FPV Sportswagon. - Page 2

Smoke Pursuit · 06-03-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kocho

I'd get a wagon before an SUV too. I hate the ride height of SUV's (for example the Terri) because they feel so airy.

I do like cars like the Subaru Outback though. I'd probably get that before a Falcon or Commodore wagon.

I think the Mondeo Wagon is a fantastic move by Ford before is suites families who want wagons but not as big as a Commodore of Falcon which are/were huge.

Feel so airy?? have you ever driven one?? I drove my Ghia for 50,000 kays, drove it very hard on country roads etc and i never once felt like i was goign to roll it, or lose control of it...

I guess that explains why i went thru 3 sets of tyres in 50,000 kms, must of been my cornering speed.

Id have another one again tomorrow if i had the room for it and the cook would drive it...

4Vman · 06-03-2009, 04:41 PM

Lets be honest.. this topic occurs nearly as regularly as the (insert current FPV model here) G.T.H.O topic does....
Its also doomed by the same inevitable outcomes too: lots of talkers, but not many buyers....

vztrt · 06-03-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FGXR6TUTE

Holden don't sell a Sportswagon, however they do offer a Sportwagon!

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Would you buy a station wagon with leaf springs in it compared to other offerings in the marketplace?

Would you buy a wagon with no real space in the back?

Smoke Pursuit · 06-03-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezza!

And how often to people who buy these cars actually need the AWD?

I'm from a large family (4 sisters and a brother) and our family car was an EBII Falcon Wagon (factory 5 speed too

) with a 3rd row seat in the back (making it an 8 seater). It was an ideal family car. It has been in the country all it's life but my parents never regretted not getting a 4WD. Our age gaps were enough that by the time the youngest were outgrowing the back, the oldest were getting our own cars and licences. It has more legroom in the back than the Territory. The only problem we had with visibility was trying to see around all the big 4WDs, and there was no problems with fitting baby seats etc. What I don't understand is families with 2 kids now seem to find a sedan is too small and must get a 4WD.

Well AWD is a big selling point for many people... As for having a falcon wagon with 8 seats and having more leg room in the back, you gotta be shittering me...

With the 2nd row moved foward in a territory the 3rd row occupants actually get their own foot well, something you dont get in a 8 seater wagon.. which i must also mention isnt factory and requires a mod plate.

I know what id prefer out of the 2, and it definately isnt a BFIII XT with some dicky seats in the boot.

GT0132 · 06-03-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

People who want wagons are still lving in the 1970's when they bought their first kingswood wagon... .

Ahhh the HQ Wagon....memories...memories....Our family car in the mid 70's.....bench front seat, 3 speed tri-matic on the column...no power steering...lift down tail gate (that rusted out) and wind up back window....metal wind deflectors on the rear pillars....ahhh those were the days.....I remember many a family holiday in the back section of the old HQ wagon fighting with my brither before rear seat belt laws came in...distant memory now....We had a gold coloured HQ...my uncle had a green one....and our neighbour had a white one ....crikey, it seems everyone had an HQ wagon back then.....memories...memories

Smoke Pursuit · 06-03-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Lets be honesat.. this topic occurs nearly as regularly as the (insert current FPV model here) G.T.H.O topic does....
Its also doomed by the same inevitable outcomes too: lots of talkers, but not many buyers....

Same old story.. you are right....

4Vman · 06-03-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Would you buy a wagon with no real space in the back?

Also known as a "Hatch".....
People buy the commodore hatch because...., well.... why not, in practical terms its no bigger than the sedan, its just got a bit more carry height in the boot.
The fact that for every hatch sold they sell 1 less sedan just shows its not hitting the mark as a true "wagon"....

2fishingdogs · 06-03-2009, 04:51 PM

I used to own a Au fairmont wagon a nice car with heap of room that hardly was used ( except when we used it as a dualcab with canopy). When it came to up grading we had a drive of the Terry, well with the better driving position, not that much less room out the back and the 3rd row seats that fold out of the way (handy with kids sleep overs). Then the extra ground clearance. Had problems with the wagon on some dirt roads we travel along. But no probs with the terry. I have taken my rwd terry ferther off road than most 4wds ever will.
As for the wagon or terry being better, the sales must say something. Ford dump the fairmont and futura wagons because of bad sales with the Au. They have done nothing with the wagon but people still by the base m0del. The territory has had strong sales across the board but at one stage the was more ghais than the rest of the range. But then FPV came out with the F6X an overprice under done car ( sorry bfiipursuit) which has pretty much been axed. I doubt that a higer spec'ed wagon in G6, XR or FPV trim would rain long either.

**Stav** · 06-03-2009, 04:57 PM

I hope ford dont bring out a sports wagon because I spent plenty of money and time to get the wagon to where it is lol

LowEL2XR8 · 06-03-2009, 05:03 PM

Well I want one so maybe FPV or Ford will do a one off for me seeing as I am the only buyer it seems.
You'll all be jealous then LOL not!

SM1DY · 06-03-2009, 05:57 PM

Ford will release their own sportswagon around the same time FPV release the GTHO

Dezza · 06-03-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Well AWD is a big selling point for many people... As for having a falcon wagon with 8 seats and having more leg room in the back, you gotta be shittering me...

With the 2nd row moved foward in a territory the 3rd row occupants actually get their own foot well, something you dont get in a 8 seater wagon.. which i must also mention isnt factory and requires a mod plate.

I know what id prefer out of the 2, and it definately isnt a BFIII XT with some dicky seats in the boot.

AWD might be a selling point but in most cases, it's a useless one. The 3rd row seat was a dealer option. Have you seen the amount of room in the back of a Falcon wagon? There was heaps of legroom. The only disadvantage was headroom but for kids that wasn't a problem.

Vdouw · 06-03-2009, 07:17 PM

Lol i now own a crewman and yea a wasted fad. the back seats are terrible. only bought it for the 4 seats, tray and it wasn't a 4wd.

Once I am off the tools i would get a wagon for the extra load space over a sedan, especially if i have kids. the misus doesn't like them. plus awd and 4wd are over rated.

i would go out and buy the new sportwagon by holden just cause i can get an ss and the back door opens in such a small area. that is even with the fact i'd preferably never by a holden again. Parts are bs on cost.

Hopefully ford will make one so i don't have to suffer and i could get a 6t.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-03-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezza!

AWD might be a selling point but in most cases, it's a useless one. The 3rd row seat was a dealer option. Have you seen the amount of room in the back of a Falcon wagon? There was heaps of legroom. The only disadvantage was headroom but for kids that wasn't a problem.

Yeah ive driven the occasional BA / BF wagon, they are only good for cartin dead bodies around in if you ask me (lenght).

2fishingdogs · 06-03-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vdouw

especially if i have kids. the misus doesn't like them.

Very interesting, Chance's are you won't then

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uranium_death · 06-03-2009, 08:39 PM

Here is a post I put in earlier.

I reckon it sums it up.

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

Firstly, there isn't the money to develop a new model. Ford's future here or in the US is still not safe.

Secondly, Ford has the Territory, which covers the family market well enough and as stated by many on here, is a fantastic all-round car. Why steal sales from it with two vehicles that are similar in dimensions, interior space, performance, as well as targeted demographic?

Thirdly, there is already a wagon, and it cost next to nothing to update from BFII to BFIII, and has its own niche market. It may not be pretty, but it gets the job done. Holden had to have a wagon, since the Captiva was not the success Holden had hoped it would be.

As nice and rosey as the VE may be, I am not convinced that it's making a massive difference to Holden sales.

When they have to take the price down several thousand only months after release, that is probably a sign that it isn't selling like hotcakes and therefore difficult to recoup the costs.

Ford is playing it smart.

If Ford released a similar wagon, would you buy it? Many people who say, "I want Ford to make a sportswagon" will never buy one. It's just eye-candy and a case of "monkey-see, monkey-do" between Holden and Ford.

Right now, Ford should keep the current line-up.

schnoods · 06-03-2009, 08:42 PM

:evil3: 300c Touring SRT8. :evil3:

4Vman · 06-03-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by schnoods

:evil3: 300c Touring SRT8. :evil3:

Lollygobbleblissbomb...

LowEL2XR8 · 06-03-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by schnoods

:evil3: 300c Touring SRT8. :evil3:

Yep. I guess Jase that if I want a sporty wagon it won't be a Ford and I can't bring myself to buy a Holden.

tazza255 · 06-03-2009, 10:33 PM

i doubt they will make it especially not in the current economic state

XR6_190 · 06-03-2009, 11:46 PM

I swear people that start these threads live under arocks, or in a cave or something, NO manufacturer, anywhere in the world, is going to invest 1 cent in any niche market for at least 2 years, so if you want a 'sports wagon, either buy a Holden, Chrysler, or save your pennys and buy a Merc.

XR Martin · 07-03-2009, 01:42 AM

Or build your own.

BA/BF Wagons are cheap, and go to the auctions and find a wrecked XR6T.
A couple of weekends and youve got what you want.

Gobes32 · 07-03-2009, 09:33 AM

Unfortunately the above is true, any projects that were forecasted to start now will inevitably be put back a couple of years. The way the world economy is going, auto manufacturers are happy just to stay open throughout the rest of this year.

Vdouw · 07-03-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 2fishingdogs

Very interesting, Chance's are you won't then

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lol i'll just trade in the misus for a better model lol that solves that problem now for a sports wagon damit lol

but yea there is no way ford is going to even release the FG wagon this yr let alone a sports wagon. Especially if GM is looking this unsatable.

Spanrz · 07-03-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Fashionable?
People who want wagons are still lving in the 1970's when they bought their first kingswood wagon...
The wagon concept is over..

I beg to differ though...... Doesn't my sig say it.... It should say "sales" to a car rep. "Yep, he'll buy another wagon".

If I ever had the money and time, I would do a build, like on the FTG "Tsunami" wagon.

The major problem with Ford's ideals as for the concept of the wagon is concerned, is they need to put an XR6 style of suspension on the base model.
I don't care what Ford say, they are wrong in putting standard suspension on the base model.
These cars handle differently to the sedans. And are too soft with standard suspension.

I just hope FPV think about that a lot!

Did FTG beef up their suspension with the Tsunami? (i.e aftermarket beefed up or XR6 setup)

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What I'd like to see, is a version of Junkyard Wars or one of those similar shows, with (wrecked) Ford BA / BF Wagons, into absolute carnage machines.

kocho · 07-03-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Feel so airy?? have you ever driven one?? I drove my Ghia for 50,000 kays, drove it very hard on country roads etc and i never once felt like i was goign to roll it, or lose control of it...

I guess that explains why i went thru 3 sets of tyres in 50,000 kms, must of been my cornering speed.

Id have another one again tomorrow if i had the room for it and the cook would drive it...

I made the comment because I have driven one, but I've only driven it in the suburbs and have no FWD's to compare it to.

XRLightening · 07-03-2009, 11:52 AM

I was always under the impression that the Territory was to be a replacement for the Falcon wagon which was due to be phased out....

I could be wrong though....

Bossxr8 · 07-03-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XRLightening

I was always under the impression that the Territory was to be a replacement for the Falcon wagon which was due to be phased out....

I could be wrong though....

Originally yes, but the wagon didn't stop selling, so Ford have continued with it. They expected the Territory to steal wagon sales but it didn't happen.

The answer to this is easy to work out. Just look at the figures.

Ford sell something like 400 BFIII wagons a month.

Holden have sold around 1000 Sportwagons at its peak after release. Those numbers have probably dropped down to maybe 800ish, and will continue to drop.

So the difference between Falcon wagon and Sportwagon is around 400 a month. Holdens usually sell in higher numbers than Falcon.

So Ford may only sell around 500-600 FG wagons a month if they go that way. Fleets may actually stop buying it because its not as practical as the BF wagon.

So basically Ford will not really gain any extra sales if they release an FG wagon, and if anything they will lose money on it due to the very high development costs.

This clearly show why its an extremely dumb idea to make an FG Sportwagon and the simple reason why Ford haven't done it.

Thread closed.

5.4 GT · 07-03-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Originally yes, but the wagon didn't stop selling, so Ford have continued with it. They expected the Territory to steal wagon sales but it didn't happen.

The answer to this is easy to work out. Just look at the figures.

Ford sell something like 400 BFIII wagons a month.

Holden have sold around 1000 Sportwagons at its peak after release. Those numbers have probably dropped down to maybe 800ish, and will continue to drop.

So the difference between Falcon wagon and Sportwagon is around 400 a month. Holdens usually sell in higher numbers than Falcon.

So Ford may only sell around 500-600 FG wagons a month if they go that way. Fleets may actually stop buying it because its not as practical as the BF wagon.

So basically Ford will not really gain any extra sales if they release an FG wagon, and if anything they will lose money on it due to the very high development costs.

This clearly show why its an extremely dumb idea to make an FG Sportwagon and the simple reason why Ford haven't done it.

Thread closed.

Bravo.

LowEL2XR8 · 07-03-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_190

I swear people that start these threads live under arocks, or in a cave or something, NO manufacturer, anywhere in the world, is going to invest 1 cent in any niche market for at least 2 years, so if you want a 'sports wagon, either buy a Holden, Chrysler, or save your pennys and buy a Merc.

Yes mate its a nice rock I live under.

Why do so many people attack other in these forums. "Oh not another of a thousand of the exact same threads" "What an idiot no one would buy a FPV wagon" "What is this guy thinking he has no clue"

Sorry for having an opinion.
You guys are all experts on everything. Can't someone just express a wish or opinion without being jumped all over.

I was just stating that HSV made a wagon why don't FPV.
Its not really investing any more all the components are there in other cars just bring them together in a wagon.