Hoon Laws

[388cube_edxr8]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Er.. sorry but it isnt enshrined in law that you have a "right to drive".... its priviledge
There is no such thing.

They just tell us that to make us think that they can take away our right to drive on a whim for no obvious reason.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by xisled

LOL they make it sound like it was in with houses, but Ballan road is a huge road for the most of it has new estates with no houses or has only farm land around it.

Anywhere there are houses on Ballan road is a 70k zone and where there is only farm land it is a 90k zone.

Love how they say this

This comes as a spate of reckless driving behaviour on Wyndham roads last week shocked police, including a P-Plater clocked at 90km/h over the limit in a Wyndham Vale residential area.

The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land.

These laws are a joke, they do not do anything apart from win votes and make it look like the government is doing something.

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???
Maybe he's a CAMS licenced driver and he wasn't being "reckless" but if this isn't reckless behaviour on a public road, then I'll stand swinging!!
Question hoon laws all you like ,but some people maybe actually deserve to be dealt with as harshly as any given law can do so.
I have bitten my tongue on this type of post for the last few months but to hear someone defend this stuff because .... "The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land."
....do me a favour , throw the book at the clown who got caught... and throw the book at xisled when he too gets caught!!

[Halfmo Rocks]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???
Maybe he's a CAMS licenced driver and he wasn't being "reckless" but if this isn't reckless behaviour on a public road, then I'll stand swinging!!
Question hoon laws all you like ,but some people maybe actually deserve to be dealt with as harshly as any given law can do so.
I have bitten my tongue on this type of post for the last few months but to hear someone defend this stuff because .... "The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land."
....do me a favour , throw the book at the clown who got caught

+1

[grandpa_spec_F6]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???

This type of scenario would demand the following:

1. Future license to diplay "temporary australian citizen" on the front and back.

2. Person to pick out grave site / box for ashes within 7 days of offence.

3. Education through a registered driving school, costs paid by the offender with no criminal record, or jail time and criminal record if this is not chosen.

Just a draft idea but some parts might have some merits.

My main gripe with 'hoon' laws is they are unfairly used to target people and make both young and old car enthusiasts potential 'Cash Cows', ready to be milked.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_au

My main gripe with 'hoon' laws is they are unfairly used to target people and make both young and old car enthusiasts potential 'Cash Cows', ready to be milked.

I will tend to agree with you. I have become a little softer to you southerners over time, and think that you are probably being targeted very harshly for the most part, but after seeing so many of these type of scenarios, gee, one can't help but think what has to be done to get the message through to some(apparently many) people.My main gripe is that someone actually puts his(?her) hand up to defend these idiots!! That's another moron who hasn't been caught yet but is still out there ready to kill you or yours because you happen to just be driving "where it's mostly farms and not many houses!!", therefore it's OK!!

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

They just tell us that to make us think that they can take away our right to drive on a whim for no obvious reason.

You best find out what your rights are.... driving a car isnt one of them.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

I will tend to agree with you. I have become a little softer to you southerners over time, and think that you are probably being targeted very harshly for the most part, but after seeing so many of these type of scenarios, gee, one can't help but think what has to be done to get the message through to some(apparently many) people.My main gripe is that someone actually puts his(?her) hand up to defend these idiots!! That's another moron who hasn't been caught yet but is still out there ready to kill you or yours because you happen to just be driving "where it's mostly farms and not many houses!!", therefore it's OK!!

Defending the undefendable is becoming the great Australian passtime....
Everyone else does it, so it must be ok....
Unfortunately people keep missing the point that governments will use any little excuse to milk people for as much money as possible.
The amount of people on the road behaving badly is so apparent its not funny.
Yes no doubt the laws wont mean a decrease in stupid behavour (as being stuuupid is the in thing) but a government will act on this idiotic behavour in order to benefit itself, ie: more fines.... more penalties etc.

[davessleepin351]

i dont like defending people knowingly doing the wrong thing, but i caught myself doing 100 in a newly allocated 60 zone once, i was like "******" and slowed down immediately. I figured they were going to build up the surounding area or somthing. the road was 100 for years and years and people travelled it safely for years. Now i always do the posted speed limit through there, i cant help but think that im not much safer just slower. i would of hate to been caught for that. would of ruined my life for a while.

another thought of mine.. Everything especially driving has a built in risk. People accept that risk at different levels. For instance, speeding hot spots, people have deemed at some level of consciousness that the risk is acceptable at that speed then the posted limit.. if thats the case and with an acceptable accident history level shouldnt the limit be raised?

On that note, with all these re-evaluations of zoneage(spelling?) going on, has anyone seen any zoneage go up?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by 388cube_edxr8

I think it's wrong that a Government body can take possession of your car and do with it as they please.

Driving is not a privilege but a right, I earned my license through study and practice, I will drive my car at my own discretion. However, failing to comply with the rules of the road should result in fines and a negative impact on my license. I was given a license by the Government, on the condition that I comply with their rules, on their roads.

My car, however, was bought by me, as a result of a lot of hard work. It is mine, and solely mine. No part of it is owned by the Government. Temporarily impounding a car is bad enough, but tolerable if it will help get the genuinely dangerous drivers off the road for a bit. But permanent confiscation and destruction of a car is morally wrong, a little communist, an invasion of civil rights and a massive conflict of interest on the part of the Governing body.

It's legalized theft. But only of the Government does it. If anyone else tries it, it's a punishable criminal offense.

Most of this post is true. Getting a car permanently confiscated is like a 50,000 fine or however much your car is worth. I believe that is a bit harsh for doing a few burnouts.

And to the post above. I have never seen a limit increase. Even when the road has been massively improved.

[hendoau99]

i see it this way, if you do the crime you do the time. or pay a fine. i'm a law abiding p-plater, yes doing 90 sux but i stick to it coz i love driving and love my car. if you want to do burnouts and go quick, theres dedicated track days and burnout comps. in my area, they used an old airstrip to host a drag/dyno day. every 3 months. this has cut the amount of "hoon" activity down massively. and you can compete on bike or car from the age of 16, it allows people to free the beast, and being every 3 months, people are too bothered modding there cars for the next event, that they don't really hoon around in between meets. or on the flipside, go out to a farm and do burnouts and flog around in an old paddock basher. it's much more fun. type summerland drags into google, theres heaps of pics of awesome bikes and cars doing there thing on the airstrip i'm referring to.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by Linkachu

Anyone that plans on going to easternats better leave your modified car at home.
In Benalla they are going to cut off the main bridge so there is only one way through town. Any modified car will be put off the road even for the most stupidest of things.

This law hasnt been passed yet either for the 30 days first offence, but its going to be 30 days then crush/sell the car on 2nd offence.

I fail to see how they can class modified car drivers, attending this event as hoons. I think you'll find these enthusiasts (yes, enthusiasts, not just modified car owners) will have a big "arc" up at the coppers, if they try this sort of thing on them. After all, if there not trailered to the event, they have been approved modifications made to the driven cars.

You'll also find that 99.9% of the entrants are very well behaved, because the organisers will kick out the .1% that are trouble makers. This is because of all the negative media attention bought on by the .1%.


Personally, I see this threat of putting modified cars off the road and/or crushing them as a load of poppy.

[tyson_8238]

Reading a few of these comments I see a few people believe alot of these laws are revenue raising though this isnt the case. Not many people get the experience of watching a person die as a result of a traffic accident. Ive personally seen a 17 year old and a 20 year old die in front of me as a result of a traffic accident both involved offences being committed. These laws are in place to prevent this from happening and in my opinion arnt harsh enough.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by tyson_8238

Reading a few of these comments I see a few people believe alot of these laws are revenue raising though this isnt the case. Not many people get the experience of watching a person die as a result of a traffic accident. Ive personally seen a 17 year old and a 20 year old die in front of me as a result of a traffic accident both involved offences being committed. These laws are in place to prevent this from happening and in my opinion arnt harsh enough.

The penalty for murder is life imprisonment, there is no greater penalty.

That is why there has not been a single murder anywhere in Australia for the last 50 years......or has there.

I will believe that the traffic laws are not revenue raising when the penalties are ONLY custodial or community service based.

Or as that would never happen how about the states lose ALL monies raised from traffic fines to the Commonwealth to be spent on road improvements in every state other than the one where it originated.

[SlowF6]

Originally Posted by hendoau99

i see it this way, if you do the crime you do the time. or pay a fine. i'm a law abiding p-plater, yes doing 90 sux but i stick to it coz i love driving and love my car. if you want to do burnouts and go quick, theres dedicated track days and burnout comps. in my area, they used an old airstrip to host a drag/dyno day. every 3 months. this has cut the amount of "hoon" activity down massively. and you can compete on bike or car from the age of 16, it allows people to free the beast, and being every 3 months, people are too bothered modding there cars for the next event, that they don't really hoon around in between meets. or on the flipside, go out to a farm and do burnouts and flog around in an old paddock basher. it's much more fun. type summerland drags into google, theres heaps of pics of awesome bikes and cars doing there thing on the airstrip i'm referring to.

Originally Posted by tyson_8238

Reading a few of these comments I see a few people believe alot of these laws are revenue raising though this isnt the case. Not many people get the experience of watching a person die as a result of a traffic accident. Ive personally seen a 17 year old and a 20 year old die in front of me as a result of a traffic accident both involved offences being committed. These laws are in place to prevent this from happening and in my opinion arnt harsh enough.

Well said guys!

[Fled74]

Originally Posted by grandpa_spec_au

Is it just me, or did I only notice the sharp increase in "hoons" since the anti-hooning laws came in? Prior to that, I'd see a few stupid things, but now I see them everywhere.

P-Platers accelerating up to the speed limit with a non-factory exhaust... hoon!

Grandpa with his arm on the window sill and one hand on the steering wheel....hoon!

Business man in his Merc with a dark tint.... hoon!

They're everywhere I tell you! I've done the responsible thing and sold off all my possible 'hoon' cars and bikes, and like a good smug, green citizen, bought a prius.

I agree; it's turned into a witch hunt.

Originally Posted by svo supporter

I fail to see how they can class modified car drivers, attending this event as hoons.

Unfortunately the average citizen can't tell the difference between a hoon and a legitimate enthusiast, a problem compounded by the typical blanket-statement BS spouted by the media, police and the "guvmint."

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by hendoau99

i see it this way, if you do the crime you do the time. or pay a fine. i'm a law abiding ....

There was a time when being a Jew was a crime.
There was a time when you could buy fireworks for a party on Australia Day.
There was a time when you could ride a push bike without a helmet...
Those times have changed...but just because it is a law does not mean that it is right, nor that it is good for me.

[hendoau99]

i do agree with you gtp owner, p plate hoon laws are SOMETIMES unfairly applied to full license holders with tastefully modified cars.

[xisled]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

A "P" plater, doing 180k in a 90 zone, knowing (or should be knowing unless 18 year olds really are brain dead) the consequences of doing this, and someone comes on here and seemingly defends it???
Maybe he's a CAMS licenced driver and he wasn't being "reckless" but if this isn't reckless behaviour on a public road, then I'll stand swinging!!
Question hoon laws all you like ,but some people maybe actually deserve to be dealt with as harshly as any given law can do so.
I have bitten my tongue on this type of post for the last few months but to hear someone defend this stuff because .... "The area he was caught in has no houses around it just farm land.
where he got caught there is nothing but farm land."
....do me a favour , throw the book at the clown who got caught... and throw the book at xisled when he too gets caught!!

I was not defending what he did. I was just making a point that the media had got it wrong. I was showing how the media blow things out. I never once said his actions were ok. How would you like it if the police came and took your car, and you had done nothing wrong. They took it because you lent your car out, to a friend or family member.

I agree with what the police did, they got a driver off the road, in a months time.

In Victoria, the police can only suspend a licence straight away, if your drunk or drug affected. So this driver is still free to drive around for month, Maybe this should be changed.

But what I do not agree with is the police taking your car because someone else has driven it in a dangerous maner. I have been through it, I gave my car to my friend so he could tow a trailer. His son during the night took the car without anyone's permission and decided to go do burnouts and get caught. My car was impounded for 48 hours. On Tuesday I had to go pick up the car from Preston (Melbourne) cost me $328. But being my car was impounded on Thursday night and Monday being a public holiday. I did not get my car back to Tuesday. The choices I had were to charge my friends son with theft, and wait for it to go through and still pick the car up on Tuesday (he is 15) or I pay the fine. I paid the fine, and got the car back, I did not charge my friends son as, him going to court and facing a magistrate was enough of a punishment.

Please re read my post and tell me where I say it is ok for him to speed.

My whole point was about the article and how they got some of the facts wrong.

[tyson_8238]

you guys make some very good points and it is the P platers that are causing the issues. There are alot of things in place to prevent P platers from committing these life dangering offences. Such has only 4 demerits, displaying P plates to make them stand out as a novice (reckless driver), also a new one is the hoon hotline which has been quite effective. Though not all P platers arnt bad there is enough to cause great concern.

[tyson_8238]

Originally Posted by flappist

The penalty for murder is life imprisonment, there is no greater penalty.

That is why there has not been a single murder anywhere in Australia for the last 50 years......or has there.

I will believe that the traffic laws are not revenue raising when the penalties are ONLY custodial or community service based.

Or as that would never happen how about the states lose ALL monies raised from traffic fines to the Commonwealth to be spent on road improvements in every state other than the one where it originated.

A fatal traffic accident costs approxiamatly 2 million dollars which comes from the tax payers fund. This covers Police, Forensic Crash Unit, Ambos, Fire and Rescue, Detectives, and the extensive long aftermath of politicians sitting in their chairs figuring out why and how it happened and what programs or ideas can put in place to fix it.

The last murder that I know of happened in Manly West in Brisbane it was a murder suicide about 4 months ago.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by tyson_8238

you guys make some very good points and it is the P platers that are causing the issues. There are alot of things in place to prevent P platers from committing these life dangering offences. Such has only 4 demerits, displaying P plates to make them stand out as a novice (reckless driver), also a new one is the hoon hotline which has been quite effective. Though not all P platers arnt bad there is enough to cause great concern.

Are you being serious? The hoon hotline has been shown to be a farce. And then we get yet another p plater bashing thrown in with a few usual cliche's. Some people must truly forget what it is like to be 19 and full of testosterone, or perhaps they were perfect little angels that never ever thought of breaking a law or two.

And Flappist is pointing out that just because there is a law, and the penalty is harsh, does not mean that it will stop the offense. Drugs into Bali? Life or capital punishment. Yet people still do it. Hoon? Perhaps if we have capital punishment it will stop them too?

[xisled]

The hoon hotline in melbourne, was scrapped and the number was replaced by the crime stoppers. Because it was useless.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by tyson_8238

A fatal traffic accident costs approxiamatly 2 million dollars which comes from the tax payers fund. This covers Police, Forensic Crash Unit, Ambos, Fire and Rescue, Detectives, and the extensive long aftermath of politicians sitting in their chairs figuring out why and how it happened and what programs or ideas can put in place to fix it.

The last murder that I know of happened in Manly West in Brisbane it was a murder suicide about 4 months ago.

$2,000,000......well theay is a lot of MONEY
MONEY
MONEY
MONEY
THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT

Why do you wowsers, do gooders and public vegetables realise that not all problems can be solved with the spending of money that you do not actually have.

Here is an idea, every time someone in a public service position makes a mistake or uses their position to push their personal agenda they are jailed and all their property and chattels forfeited to the crown even if the mistake was actually made by someone else who was doing their job at the time.

Seems about as fair as the hoon laws......

[tyson_8238]

Its working in QLD quite nicely plus its a good scare tactic to get out there to let P platers knows theres one phone number for targetting the behaviour.

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by tyson_8238

Its working in QLD quite nicely plus its a good scare tactic to get out there to let P platers knows theres one phone number for targetting the behaviour.

Who says it's working? There are a few threads on this topic, but generally they are used by serial do-gooder pests to annoy someone who beeped them in the supermarket carpark.
If it did work, then there would be less hoon charges since its inception....but we know that this is not the case. So who says it's working? The pollies pushing it as some stupid solution

[flappist]

Originally Posted by tyson_8238

Its working in QLD quite nicely plus its a good scare tactic to get out there to let P platers knows theres one phone number for targetting the behaviour.

P platers?

Scare them?

Yep, another one.

Now grab your hammer and get back under your bridge, there are billygoats coming....

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by xisled

I was not defending what he did. I was just making a point that the media had got it wrong. I was showing how the media blow things out. I never once said his actions were ok. How would you like it if the police came and took your car, and you had done nothing wrong. They took it because you lent your car out, to a friend or family member.

I agree with what the police did, they got a driver off the road, in a months time.

In Victoria, the police can only suspend a licence straight away, if your drunk or drug affected. So this driver is still free to drive around for month, Maybe this should be changed.

But what I do not agree with is the police taking your car because someone else has driven it in a dangerous maner. I have been through it, I gave my car to my friend so he could tow a trailer. His son during the night took the car without anyone's permission and decided to go do burnouts and get caught. My car was impounded for 48 hours. On Tuesday I had to go pick up the car from Preston (Melbourne) cost me $328. But being my car was impounded on Thursday night and Monday being a public holiday. I did not get my car back to Tuesday. The choices I had were to charge my friends son with theft, and wait for it to go through and still pick the car up on Tuesday (he is 15) or I pay the fine. I paid the fine, and got the car back, I did not charge my friends son as, him going to court and facing a magistrate was enough of a punishment.

Please re read my post and tell me where I say it is ok for him to speed.

My whole point was about the article and how they got some of the facts wrong.

So I re- read your post and the original artilce....
"Wyndham Highway Patrol detected a driver, 18, as he sped along Ballan Rd at 160km/h, 90km/h over the limit, on January 3." Can't really see how or where anyone has blown this completely out of proportion?? Given that you say most of this road is farms, or new estates with no houses in them(which I assume are still classed as residential areas), it is not apparent to me from the article or the cops statement that he wasn't caught in a residential area.If this is what you mean by the press blowing it completely out of proportion then I would suggest you have a penchant for the over-dramatic.Wether the guy was in a 70 zone or a 90 zone,(residential or rural??) he was still charged for exceeding the limit by 90km/h. I stand by what I said in my initial post, that an 18 yo P plater "guilty" of this,and being aware of the consequences, should have the book thrown at him, and I still see nothing in your post that doesn't read to me that you tacitly defend or condone his actions.

[tyson_8238]

I work for the QPS and just in our station alone were giving out approxiamatly 25 tickets a week without even leaving the station thats proof enough imho

[tyson_8238]

Flappist any scare tactic is good in my opinion like I said before about the 17 old dying in a traffic accident. His mate was doing "circle work" in a paddack and the vehicle has rolled over.
There were five 17 year olds in the vehicle seeing the horror in their faces of the other 4 as they watched there friend die was indescribable. These stories should be made known of anything to stop stupid behaviour.

[snypereb]

Its simple dont loan it to someone you know is a hoon or speeds.