Another GT stolen in Perth

[thexyking]

You'd rather not know than find out it was torched. Suggesting some muppet wouldn't just do it for the thrill is overestimating the intelligence of the muppet involved.

[Super Roo 1970]

What diffrence does it make if it was stolen from a residence or a workshop?

If there is suss dealings, then so be it, just deserts I say, but to just assume it IS SUSS makes you look like an *** to U and ME (***-u-me), prolly also to everyone else here too.

The fact you got one stolen and never recovered and can still have that attitude speaks volumes for your personality, MATE (not). There is a diffrence between the value of a run of the mill xy and a top condition XY GT or a HO, and maybe the police did all they possibly could, not every theft is solved, far from it.
Dosent help when people have such a pre disposed attitude towards the very people trying to find your old car. If I was a cop, with your attitude, I would not wanna help you out any more than was required by the job.

[nb_351]

it could be anything from cheating partners to someone he has pi55ed off a while back who knows about his pride and joy, or it could be an inside job...
my mate had his vh ss stolen, and they couldnt have been more hellpful... theres not much they can do... its not like csi...

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Super Roo 1970

There is plenty of market for falcon and gt parts, just have a look at the stuff on ebay.

People should be mindfull of saying stuff like insurance fraud, how would you feel if someone nicked your car, stripped it or joy rode it and ripped its gutts out, burnt it out or whatever, and some stranger gets on a public forum and mentions Insurance Fraud?

As much as we'd like to think so, crims arent dumb, at least not all. Why steal a $200+k car for standard parts prices, when you could just steal a $12k stocko? Thefts theft, but the dollars put insurance companies into higher gear, which adds to the 'heat' the crim faces.

In my post I was just making observations, not claims as such, I dont know the guy, but if I was an insurance investigator, Id be looking into these fairly hard. All the GT bits will be very hard to sell so theres not much point in the added 'heat'.

I dont know what insurance is on one, but given the last few to reach what was it, around $500k with hype nearing $1 mil, but those since have passed in at the silly dollars, Id say the insurance value MAY be higher than the actual market value now.

Another reason may be the resto work wasnt as good as it should be, and its starting to show. They arent cheap to resto, and not every owner respects its history, just its dollars.

Again, not making any claims re: the car in question, the possibilities are basically endless.

[trick_xd]

Originally Posted by Super Roo 1970

Get laid up insurance. Places like shannons offer this for while your car is being restored or off the road for major work. The premium cost is a percentage guaged on the total value of the car, or an agreed value and is much less than all other insurances.

Thats Who I was insured with . I rang them up Agers ago to put it on hold as it has been sitting for a long time . and I thought it was coved by the panel beater ... I cant wait now to get it home..

I have my XW in a Shed with s alarm system (cheap) but it lets me know inside the house if a door is opened . and my house has cctv system anyway that also covers the hole back yard ... As of that my home and content insurance and all my car insurance are cheaper then before.

[Super Roo 1970]

How are gt parts nearly impossible to sell?
how would you trace a top loader, 9 inch or a gt dash, or a genuine shaker, or the interiour just for starters, unless it all has micro dot type stuff, the chassis and engine block are the 2 bits you cannot shift, unless you rebirth the shell into another cars body numbers. the removable bits above would net 20 to 30k straight off the bat. Sure the standard parts are just that, and not worth as much as the gt specific bits, but it all adds up.

I would be betting all the insurance companies are on high alert at the moment to any kind of high profile insurance fraud, and GT's and HO's certainly fall into this catagory. And FMC351, I wasnt directing my comments at you, I was directing them at tuff 514, what he said and how he said it is plain wrong.
I would speculate on a few of the biggest reasons for insurance fraud would be someone who paid top dollar for a car that was worth way less now, or another example was an uninformed person who thought he knew all about GT's who bought one thinking it was genuine and it ended up being found out as a rebody. The second would be a painfull kick in the ego to the buyer.
You are right though, the possibilities are vast.
The biggest shame is this is another GT that is now KIA, unless someone tips a tun of cash into fixing it.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Super Roo 1970

How are gt parts nearly impossible to sell?
how would you trace a top loader, 9 inch or a gt dash, or a genuine shaker, or the interiour just for starters, unless it all has micro dot type stuff, the chassis and engine block are the 2 bits you cannot shift, unless you rebirth the shell into another cars body numbers. the removable bits above would net 20 to 30k straight off the bat. Sure the standard parts are just that, and not worth as much as the gt specific bits, but it all adds up.

I would be betting all the insurance companies are on high alert at the moment to any kind of high profile insurance fraud, and GT's and HO's certainly fall into this catagory. And FMC351, I wasnt directing my comments at you, I was directing them at tuff 514, what he said and how he said it is plain wrong.
I would speculate on a few of the biggest reasons for insurance fraud would be someone who paid top dollar for a car that was worth way less now, or another example was an uninformed person who thought he knew all about GT's who bought one thinking it was genuine and it ended up being found out as a rebody. The second would be a painfull kick in the ego to the buyer.
You are right though, the possibilities are vast.
The biggest shame is this is another GT that is now KIA, unless someone tips a tun of cash into fixing it.

One of the first things I see here when a GT is stolen, keep an eye on ebay, papers etc. So they would need a buyer lined up, a very likely scenario anyway.

And yeah, microdots. I really cant imagine the fraternity of GT owners not having a means of individually identifying the bits, in a way that doesnt decrease their value. I could be wrong, but it would surprise me.

I knew who you were directing your post at, but I had made comments earlier, although I think I kept it clean of accusation, I just wanted to clarify my reasoning.

[TUF514]

Originally Posted by Super Roo 1970

What diffrence does it make if it was stolen from a residence or a workshop?

If there is suss dealings, then so be it, just deserts I say, but to just assume it IS SUSS makes you look like an *** to U and ME (***-u-me), prolly also to everyone else here too.

The fact you got one stolen and never recovered and can still have that attitude speaks volumes for your personality, MATE (not). There is a diffrence between the value of a run of the mill xy and a top condition XY GT or a HO, and maybe the police did all they possibly could, not every theft is solved, far from it.
Dosent help when people have such a pre disposed attitude towards the very people trying to find your old car. If I was a cop, with your attitude, I would not wanna help you out any more than was required by the job.

Have you ever had a car stolen?

The police said this to us - We do NOT look for stolen cars. If they show up they show up. If it is insured, prey it never turns up.

You totally missed my point which doesn't surprise me.

I shall try and explain it in further detail for you.

It was stolen from a residence - if the people were home, surely the car was not driven away OR put on a tow truck.

I can safely assume noone was home - co-incidence. Thats all im saying. Dont make me out to be anything i'm not. I bet if Falcon Coupe had have posted what i did, you'd have said nothing.

If this is legit, this guy is VERY VERY unlucky.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by TUF514

Have you ever had a car stolen?

The police said this to us - We do NOT look for stolen cars. If they show up they show up. If it is insured, prey it never turns up.

You totally missed my point which doesn't surprise me.

I shall try and explain it in further detail for you.

It was stolen from a residence - if the people were home, surely the car was not driven away OR put on a tow truck.

I can safely assume noone was home - co-incidence. Thats all im saying. Dont make me out to be anything i'm not. I bet if Falcon Coupe had have posted what i did, you'd have said nothing.

If this is legit, this guy is VERY VERY unlucky.

Actually opening a garage, rolling a car down the driveway, all while youre inside watching TV isnt all that uncommon. Certainly wasnt back when VK Calais etc were prized by thieves.

Dont underestimate a crim, more front than Myer, and often very skilled at what they do. To quote "Get Smart", if only they used their skill for niceness, instead of evil.

[theunfairadvant]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Couple of weeks ago we had a HO stolen from a panel shop (owners car) valued at about $600 grand.
Just saw on the news tonight a XY GT has was been knocked off from a private residence valued at $250 grand.

Anyone out there who is lucky enough to own one of these better make sure their security is up to par. I'm sure anyone who has one is careful with security but it might be wise to improve it.

There's obviously a market out there and scum are sussing them out with the view to steal them.

Well I guess thats one problem in life I'll never have to worry about (unfortunately).

I know one of them is being park inside a storage place in Blacktown,
i guess that must be safe with all the security cameras.

[sfr rob]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Why do the people who own these cars wonder why they get pinched?

Seriously, you can’t secure one of these cars with a bloody Club lock and still expect it to be there the next day. With the ridicules increase in the “so called value” of these things, I wonder how many people have them insured for what they’re perceived to be worth? Yes, Mr Bloggs. We’ll insure your GT HO for $650,000. That will be $55,000 a year, but only if you meet our new requirements put in place especially for these rare vehicles.

You can’t get insurance for a WRX in NSW unless it has some type of tracking device fitted, so why don’t insurance companies require this from the owners of these cars?

Most businesses that deal with expensive cars have bollards in their driveways to prevent the unauthorised movement of vehicles. In the grand scale of things, they’re not really that expensive.

http://www.bossbollards.com.au/retractable.html

I think the answer to that is that the people that own these rare cars would rather die than have to drive their car out the driveway and out.005 of a km on the clock.
I could guarantee that to drill a couple of little holes in the engine bay to fit alarms and GPS devices have never crossed their minds because of the chance it may no longer be so original and fetch the bug bucks at auction that they are pushing for.

These are the people that make me laugh.
Hopefully now, others take more care in where they leave their pride and joy. As has been said, the car is in a million pieces by now, shell a different color, ID tags, long gone etc etc.
Its got me buggered, it's like stealing a famous painting, how the hell are you supposed to off load it without getting done?!

[Super Roo 1970]

Well, I have seen the 'off the grid' details on this one, cannot comment though.

Tuff, I know the cops dont look for stolens, unless the particular car is part of a major investigation, and that most cars are found purely by chance etc. The comment made about if its insured was just a typical comment from a non interested cop who deals with tunns of these cases with a low solving rate. Pretty par for the course.

I dont personally have anything against you, but I think your attitude towards this was pretty un-Australian. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. The owner is absolutly devastated.
As for if it was anyone else here who made the same comments, personally I would have said the same thing to them, I would not care if they were normal members like us, donating members, moderators or site owners. I descriminate towards no one. And favour no one here.
Any your right, I have never had any of my cars stolen, (numerous GT's or everyday cars) in the 20 plus years I have owned cars and been driving. I am very carefull of my cars, and mindfull of where I park them, even the dailies.

[XA5800]

I don't know if this is news here but the xygt that was stolen in Perth was found burnt out saturday night in country WA
Any one that thinks insurance fraud , needs to look at them selves real close.

I had my GT for 26 years & it's priceless to me, if some one stole it & I could find them I'd end there existance & be happy serving the time.

[Sprint347]

terrible news, what a waste.

was the car stripped or torched as a whole car?

[4Vman]

From what ive heard the car was found burnt out but complete.... which rules out thieft for parts or to keep....

[XA5800]

It was a major news item in Perth, I think they jusat got nervious, what ever the reason, its another nice car gone & I have sympathy for the owner.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by XA5800

It was a major news item in Perth, I think they jusat got nervious, what ever the reason, its another nice car gone & I have sympathy for the owner.

That's one possible scenario.... ive heard more plausable ones floating around.

[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

That's one possible scenario.... ive heard more plausable ones floating around.

Similar to the ones about the phase 3 that was also taken?

[Fev]

why is everyone making small comments like they know somthing? wtf

[GK351]

I know what security measures i would be takeing if i owned GT, any GT that is.
I cant beleive they are getting pinched so conveiniently lately, You would think the owners would have taken out measures of a VERY VERY secure garage for a concours condition XYGT to say the least.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by GK5766

I know what security measures i would be takeing if i owned GT, any GT that is.
I cant beleive they are getting pinched so conveiniently lately, You would think the owners would have taken out measures of a VERY VERY secure garage for a concours condition XYGT to say the least.

For the people who buy GT's at the ridiculous prices, Id agree. But there would a number in the hands of people who bought them long before the ridiculous prices. Owning a GT does not necessarily mean endless wealth, theyd need to finance any loans or whatever in order to secure it in ways beyond the average 'modified' garage. Just because they own a valuable asset, does not mean they earn big bucks, yet they still need to do all the other things family people do.

Its wrong to assume that any GT owner could afford state of the art security.

[jakkes]

still can't get over that it (may) have been burnt out. how easy would it be to just park it out the bush-or some were and just walk away!!!!!!! hopefully more of the story will come out. and most importantly (fingers crossed) its salvageable/minor damage.

hope these thieves don't think of themselves as car enthusiasts

jak

[GK351]

I would have a couple of these walking about in the backyard..
At least i would still have the GT and mabye some DNA to give to the cops.

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[Sprint347]

Originally Posted by Fev

why is everyone making small comments like they know somthing? wtf

because its not fair on the owner(s) to share 'rumours' that are unfounded

[FRDPWR]

security is very imnportant for GT's. I dont have a xy gt but as you can see below i take security serously. i Have had a car stolen from a locked garage before and its a pain in the .

[cowboy]

ooh ooh ooh, cobra. Jumps up and down. Details, specs, pics. Please please please. Is there a thread on it?

[cowboy]

Oh yeah, nice XE too.

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Originally Posted by FRDPWR

security is very imnportant for GT's. I dont have a xy gt but as you can see below i take security serously. i Have had a car stolen from a locked garage before and its a pain in the .

awesome cars and awesome idea

where do you get those bollards?

[FRDPWR]

thanks mate, yeh theres a thread on it somewere... here you go http://fordforums.com.au/showthread....2&page=1&pp=25

i got the bollards made up through some guy i found interstate. and i bolted them in my self, they do get annoying somtimes but its a smal price to pay compared to someone stealing it ;)

[XW_GS]

im in the process of installing a camera looking down the driveway in addition to the one looking into the front yard.
at the moment i have a pc dedicated to recording any movement but i want to get a decent DVR (digital video recorder) with networking so i can view the cams over I.P.
BUT this is a deterent and a thing that MAY catch the theives after the act.

Bollards and a security system should prevent the theft altogether (hopefully).

Luckily im in the industry so i get to see and hear things and try to think like a thief so i can design good systems.

Id say a combination of security devices ie bollards/good alarm system/even video surveillance would be the ultimate in looking after your cars.

My garage alarm is separate from the house one and has an SMS module in it.
SO if some smarty cuts the phone line (which is monitored by the alarm) i will get an SMS message on the phone or i can configure it to voice call me.
If they cut the power then obviously the backup battery takes over (which the alarm monitors also)