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Um we are talking about the life of a criminal here. He commited a crime and knew the risks. It is america and there is none of the softly softly approach seen here.
Perhaps if they took such a stance here, we wouldnt see some of the hooligans get away with such soft punishments. |
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And in the Brisbane case where does it say the shots were fired from 100yards away? One officer had already been hit by the vehicle, which would mean the other wasnt far away.
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Im not going to bother gettting into 2nd guesssing an officer in exercising his duty,
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Does the video still work?
I just love the do gooders here and their opinion based on textbook armchair(or keyboard) rather than real life, right there experience. Until a do gooder is a VICTIM of crime, they will NEVER NEVER understand.
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the windscreen? they have doors for that which the officer caved in with his car,they also could of went via the passengers door,the rear doors? the option of jumping onto a bonnet isnt exactly the safest and im sure he knew the risk,so why take it he wasnt pulling him out of the windscreen was he? qld incident,where did i say 100 yards away it was a example of shooting range not actual fact to the qld case :P |
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Dont go a mess around with Officer Yankee Dandy are you get a mouth full of lead
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www.courttvred.com it has all the best police chases and crap on it...
I love Inside American Jail and Most Shocking I try to catch them every week here!
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Cant believe people are defending a felon....
Dont break the law, and you dont have to worry about the consequence. Also, how are we to know, that the guy hadnt shot someone, or robbed a bank before the stealing of the car, and attempted traffic stop? The police would know, and they would have acted on the facts presented to them. They done right, they done good, now we need to harden up our Police to do the same, and start getting people to understand that its not ok to stuff with the law.
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According to this report 1 in every 136 Americans are in prison: prison population 2.2 million
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...5/s1643973.htm The approach used by Australian cops is basically let them go and rock up next week at 10 am when they might be less drugged out take them in quitely, calmly, yes with cake and coffee if need be. My father now retired was seriously involved in internal affairs, and this is generally the approach taken. So what?- They drive off, if another car doesn't spot them, all you end up with is someones stolen car- might be recovereed might not. The other approach you get someone, probably young and under the influence, blown to pieces, passenger traumatised, family traumatised, cop probably traumatised, all over a stupid car- not worth it. |
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so what your saying is everyone whom breaks the laws deserves to die? nice angle if we all thought like that we'd be the new South America :P the facts were: traffic offence that turned into fleeing police (evading police) resist arrest then they claim he almost hit police whom were in their vehicles tempting a pit on the car. then a officer jumps on a car so it turns into assault with deadly weapon and the officer kills the bloke by shooting him point blank then they find its a stolen car,and his known to be a druggo etc seriously they have the right to protect themself i agree,but place yourself in a dangerous position isnt the same as being forced into that same situation,the officer made the decision to jump on said car and shoot to kill,when training has mulitiple non lethal way to deal with it,all this from a simple traffic offence/matter. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZydmenX5MA
33 seconds into the video shots fired who said he wasnt already wounded then 10 seconds later you see a cop on his bonnet opening up more bullets its 50/50 imho but after situations like this i guess you need to be cautious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8olEn237h8 FULL VERSION: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tTkvNrCN8 minute 5.14 he gets out of car minute 5.18 he shoots at suspect about 5.23 you hear "dont move" Last edited by HOON69; 03-10-2007 at 06:52 PM. |
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It's their job right? It's just that the suspect didn't bother to stop and chose to die. And as the news have said, he's a drug dependent, maybe he's high on drugs, that's why he has a passenger while doing those stunts.
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Just like the innocent young girl that gets killed, whoever that was in the car was someones son/daughter, if it happened to your son or daughter how would you feel? No mercy for the felon?
The cop could have just as easily gone out of control and killed the little girl on the footpath himself- That's the point- avoid the high speed chase- They're not worth it. Let them think they've got away with it then pick them up down at the local watering hole. |
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If this was just a routine stop, just some fool who didnt want to stop, no other crime, their state of mind cant be all that stable can it? That itself makes them a danger to everyone else who they come across, at speed, in a deadly weapon. Thats how accidents happen, may not, but could, why should the general pubic assume the risk for some clown who should know better? Why should they be given second chances, when by his own actions the general public are losing their first chance to grant him a second? Alternatively, why doesnt a person stop? What are they trying to avoid? Its clear something isnt right about them, and then the above situation is still true. Stop, or die, before someone who has done no wrong dies because that fool made poor choices. This is all true without the situation that unfolds in the second video you linked. That only makes assessing the situation far more complicated. As I watched it, the cop rams the car to try and stop it, but the hit is made worse by the crim trying to take off as the cop hits. I mean c'mon, you can hear the cop say at times they are doing 100mph. You cant let that continue until he runs out of fuel. Being that are at such speeds, you have to expect the cop coming after is going to be flying, so when you start chuckin u-tuns in the middle of the road, if he hits ya, its gonna hurt. Yet the car isnt stopping. When the cop shoots the driver, the person he seems to be yelling dont move to, is the passenger. Quote:
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Was the guy in the car armed in any way?? If so what happened was probably justified. If not, it is just another case of Judge Jury and executioner. But I guess you would have to be there to really know what happened. I wonder what would have happened if the guy in the car stomped on the throttle in his death throws. The cop would have been in trouble for sure.
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Why dont people understand the 'car' is a deadly weapon and needs to be stopped? How often do we hear of accidents caused by speed, no cops involved? The outcome is the best choice from a set of woeful choices. At least the result is imposed on the one responsible for the situation. |
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After reading the above I have to wonder if the cop on the bonnet was watching a guy picking up a gun in the car?? Who knows (certainly not me)..... Not too many cops are trigger happy - we pay these people to do the best they can within a defined parameter - unfortunately, psycho killers tend to stretch the bounds of normality and therefore we need to count on the good guys to make snap, life changing decisions for not only our betterment but to ensure they get to go home kiss the kids goodnight too.
People are falible, I'll back a cop who *maybe* made a poor judgement call over a scumbag like that piece of crap any day of the week. |
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This is why US cops pull their guns first, or should anyway.
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Geez, another cop bashing thread, a day barely goes by when one comes up and all these couch potatoes judge something they have no F clue about. How many people who have posted here have actually been involved in a pursuit, have dealt with violent offenders whilst trying to arrest them? And lastly it is a whole different world in the US of A. Where 10 years old carry handguns to school, completely different from Australia.
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and dont preach to me that i dont know what they go through,i talk to enough police and correctional officers to know exactly what they go through on a daily basis,i didnt say that the shoot to protect wasnt justified,but killing the bloke well most agree it was excessive. protect yourself YES kill because you decided to jump on a car that wasnt stopped properly NO after many threads on the subject most agree the force used, wasnt needed. didnt think the internet required me or anyone else to share your point of views yet,your ready and able to tell us we dont know F all about anything,intelligent post mate,im off to do some arm chair research ![]() |
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Calm down Hoon. Over there it is fair dinkum mate, not marbles or tiddly-winks. As you can see, the coppers over there are faced with dangers that the general public here in Australia will never experience other than from an armchair. I'm sure you would have an itchy finger if you faced some of the bad guys over there that carry firearms everyday and wouldn't think twice about using it. At the end of the day, it's their job(police) and they have families too to go home to.
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Awesome...
Well done cops ! There should be more of that posted on the internet to teach people that steal cars not to run from the police. Thats the way to deal with car thieves that run and then try to ram the police. AC/DC |
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