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30-10-2011, 10:31 AM | #31 | |||
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As i said... in LARGE roundabouts you need to indicate when exiting, even moreso if your in a multilane round about. If your turning right in a large roundabout your typically in the INSIDE lane, in order to exit your must cross the outside lane of the roundabout. The law requires ALL traffic give way to cars already on the round about, however a lot of drivers do not understand this rule at all. A lot of drivers on the outside lane of a roundabout, will see a car on the inside lane of a roundabout and think they can pull out into the flow of traffic. This is not the case. A car on the inside lane has the right of way as he needs to exit so will end up crossing in front of a car on the outside lane. Hence you need to indicate.
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30-10-2011, 01:06 PM | #32 | |||
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30-10-2011, 01:30 PM | #33 | |||
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30-10-2011, 01:34 PM | #34 | ||
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There are several posts here that indicate an alarming ignorance of what a roundabout is. The is no such thing as "going straight through" a roundabout or "turning left/right" in a roundabout. A roundabout is like a highway and all the streets leading into it are side streets. It doesn't matter whether one of those streets is the Pacific Highway and another is a cul-de-sac, they all have the same status. You give way when entering the roundabout from any of them and left indicate to exit into any of them immediately before (even on a small roundabout). If you're passing the first exit on the left you put your right indicator on until you reach your exit, then you left indicate. That's the law - nationally.
On general use of indicators (or lack thereof) I think you'll find that's often because one hand is used for the steering wheel and the other hand that should be free for the indicator is holding a mobile phone, ipad, ipod, lipstick, newspaper, body part etc. |
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30-10-2011, 01:40 PM | #35 | |||
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On a small roundabout when travelling straight you dont have time to indicate your exit (heading straight). Hence the term in the road rules... where practical.
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30-10-2011, 02:53 PM | #36 | ||
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Yes I'm aware of the discretionary "where practical" Jim but in most roundabouts it's possible to left indicate in time.
But there you go using the expression "straight ahead"! There is no "straight ahead" in a roundabout no matter how small. That's the fundamental misunderstanding Australians have of roundabouts. Unfortunately it leads to the prevalent accident-causing practice of what I call "charging the roundabout" where drivers have the mindset that they are in the "main road" and going "straight ahead" so they approach the roundabout at a speed that discourages anyone else entering from another street even though they were there first, in order to avoid an accident. Roundabouts don't work so well in Australia as e.g. UK where everyone understands how they work. It's not helped by the instructions from road authorities here that use the expressions "turning left" and "turning right" when explaining how to use roundabouts. No wonder nobody understands. |
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30-10-2011, 03:02 PM | #38 | |||
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30-10-2011, 05:17 PM | #39 | |||
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My way of thinking is that it is to signal your intentions. IE: RH blinker on to let others know that you are going to pass the vehicle in front, LH blinker on to tell them that your coming back over. When they are actually passing why is it on? are they then going to turn right (Of course the other reason for not leaving it on when on the wrong side of the road, especially at night, is that it wouldn't attract the attention of Mr Plods that might think they have a potential customer. Perhaps those who leave the (right hand) indicator on all the time whilst overtaking should leave the left one on when they are not
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30-10-2011, 05:51 PM | #40 | ||
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i never indicate when leaving a roundabout as my teacher never taught me that i see some ppl do it others dont seems to be just up to the individual
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30-10-2011, 06:16 PM | #41 | ||
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I've noticed Mum won't indicate when she's driving around the housing estates, or when you're up to an end lane on the freeway and you have to merge right, she won't indicate.
I indicate just about everywhere, if people know what I'm doing hopefully we avoid an accident, lol. The only time I won't indicate is for example, you're going down a street and someone in front is turning right, legally if you where to go around them you have to indicate left, pass them then indicate right again to come back onto the road. I'm not going to do that because if I indicate left, someone in another intersecting road is going to think I'm turning into their road and they'll come out in front of me. |
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30-10-2011, 06:17 PM | #42 | |||
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30-10-2011, 06:34 PM | #43 | |||
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30-10-2011, 06:38 PM | #44 | |||
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30-10-2011, 06:53 PM | #45 | |||
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Another thing is with roundabouts, its not "give way to the right" here in Victoria, its "give way to ALL vehicles in the roundabout", so basically who ever gets in first has right of way regardless if another vehicle is on your right side, if you're passed the dotted lines first you've got right of way rather than the person on your right who is approaching the lines. I hate roundabouts, if its that bad you need a multi lane roundabout, and theres many cars going through you should just turn it into an intersection with traffic lights, roundabouts should only be used for housing estates, or in Sunbury which is roundabout city, its like the testing grounds for roundabouts I reckon, they've got some stupid ones with pedestrian crossings basically inside the roundabout, so while you're busy looking for cars, someone would be crossing the road in front of you while you're not looking directly in front. |
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30-10-2011, 06:56 PM | #46 | |||
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for sure on the small mickey mouse ones we have in surburbia, i don't always, but anything that is big enough for a truck to go through i do - it is the law and it is not up to me to decide which ones i agree with . . . . although i agree with this one |
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30-10-2011, 06:56 PM | #47 | |||
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seriously, there is no 'straight ahead'. |
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30-10-2011, 06:57 PM | #48 | ||
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30-10-2011, 07:01 PM | #49 | |||
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http://g.co/maps/hsc2k Go through the roundabout, to me that is going "straight ahead". And that stupid roundabout is one that SHOULD BE BLOODY TRAFFIC LIGHTS! It gets that busy because it basically links the 4 major parts of the town. Look where the freakin' pedestrian crossing is as well. Another stupid "roundabout": http://g.co/maps/mfwfz |
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30-10-2011, 07:06 PM | #50 | ||
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Getting Back to the Blinkers................... My comment is No Blinker No Brain, People who do not indicate when merging Left/Right or changing lanes are just pure lazy, I do know a lady in her 70's who refuses to use her Indicators while driving.......... I asked her why & she replied she feels she doe's not feel like using them, She will kill some-one one day................. So stay away from the Central Coast as thats where she lives !!!
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30-10-2011, 07:16 PM | #51 | |||
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I blame the road authorities for all this for not explaining it properly! Until folk understand this we'll continue to get lack of proper signalling and accidents at roundabouts. |
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30-10-2011, 07:17 PM | #52 | |||
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30-10-2011, 07:20 PM | #53 | ||
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Thanks for every ones replies, vast majority agree with me. Does anyone think they are not required. Surely some members are guilty of not using them...their input would be interesting, might spark some hot debate. Hmmmm.
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30-10-2011, 07:28 PM | #54 | |||
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obviously they wouldn't be 'giving way' but a simple indication would make them aware that you are exiting, rather than risk them trying to join you in your passenger seat. slightly off topic, i have actually been straight through a roundabout before. i mean 'straight' as in not turning. i was quite young and had a bushbasher and it went everywhere |
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30-10-2011, 07:38 PM | #55 | ||||
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You're basically just driving around an obstruction, but you're going straight (directly opposite) from the road you came out of. In that gap road roundabout, never, ever will you indicate other than where you are turning, I bet you 100% if you tried the indicate left stunt you'd cause a massive pile-up. Also here is the VicRoads website which mentions roundabouts, it says if practical signal left when you exit the roundabout so it is a law here: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...oundabouts.htm Under the section: Going straight ahead Quote:
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30-10-2011, 07:48 PM | #56 | ||
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30-10-2011, 08:00 PM | #57 | |||
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Then the council came along and took away the lights, and put the roundabout there (I think in the late '80s). Local panel beaters must have been running short of work. Then the pedestrian crossings came later. I read sometime ago they are going to put lights back there, but the way things happen in Sunbury I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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30-10-2011, 08:02 PM | #58 | |||
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30-10-2011, 08:07 PM | #59 | |||
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It doesn't cut the mustard now Sunbury is pushing 31,000 people and the town is getting very busy. |
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30-10-2011, 08:13 PM | #60 | |||
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even with the pedestrian crossing, i don't understand what the problem is. you go when it is safe, you wait when it is not |
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