Why would you bother with a fast car in Vic?

[XR_6falcon]

Originally Posted by XWGT

and get done for 126kph...........by an aerial speed check!

How does an aerial speed check even work??

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by XR_6falcon

How does an aerial speed check even work??

times you between two fixed points on the road.

[302 XC]

I dont understand this "High powered fast car" thing

My 3 tonne 4x4 has been at speeds of 140Ks plus,the 3t 4x4 diesel before that has been at those speeds as well
The ol diesel 4x4 was non turbo and certainly isnt the fasted or most powerfull 4x4 out there
They are and were both bought for there towing capabilities
So the high powered thing doesnt wash,sorry
Surely any half brain would know to accelorate from 90-95-100Ks with the hammer down will get ya over the limit and in the danger zone very quickly
At which point did ya mate bother to check his speed ???

As is mentioned in this thread,its not the car that does the damage its the knuckle head behind the wheel

So your mates not fine with walking or public transport,
How would the person he may have hit feel if they were wheel chair bound for life

edit
Mate got hit on his motorbike from the rear by someone who didnt see him
The driver of the car copped a fine and licence suspension
Mate is now a Quadraplegic
Driver does not contribute towards anything from the damage he incured

[Ben73]

Speeding around other cars is dangerous. But in the middle of no where with not another car in sight and good visibility breaking the limit a bit is not very dangerous at all. Couple weeks ago I may of got done at a mobile speed camera. Straight road, No side streets, not a moving car in sight, clear weather and may of been doing 10 over. If so I can say goodbye to 4 or 5 points for doing nothing very dangouours at all. If it was rainy and there was cars everywhere and I was coming around a bend then fair enough, but it was the complete opposite.

[bingoTE50]

The OP said his mate was overtaking a couple of cars and boats doing less than the speed limit .( 4 cars) The point is ,shall he only accelerate up to 100km/h and take hundreds of metres rounding them up , or, as I do ,boot it and get around asap to limit any probs.
I suppose he could have sat behind them ,this was an option as well !!!

As far as owning fast cars goes ,most small cars can top 160 k's these days ,so in my opinion ,the speed limits do not dictate to me what I should drive.But indirectly ,rego cost,insurance costs,and ultimately fuel costs ,will make that decision for me .

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by ST

146 is considerably over any Vic speed limit. While I don't necessarily agree with speed limits in vic if he is overtaking at that speed he is either going way too hard or overtaking cars already well above the limit.

hahaha, way too fast?? We were doing those speeds 40 years ago on cross-ply tyres, leaf spring suspension, and drum brakes on dirt roads... Still stunned I have never had a speeding ticket, ever.

[fmc351]

This thread is a wonderful argument for anyone supporting the banning of anything with more grunt than a Pfaff sowing machine.

[ST]

Originally Posted by Brazen

hahaha, way too fast?? We were doing those speeds 40 years ago on cross-ply tyres, leaf spring suspension, and drum brakes on dirt roads... Still stunned I have never had a speeding ticket, ever.

You have completely misinterpreted my post.

I said way too hard, not way too fast. As in he would've had to of put some form of effort in order to exceed the speed limit by that extent, or at least noticed the difference on his speedometer.

I also said I don't necessarily agree with the speed limits imposed on us here in Vic.

[Neale]

if you want to go fast go do a track day.

Heres a comparo,

I got done speeding on Mountain Straight, Mount Panoramma, (yes a race track but also a public road) last month, I was overtaking a slower car that speed up when I went to pass them. Anyway I stuffed up. My bad. That cost me $361

If you get a LS2 CAMS licence you can do private practice days at almost any racetrack in aus. Go as fast as you want all day at Eastern Creek for $135 a day.

Suddenly track days are pretty cheap

[TheInterceptor]

Haha, my soob has around 52kw at the flywheel. It still made it to 120 once.

I go hard out on the highway on hills, it actually slows down not speeds up......
But thats ok, the falcon makes up for it.... it eats up the highway like nothing

[TheInterceptor]

Originally Posted by Neale

I got done speeding on Mountain Straight, Mount Panoramma, (yes a race track but also a public road) last month, I was overtaking a slower car that speed up when I went to pass them. Anyway I stuffed up. My bad. That cost me $361

Mate you think thats bad...try being nicked doing 110 (i think, it wasen't me by the way). I think it was a $1600 fine and enough points to make your eyes water.

First its a racetrack, concrete walls and sandtraps everywhere. No side road's (there's driveways but you cant hit them going the right way)
No pedestrians (apart from Constable Kodak at the very top of Conrod straight with his little radar gun behind the concrete wall and tree overhang...)
So theres no way that penalty is justified. I get that Mt Panorama is a 60 zone to stop people going nuts and it is a two way, but we're talking a very long empty straight with concrete barriers....

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Grobbo

And it's not like you can have any fun cutting loose below the speed limit either - hoon laws will have your car on a flatbed in no time...

So where do you enjoy the power 'worry free' then? At the strip? Is it really worth paying heaps for insurance, fuel, mods etc etc just for the occassional 13 or so seconds of fun?

I've had more of my share of quick cars and my next one will probably be another quick one - but at 40, I drive like a freakin' grandpa most of the time. I don't strip or track it and apart from an exhaust, I don't normally mod them. I just like the fact that I strap myself into a car that can break the speed limit in 5.5 seconds. The odd blat is enough to put a smile on my face.

[Rev28K]

My road car will get near a V8 Falcon or Commodore on lap times. It makes up for a lack of grunt by being a bit better at handling and braking.

While I am very, very rarely near 10/10ths on the road. I very much appreciate being able to outbrake and outhandle the average car, and the track experience has helped compared to the average "get a license and do nothing to improve my skills ever/believe that if I drive below the speed limit that is all I need to do to be a safe driver" motorist.

Quick cars and their enhanced braking and handling in a road car for me anyday thank you.

[Matt47569]

glad where i live i mostly drive on quieter suburban roads where i can generally drive how i want (no big freeways etc).. had license for 2 and a half years, drive everyday and have never gotten in my car and not sped. only have 1 fine for something stupid like 60 in 50.. so count myself lucky it wasnt worse. never speed through intersections and always on the look out for suss cars parked on the side of the road. very careful about it

i see 1 fine every year or 2 as a small price to pay

some may or may not agree with my logic

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Geez Louise

126 IS a bit excessive in a 100 zone.

Easy to do yes, but to try and justify it as okay is like saying having that extra drink that put you a little bit over is okay too.

For many years I wondered just how you Victorians got yourselves into such a guilt ridden nanny state.

The more I read on here the more obvious it becomes.

What makes a road "100km/h" limit other than a sign?
How is it that going faster than that sign is instantly dangerous?

And if this sign is so accurate and suitable why is exactly the same sign on multi-lane freeways as dirt tracks.....

Victoria has almost all of the speed cameras, the harshest most heavily enforced road rules and what appears to be the most submissive car owners yet has about the same average road toll as everywhere else.

How can that be?

[FTE217]

Flappist best post of the thread.....and they voted for Kevin Cant

[Danny]

An involutary foot spasm after a large fart had me in the F6 pushing 165.. it was awesome..

[FgNewbie]

Originally Posted by Matt47569

glad where i live i mostly drive on quieter suburban roads where i can generally drive how i want (no big freeways etc).. had license for 2 and a half years, drive everyday and have never gotten in my car and not sped. only have 1 fine for something stupid like 60 in 50.. so count myself lucky it wasnt worse. never speed through intersections and always on the look out for suss cars parked on the side of the road. very careful about it

i see 1 fine every year or 2 as a small price to pay

some may or may not agree with my logic

So many thoughts, so few words. The mind boggles.

[mrbaxr6t]

poor road design with sparse short overtaking lanes makes you look like an ahole when you pass some twat that is traveling way below the limit at the limit, if you do this you are the only car that gets past and every other car behind you gets stuck at 80 or whatever speed the grey nomad deems is safe given their vehicle/caravan combination, due to the short overtaking lane and the train of cars stuck behind the slow vehicle most blast past to allow for more than one car to pass the slow mover, this road design is pretty much a "perfect storm" in terms of speeding and license loss regardless of how fast your vehicle is as every car on the road can do 140kmh, this thread has touched on pi$$ poor road design and maintenance this is why you have the opinion of "why bother" I personally sent letters to the political candidates when we had the state election outlining the stupidity of road design that gets deployed in Victoria and speed cameras fixed and mobile I am yet to hear a response, too bad if I was going to use said response to choose whom to vote for huh...

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I've had more of my share of quick cars and my next one will probably be another quick one - but at 40, I drive like a freakin' grandpa most of the time. I don't strip or track it and apart from an exhaust, I don't normally mod them. I just like the fact that I strap myself into a car that can break the speed limit in 5.5 seconds. The odd blat is enough to put a smile on my face.

I think I agree with you the most of anyone.

I prob will get a V8 next, but maybe an auto this time, open up the exhaust a bit and listen to it slurring away 99.9% of the time, then allow myself the odd burst of acceleration and hope like hell I get away with it... :-)

[David222]

Originally Posted by flappist

For many years I wondered just how you Victorians got yourselves into such a guilt ridden nanny state.

The more I read on here the more obvious it becomes.

What makes a road "100km/h" limit other than a sign?
How is it that going faster than that sign is instantly dangerous?

And if this sign is so accurate and suitable why is exactly the same sign on multi-lane freeways as dirt tracks.....

Victoria has almost all of the speed cameras, the harshest most heavily enforced road rules and what appears to be the most submissive car owners yet has about the same average road toll as everywhere else.

How can that be?

Flappist for PM!

The government, RTA and police fixation on speed being the cause of all evil is just uncanny.

Government have managed to brainwash such a large percentage of the population into believing that the same magic safe number applies when it's 36 degrees bright and sunny visibility as far as the eye can see, as when it's pouring rain in the middle of the night, with reduced visibility and grip.

The limit should vary with the conditions, instead of trying to cater for the lowest common denominator all the time. Problem with people, being brainwashed that speed is the cause of all problems is that they think cause they are under the magic number that they are driving safely and can come to no harm, and cause no harm, as such they become complacent and do things they would not otherwise do while driving. Eg. tailgating, texting on phones, make up, breakfast, the list goes on.

Unfortunately this complacency the focus on speed has created is the last thing needed behind the wheel of any motor car. Speed is only a measurement of distance travelled/time which is only 1 component of driving safely the way all the nannies carry on you would think it was an all encompassing measure of how a vehicle is being driven. Up till now it's the only component the government has worked out how to make any serious revenue out of because of the ease of measuring it.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by bingoTE50

The OP said his mate was overtaking a couple of cars and boats doing less than the speed limit .( 4 cars) The point is ,shall he only accelerate up to 100km/h and take hundreds of metres rounding them up , or, as I do ,boot it and get around asap to limit any probs.
I suppose he could have sat behind them ,this was an option as well !!!

As far as owning fast cars goes ,most small cars can top 160 k's these days ,so in my opinion ,the speed limits do not dictate to me what I should drive.But indirectly ,rego cost,insurance costs,and ultimately fuel costs ,will make that decision for me .

Thanks for pointing that out, the guy's not really a hoon and drives through the country a lot, had a clean licence too I think.

I think the question is, would he have even bothered passing a row of cars and trailers in a lesser powered car? Maybe not. Then maybe he'd still have his licence...

But, he'd be bored anyway with his crap car... :-)

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by David222

Flappist for PM!

The government, RTA and police fixation on speed being the cause of all evil is just uncanny.

Government have managed to brainwash such a large percentage of the population into believing that the same magic safe number applies when it's 36 degrees bright and sunny visibility as far as the eye can see, as when it's pouring rain in the middle of the night, with reduced visibility and grip.

The limit should vary with the conditions, instead of trying to cater for the lowest common denominator all the time. Problem with people, being brainwashed that speed is the cause of all problems is that they think cause they are under the magic number that they are driving safely and can come to no harm, and cause no harm, as such they become complacent and do things they would not otherwise do while driving. Eg. tailgating, texting on phones, make up, breakfast, the list goes on.

Unfortunately this complacency the focus on speed has created is the last thing needed behind the wheel of any motor car. Speed is only a measurement of distance travelled/time which is only 1 component of driving safely the way all the nannies carry on you would think it was an all encompassing measure of how a vehicle is being driven. Up till now it's the only component the government has worked out how to make any serious revenue out of because of the ease of measuring it.

I saw once on telly they had a Road Saftey expert saying it was distraction that caused more accidents, not speed.

They had quite a compelling arguement and the cops had nothing to counter it aside from thier usual 'speed is a factor in the majority of accidents'...

But then they discovered that the coppas will say speed is a factor in as many crashes as possible, even if the cars were below the speed limit.

It's a big statistical con.

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by Geez Louise

126 IS a bit excessive in a 100 zone.

Easy to do yes, but to try and justify it as okay is like saying having that extra drink that put you a little bit over is okay too.

Ok just to put things in perspective

Yes in isolation 126 is excessing.

However this was in a line of traffic easily 30 cars long and another 30 behind, all banked up behing a horse float doing around 80 in a part of a major highway that comes down to single lane on a public holiday 250 klms from Melbourne.

Now, there is one overtaking lane on that stretch of road. So naturally, all cars hit the overtaking lane and try and get past the float. Out of courtesy all cars try and get past to allow the cars behind to also pass in the limited stretch.

So yes I was doing 126. However so were the 30 cars in front and the 30 behind..........all trying to get past the one horse float.

Now, once past we all calmed back down back to the speed limit........until a cop car jumped out from behind a tree and flagged me down.

Now I had done the speed limit for 250 klms..........as had everyone else........and would have continued to do the speed limit for the next 250 klms.......however the police chose to target the one overtaking lane for around 40 kilomoeteres on the main roaod heading east out of Victoria on a holiday weekend. And chose to book me for being over the speed limit for a brief period of time along with every other car on the road except one.

So once again, its a perspective thing. Yes I was speeding. But for how long, in what circumstance, and how does it collate with my overal driving behaviour for the entire trip.

Either way 1 month on the bench and a few hundrew $ in fines..........needless to say horse floats are no longer my favourite vehcile on the road.

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by XR_6falcon

How does an aerial speed check even work??

As posted above, times you between fixed points.

So if you think of the logistics involved in catching people speeding in an overtaking lane on a major highway..............one police helicopter......2 police interceptors (sitting hidden behind trees).

You would imagine there were better uses for such resources on a holiday weekend. Monash freeway / calder freeway / western highway / hume freeway spring to mind...............

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Is it dangerous in the city on multilane freeway with 30-40 cars within 20 seconds of you.. yes.

On a hwy with bugger all people around and avoiding being on the wrong side of the road for any longer than required.. No..

it's all very well for city police chief to say that you can't speed while overtaking when (if) he drives, it's on a four lane freeway. I Drive between Canberra and cooma a bit. over the 110kms of highway, there are 3 overtaking lanes. During winter it's bumper to bumper (bloody snow tourists).

i want to spend as little time as possible in the oncoming traffic lane. i regularly do 140 when overtaking. you need a lot of speed to get around some d/h because they speed up when someone tries to overtake, and the farmers that don't like to go over 90. There's also a lot of trucks so overloaded they slow to 30kph up every hill.

Gee, cut us some slack!

[302 XC]

To say "I only sped once in a trip and the rest was fine"
Is that like saying for the first 18 years of my life i didnt touch the grog
But on my 18th i did got done for DUI,but i was good for 18 years ???
(no it didnt happen,just an example)
Dont think either arguement stands up
They even have cameras (so im told,havent actually seen them yet)
That flash as the lights go green to picture the occasional wheels up action
A little wheel spin gets ya nabbed,whatever the excuse

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Ok just to put things in perspective

Yes in isolation 126 is excessing.

However this was in a line of traffic easily 30 cars long and another 30 behind, all banked up behing a horse float doing around 80 in a part of a major highway that comes down to single lane on a public holiday 250 klms from Melbourne.

Now, there is one overtaking lane on that stretch of road. So naturally, all cars hit the overtaking lane and try and get past the float. Out of courtesy all cars try and get past to allow the cars behind to also pass in the limited stretch.

So yes I was doing 126. However so were the 30 cars in front and the 30 behind..........all trying to get past the one horse float.

Now, once past we all calmed back down back to the speed limit........until a cop car jumped out from behind a tree and flagged me down.

Now I had done the speed limit for 250 klms..........as had everyone else........and would have continued to do the speed limit for the next 250 klms.......however the police chose to target the one overtaking lane for around 40 kilomoeteres on the main roaod heading east out of Victoria on a holiday weekend. And chose to book me for being over the speed limit for a brief period of time along with every other car on the road except one.

So once again, its a perspective thing. Yes I was speeding. But for how long, in what circumstance, and how does it collate with my overal driving behaviour for the entire trip.

Either way 1 month on the bench and a few hundrew $ in fines..........needless to say horse floats are no longer my favourite vehcile on the road.

Man that really sucks, I would say 99.9% of people would've done exactly the same thing. I wonder why they picked out your car from a line of speeding vehicles tho? Fricken unlucky man.

You should try driving in New Zealand - the roads are all like that - clogged single lanes with the odd passing lane on the straights, where everyone - horse floats included - absolutely plants boot. The most power/biggest risk taker wins, then everyone goes back to 85 km/h again once the passing lane has finished.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

To say "I only sped once in a trip and the rest was fine"
Is that like saying for the first 18 years of my life i didnt touch the grog
But on my 18th i did got done for DUI,but i was good for 18 years ???
(no it didnt happen,just an example)
Dont think either arguement stands up
They even have cameras (so im told,havent actually seen them yet)
That flash as the lights go green to picture the occasional wheels up action
A little wheel spin gets ya nabbed,whatever the excuse

Geez really? Better get me some smokeless tyres!

Taken from trafficlaw.com.au:

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

To say "I only sped once in a trip and the rest was fine"

One again, perspective is the key.

If I was doing 126 and everyone else was doing 100........correct........dangerous and increases the risk as it generates a speed differential between big heavy metal things that dont like hitting each other.

However when an entire line of cars is doing the same speed, with the same intention, within the same small amount of time (overtaking lanes only last around a klms) and are displaying courtesy to allow other road users to try and avoid a road blockage, it basically means everyone is on the same page and said being heavy metal objects have less of a chance of panel beating each other.

Moral of the story. Dont speed. And horse floats should be banned