[Fiesta_Man69]

My point being 95%+ of owners of affected Territories aren't on this forum. Their tales of heartache haven't been told. The fact that this forum is obviously full of pro Ford people (as it should be) has lessened the impact of the severity of the Territorys failings on here. The Carsguide article is accurate and fair, end of story.

[Nikked]

Smithy Biased?

What a load...I thought Ford fans were generally smart...but everytime a story is released that talks about a problem with a Ford, its all biased and anti-ford...






Here he is praising the FG

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...9_buyers_guide

Positive about the Focus...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...7_buyers_guide



Here he is mentioning the VE's flaws...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...9_buyers_guide

Here is one where he talk about the Statesmen playing second fiddle to the Fairlane...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...8_buyers_guide

VT tire ware is an issue...

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...0_buyers_guide

Gen III oil consuption and Piston slap...smithy mention's it here....

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...6_buyers_guide

[poppa smurf]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I think it sums up the territory nicely...


You can't praise a car and hide its flaws if you are doing a buyers guide.

#2 for this....

[Bossxr8]

He wrote a used car review on the VE a few weeks ago, and praised its quality, and that it has no common issues.

I guess when its Holden you can just turn a blind eye to all the chain tensioner, flat battery and electrical issues because that doesn't happen to Holden does it.

Clownshoes.

[viper237]

He's not really biassed, check out reviews on other Fords. I just had a read of a review on used BA XR6T its all praise apart from the diff bush and crappy stock brakes which we all know is fact.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

He wrote a used car review on the VE a few weeks ago, and praised its quality, and that it has no common issues.

I guess when its Holden you can just turn a blind eye to all the chain tensioner, flat battery and electrical issues because that doesn't happen to Holden does it.

Clownshoes.

Funny... because that link up there seems to point out many issues with quality and fit and finish regarding the interior.

[washoutbeach]

Today we were invited to take the first test drive of the new VF Holdun.

Visually, its a marked improvement from the old VE and boasts a new generation upgraded front grill and dynamic ergonomic blinker design.

They have done amazing things with the speed of the vehicle attributable to the adding of two thin pin stripes, 15.87 mm below the lateral handle line.

The new ECO-POL in line V1 motor engine boasts a massive .23 % increase on fuel efficiency by use of the polariser mark 2, which in the event of a breakdown on a country road, can also be used as a toaster or gate stop.

Holden have cleverly removed the back seats, thereby adding a massive extra 195 litres to luggage space with no appreciable disturbance to the comfort of rear seated passengers. Leg room seems far less of an issue by the innovative trunk leg through, aided by reversible seatbelts.

On the window front, Holden have gone for optional rear windows which increases airflow through the cabin. In an act of generosity, buyers are not expected to pay extra for this luxury, although a small premium applies for factory-extracted windscreens.

So far as technology is concerned, Pac-man and Space invaders have been added to the Defcon CCCP air defense central dashboard command centre, with the driver able to play the game by use of steering wheel paddles whilst in fourth and fifth gears. Buyers can also upgrade to the porn pack ( fifth gear only).

Regrettably, there is no spare wheel, but each model comes with a ready to go "escape skateboard pod"

Holden have improved sensors in all areas that will detect the amount of rust in the body before it becomes visible to the eye and a leveller that determines the amount of rubber left around the windows.

It is easily the best car ever built and designed in world history, a solid classic that will have a strong resale value.

Parts will be cheap and plentiful. McDonalds and KFC will let you attend the drive thru without paying. Nice people of the opposite sex ( or the same sex if you are gay) will notice and admire you. You will become popular at work and dearly loved by all and sundry.

As a consequence of the above, Dive reccommends this vehicle.

For the purpose of the test, Holdun supplied the 2014 VF1- Homeless and the 2014 VF1- Xtreme Waffen SS.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Funny... because that link up there seems to point out many issues with quality and fit and finish regarding the interior.

It was the VZ, not VE sorry.

Was in Carsguide a month or 2 ago.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by washoutbeach

Today we were invited to take the first test drive of the new VF Holdun.

Visually, its a marked improvement from the old VE and boasts a new generation upgraded front grill and dynamic ergonomic blinker design.

They have done amazing things with the speed of the vehicle attributable to the adding of two thin pin stripes, 15.87 mm below the lateral handle line.

The new ECO-POL in line V1 motor engine boasts a massive .23 % increase on fuel efficiency by use of the polariser mark 2, which in the event of a breakdown on a country road, can also be used as a toaster or gate stop.

Holden have cleverly removed the back seats, thereby adding a massive extra 195 litres to luggage space with no appreciable disturbance to the comfort of rear seated passengers. Leg room seems far less of an issue by the innovative trunk leg through, aided by reversible seatbelts.

On the window front, Holden have gone for optional rear windows which increases airflow through the cabin. In an act of generosity, buyers are not expected to pay extra for this luxury, although a small premium applies for factory-extracted windscreens.

So far as technology is concerned, Pac-man and Space invaders have been added to the Defcon CCCP air defense central dashboard command centre, with the driver able to play the game by use of steering wheel paddles whilst in fourth and fifth gears. Buyers can also upgrade to the porn pack ( fifth gear only).

Regrettably, there is no spare wheel, but each model comes with a ready to go "escape skateboard pod"

Holden have improved sensors in all areas that will detect the amount of rust in the body before it becomes visible to the eye and a leveller that determines the amount of rubber left around the windows.

It is easily the best car ever built and designed in world history, a solid classic that will have a strong resale value.

Parts will be cheap and plentiful. McDonalds and KFC will let you attend the drive thru without paying. Nice people of the opposite sex ( or the same sex if you are gay) will notice and admire you. You will become popular at work and dearly loved by all and sundry.

As a consequence of the above, Dive reccommends this vehicle.

For the purpose of the test, Holdun supplied the 2014 VF1- Homeless and the 2014 VF1- Xtreme Waffen SS.

This is kind of silly but I still laughed. It's an extreme take on the media spin.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It was the VZ, not VE sorry.

Was in Carsguide a month or 2 ago.

Take your tin hat off, the whole "media biased" against ford is old, tyring, and just stupid.

Makes us as ford fans look like a buch of un-intelligent basement dwellers...


http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...9_buyers_guide

She has had the clutch replaced twice, the sound system has also been replaced twice, the plastic moulding on the driver's seat broke, the handbrake has stuck on, the ECM has been reprogrammed, and it currently has issues with the lower control arms, but all problems have been fixed under warranty.

Fit and finish was an issue immediately after the launch of the VE, odd noises were evident in early cars, so look and listen carefully when test driving cars.

The SV6 was a direct response to the success of Ford's XR6, which had pretty much buried the Commodore S, Holden's previous six-cylinder sports sedan


It's almost 20 years since Ford unveiled the XR6, so it's taken a long time, but there's no doubting that it has built a following among owners who believe you don't need to Drive a V8 to be sporty.

As Ford's flyer has ascended the throne Holden's S has got lost in the traffic.

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...9_buyers_guide

Ray Davo has driven a Sportwagon supplied by his employer for the past two years, doing 20 to 800 km daily, usually solo with a variable load, and he says he would be happy to hand it back. His main criticism is the poor visibility caused by the A-pillar, which he says is a safety issue, but he's also critical of the location of the handbrake, the seating, the fuel consumption, and says the cruise won't hold its settings, the handling is upset when it's carrying a load in the back, it tracks poorly on country roads, the transmission sometimes appears to slip when changing up, and there's an annoying vibration through the steering wheel. Overall it feels like it was hastily designed around an attractive profile without due regard for ergonomics

Could hardly pick a winner in a BF V's VE fight...VE won basically because its newer...
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...s_ve_commodore

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

My point being 95%+ of owners of affected Territories aren't on this forum. Their tales of heartache haven't been told. The fact that this forum is obviously full of pro Ford people (as it should be) has lessened the impact of the severity of the Territorys failings on here. The Carsguide article is accurate and fair, end of story.

Ford sneezes here and many thinks its heart failiure ...... Some have a problem with any model on a forum and suddenly everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Many who state that there is massive problem don't even own the product in question and like all forums, turns into an epidemic for the slightest cough. So much is second hand ... "My brothers mates girlfriend's dad had an SY Territory and the ball joints apparently made the car explode."

Yes, most who own a Territory are not even on here .... I know plenty and they wouldn't even know what a ball joint is and are more than happy with their's. I have known a few that have over 300,000 and still going strong.

Tales of heartache ...... Like every single model of car ever made in the history of cars there has been those that do not like or have had issues. Depending on the expectations determines the extent of heartache I suppose.

Not saying that there are not problems, most have been addressed, there is a group that keep popping up with the same drama that is fixable out of warranty and most who carry on don't even own one. I do, its an SY and coming on 100,000 k's has its original ball joints. No I am not alone

Obviously you own one that has had problems. Sorry about that but I am sure you have had things rectified. Yes the article is fair ....... until the ZF was mentioned which is a reason to buy the car ..... not avoid it.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Take your tin hat off, the whole "media biased" against ford is old, tyring, and just stupid.

Makes us as ford fans look like a buch of un-intelligent basement dwellers...

It's a recent change in attitude.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Obviously you own one that has had problems. Sorry about that but I am sure you have had things rectified.

No. I don't own a Territory. Thank goodness. I do, though, own a Fiesta: I suggest you read "WS Fiesta - Alternative Review" in the Fiesta section of this forum and try defending Ford's actions (or inactions) on that case... And despite chasing Ford I haven't had ANY problems rectified (well, besides $10K worth of rust that required the involvement of Fair Trading NSW.....)

But, I digress....

This problem with Ford extends far beyond the Territory and its issues being slammed (rightfullt so) in the media.

While I don't own one, my parents did: and the balljoints failed. After it was fixed, they sold it. My best mate also owned one and the balljoints failed. And no, neither one is a member of this forum, hence my previous comment. Two from two (the only people I know directly with Territorys) ain't good - the fact that Ford released the vehicle with such a fault, a fault obviously known to Ford only makes it worse. Throw in my Fez and Ford fails 3 from 3. So with these results, I ask would any sane person readily hand over their hard earned for another Ford product?

Sorry to point out the obvious, but my parents didn't buy a Ford as a replacement vehicle. And have no intention of doing so ever again.... Therein lies Ford's problem, and why a large chunk of their market share is going Mazda/Hyundai-Kia's way...

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

No. I don't own a Territory. Thank goodness. I do, though, own a Fiesta: I suggest you read "WS Fiesta - Alternative Review" in the Fiesta section of this forum and try defending Ford's actions (or inactions) on that case... And despite chasing Ford I haven't had ANY problems rectified (well, besides $10K worth of rust that required the involvement of Fair Trading NSW.....)

But, I digress....

This problem with Ford extends far beyond the Territory and its issues being slammed (rightfullt so) in the media.

While I don't own one, my parents did: and the balljoints failed. After it was fixed, they sold it. My best mate also owned one and the balljoints failed. And no, neither one is a member of this forum, hence my previous comment. Two from two (the only people I know directly with Territorys) ain't good - the fact that Ford released the vehicle with such a fault, a fault obviously known to Ford only makes it worse. Throw in my Fez and Ford fails 3 from 3. So with these results, I ask would any sane person readily hand over their hard earned for another Ford product?

Sorry to point out the obvious, but my parents didn't buy a Ford as a replacement vehicle. And have no intention of doing so ever again.... Therein lies Ford's problem, and why a large chunk of their market share is going Mazda/Hyundai-Kia's way...

Those were dark times for Ford. FoA probably couldn't afford the recall. And FoMoCo certainly wouldn't have foot the bill as the then company was run by *******, and they were massively in debt.

The WS fiesta was German built... so I'm puzzled over the rust.

[HUNTER8]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Sorry to point out the obvious, but my parents didn't buy a Ford as a replacement vehicle. And have no intention of doing so ever again.... Therein lies Ford's problem, and why a large chunk of their market share is going Mazda/Hyundai-Kia's way...

Focus and Fiesta were in the top 5 selling cars WORLDWIDE in 2011.
Best Mazda was the Mazda 3 which came in at position 53. the Mondeo sold more than the Mazda 6. Mazda is losing money,,,,,,,,,
Focus and Fiesta sales were more than double than Mazda 3.


Don't think Ford would see that as a problem.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

No. I don't own a Territory. Thank goodness.
...

Sold a car because the ball joints were rectified .......... double

I really do not know why you are here. Sell the Fiesta and move on. Life is too short ........ and it was nothing about not being able to afford it. Should it have been a recall? Possibly but effected only a % and is not a danger to those who do have them.

[Elks]

Terry ball joint were fixed with the intro of SYII, which is 07. So the intitial design effected less than 2 of the 7 years of Terry production but mud sticks.

We had an SYII. Ghia AWD. A brilliant car. We did near 100K in 2 1/2 years including towing a trailer through the outback. We had 1 small problem fixed on request I actually forget what it was LOL. It even had a ZF in it. Loved it. Better car than the C250 that replaced it. Ford dealer service, whist not perfect is better too.

As for the ZF only failures I know of was CAT600's FG but he was trying to put 540rwkw and 1000nm through it to large sticky tyres.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend or buy a Territory.

My 2c

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by Elks

Terry ball joint were fixed with the intro of SYII, which is 07. So the intitial design effected less than 2 of the 7 years of Terry production but mud sticks.

We had an SYII. Ghia AWD. A brilliant car. We did near 100K in 2 1/2 years including towing a trailer through the outback. We had 1 small problem fixed on request I actually forget what it was LOL. It even had a ZF in it. Loved it. Better car than the C250 that replaced it. Ford dealer service, whist not perfect is better too.

As for the ZF only failures I know of was CAT600's FG but he was trying to put 540rwkw and 1000nm through it to large sticky tyres.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend or buy a Territory.

My 2c

Thank you for your input into this argument Elks. You touched on the SYII released in 07 which rectified the ball joint issue. The article points to 2005-2009 models. So clearly the issue with ball joints can't be associated with SYII models. And as you pointed out, the ZF is almost faultless. As you would expect from Germans.

So it can't be said that we're all tinfoil hat, rose tinted glasses wearing conspiracy theorists. Lately articles from different media companies have been exaggerating, and twisting truths to spin Ford in a bad light, and Holden in a good light.

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by HUNTER8

Focus and Fiesta were in the top 5 selling cars WORLDWIDE in 2011.
Best Mazda was the Mazda 3 which came in at position 53. the Mondeo sold more than the Mazda 6. Mazda is losing money,,,,,,,,,
Focus and Fiesta sales were more than double than Mazda 3.


Don't think Ford would see that as a problem.

I'm not talking worldwide.

I'm talking in Australia.

I'm talking about hard working Aussies losing their jobs because of Ford AUS's incompetence. About innocent mechanics and salespeople (such as those at Dale Ford) losing their job because the people in charge of dealerships and running Ford AUS have absolutely nfi what they're doing (and this is being reflected in sales in AUS).

Of course Ford is safe worldwide - Ford in Europe is completely different to the basket case that is Aus. By 2020, with the Falcon gone and the FWD Taurus having failed (seriously no one will buy it, let alone fleets), Ford Aus will be an import only business - the Fiesta, Focus and commercial vehicles (the excellent mondeo being priced out of the market completely by then), sold from a massively reduced number of dealerships.

Where will that leave Aussie workers?

[aussie muscle]

since the OP didn't link to the article. here it is
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...tory_2005_2009

have at smithy by sending your comments to Graham Smith at grah.smith@bigpond.com (email taken from carsguide page).

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Sold a car because the ball joints were rectified .......... double Should it have been a recall? Possibly but effected only a % and is not a danger to those who do have them.

Glad you think that it was amusing.

I didn't. My parents didn't either.

But then again you weren't there, on the road, in the middle of a roundabout when the ball joints failed like they were. My mother was hysterical. You didn't have to race 30 mins to their assistance (Ford sure as **** didn't want to now about getting a tow truck to them...) No - I had to do all that.

The experience for them was horrendous - and I'd like to know on what grounds you can confidently state that collapsing ball joints were "not a danger to those who had them....." (sounds very much like Ford PR speak to me...)

It was sheer dumb luck that the failure didn't occur at a higher speed another time...... There have been numerous letters sent in to Carsguides Graham Smith about balljoints collapsing in roundabouts/carparks/roads: again, this is not an isolated incident - Ford is just lucky no one was killed fanging through a national park when they decided to fail....

I can only assume that, perhaps, if Ford's negligence affected someone close to you, you would understand.

So after such an experience, I'm sure you can understand why my mother refused to get back in the car even after it was repaired: she was convinced something else was going to go wrong, despite myself trying to convince her otherwise.

My thread tells why I can't sell and "move on". I'm acutely aware that Ford Aus monitors this site. I'm aware of two members who have had serious problems (eventually) rectified - one after a member constantly slammed City Ford online for months and the bad publicity was starting to affect business as more and more people became aware of this guys' dealings with City Ford - due to the pressure this site can put on Ford Aus. I'm just waiting for someone from Ford Aus to man up, take responsibility for their product and fix it: I've exhausted their "customer service" system and unless I'm prepared to pour thousands at a lawyer, their ain't much else I can do....

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Glad you think that it was amusing.

I didn't. My parents didn't either.

But then again you weren't there, on the road, in the middle of a roundabout when the ball joints failed like they were. My mother was hysterical. You didn't have to race 30 mins to their assistance (Ford sure as **** didn't want to now about getting a tow truck to them...) No - I had to do all that.

The experience for them was horrendous - and I'd like to know on what grounds you can confidently state that collapsing ball joints were "not a danger to those who had them....." (sounds very much like Ford PR speak to me...)

It was sheer dumb luck that the failure didn't occur at a higher speed another time...... There have been numerous letters sent in to Carsguides Graham Smith about balljoints collapsing in roundabouts/carparks/roads: again, this is not an isolated incident - Ford is just lucky no one was killed fanging through a national park when they decided to fail....

I can only assume that, perhaps, if Ford's negligence affected someone close to you, you would understand.

So after such an experience, I'm sure you can understand why my mother refused to get back in the car even after it was repaired: she was convinced something else was going to go wrong, despite myself trying to convince her otherwise.

My thread tells why I can't sell and "move on". I'm acutely aware that Ford Aus monitors this site. I'm aware of two members who have had serious problems (eventually) rectified - one after a member constantly slammed City Ford online for months and the bad publicity was starting to affect business as more and more people became aware of this guys' dealings with City Ford - due to the pressure this site can put on Ford Aus. I'm just waiting for someone from Ford Aus to man up, take responsibility for their product and fix it: I've exhausted their "customer service" system and unless I'm prepared to pour thousands at a lawyer, their ain't much else I can do....

sounds like someone needs a hug.....

[Mercury 8]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Glad you think that it was amusing.

I didn't. My parents didn't either.

But then again you weren't there, on the road, in the middle of a roundabout when the ball joints failed like they were. My mother was hysterical. You didn't have to race 30 mins to their assistance (Ford sure as **** didn't want to now about getting a tow truck to them...) No - I had to do all that.

The experience for them was horrendous - and I'd like to know on what grounds you can confidently state that collapsing ball joints were "not a danger to those who had them....." (sounds very much like Ford PR speak to me...)

It was sheer dumb luck that the failure didn't occur at a higher speed another time...... There have been numerous letters sent in to Carsguides Graham Smith about balljoints collapsing in roundabouts/carparks/roads: again, this is not an isolated incident - Ford is just lucky no one was killed fanging through a national park when they decided to fail....

I can only assume that, perhaps, if Ford's negligence affected someone close to you, you would understand.



So after such an experience, I'm sure you can understand why my mother refused to get back in the car even after it was repaired: she was convinced something else was going to go wrong, despite myself trying to convince her otherwise.

My thread tells why I can't sell and "move on". I'm acutely aware that Ford Aus monitors this site. I'm aware of two members who have had serious problems (eventually) rectified - one after a member constantly slammed City Ford online for months and the bad publicity was starting to affect business as more and more people became aware of this guys' dealings with City Ford - due to the pressure this site can put on Ford Aus. I'm just waiting for someone from Ford Aus to man up, take responsibility for their product and fix it: I've exhausted their "customer service" system and unless I'm prepared to pour thousands at a lawyer, their ain't much else I can do....

I find it amusing that after months of bagging Ford and jumping into every thread to give Ford a kicking that you now were involved in another Ford vehicle with faults and you have never mentioned it before that I have seen, and one of your mates had the exact same fault and yet not a murmor untill someone questions you. LOL. Sounds a bit fishy to me. Maybe i'm wrong but after reading your posts in the other section I find it hard to believe you have not bagged Ford and it's dealers over the alledged Territory failures until now!

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

since the OP didn't link to the article. here it is
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...tory_2005_2009

have at smithy by sending your comments to Graham Smith at grah.smith@bigpond.com (email taken from carsguide page).

Sorry. I usually do add the link.

And before the thread is locked... thanks for that. And thanks for everyone who contributed.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Mercury 8

I find it amusing that after months of bagging Ford and jumping into every thread to give Ford a kicking that you now were involved in another Ford vehicle with faults and you have never mentioned it before that I have seen, and one of your mates had the exact same fault and yet not a murmor untill someone questions you. LOL. Sounds a bit fishy to me. Maybe i'm wrong but after reading your posts in the other section I find it hard to believe you have not bagged Ford and it's dealers over the alledged Territory failures until now!

And what could be worse then a Ford owner complaining about their ford and dealer experience, on a ford website...

[TMC]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

My point being 95%+ of owners of affected Territories aren't on this forum. Their tales of heartache haven't been told. The fact that this forum is obviously full of pro Ford people (as it should be) has lessened the impact of the severity of the Territorys failings on here. The Carsguide article is accurate and fair, end of story.

How many are happy with their Territory's and say nothing? How many are not on this forum who are happy with their Territory's? Probably thousands. They're everywhere. If they were ALL lemons, no one would own them. We generally only hear negatives.

[Mercury 8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

And what could be worse then a Ford owner complaining about their ford and dealer experience, on a ford website...

There is a difference between complaining about a bad experience and trolling.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Glad you think that it was amusing.

I didn't. My parents didn't either.

But then again you weren't there, on the road, in the middle of a roundabout when the ball joints failed like they were. My mother was hysterical. You didn't have to race 30 mins to their assistance (Ford sure as **** didn't want to now about getting a tow truck to them...) No - I had to do all that.

The experience for them was horrendous - and I'd like to know on what grounds you can confidently state that collapsing ball joints were "not a danger to those who had them....." (sounds very much like Ford PR speak to me...)

It was sheer dumb luck that the failure didn't occur at a higher speed another time...... There have been numerous letters sent in to Carsguides Graham Smith about balljoints collapsing in roundabouts/carparks/roads: again, this is not an isolated incident - Ford is just lucky no one was killed fanging through a national park when they decided to fail....

I can only assume that, perhaps, if Ford's negligence affected someone close to you, you would understand.

So after such an experience, I'm sure you can understand why my mother refused to get back in the car even after it was repaired: she was convinced something else was going to go wrong, despite myself trying to convince her otherwise.

My thread tells why I can't sell and "move on". I'm acutely aware that Ford Aus monitors this site. I'm aware of two members who have had serious problems (eventually) rectified - one after a member constantly slammed City Ford online for months and the bad publicity was starting to affect business as more and more people became aware of this guys' dealings with City Ford - due to the pressure this site can put on Ford Aus. I'm just waiting for someone from Ford Aus to man up, take responsibility for their product and fix it: I've exhausted their "customer service" system and unless I'm prepared to pour thousands at a lawyer, their ain't much else I can do....

From what I can gather the ball joints can only ever fail at full steering lock with maximum pressure on the steering at the time, which would only ever occur at low speed and tight manuevering. Hence the only times I have ever heard of a Territory ball joint failing has been in a carpark.

Which is more than likely why Ford never issued a full recall on them, as it should never occur at a speed high enough to injure someone.

Unless I have this info wrong.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by TMC

How many are happy with their Territory's and say nothing? How many are not on this forum who are happy with their Territory's? Probably thousands. They're everywhere. If they were ALL lemons, no one would own them. We generally only hear negatives.

I see heaps of Territories on local streets.

And it's still the most popular SUV right now isn't it?