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Good to see that everone thinks that anything made in China Is 5hit.....
I wonder how much of your ( and mine ) Falcon is made in china... ? Maybe those who say it is all cheap rubbish made on $2 per hour should look closely at the computer you are typing on, , and the tv you watch, , and the fridge and ALL other consumer electronics in your house.... Now days, 90% of it is made in China.. ( inc your IPOD ) God bless the third world for such manufacturing plants as those in China. I have been to china, and visited a few Manufacturing plants. One was bigger then the entire Homebush site in sydney, and it was owned by 1 guy. This place was so huge, it blew me away. This particular plant made tv's, portable dvd players, personal audio ( MP3 ) and home theare. Off to the side of the plant, was the minature suburb that housed the employees, , very good living and housing conditions. They have everything done for them,, , the plant provided parks, pools, skate rinks, movies, shops, everything..... It was amazing... No where else in the world could anyone do such a thing but China ! We were physcially searched to make sure we had no cameras, or camera phones. They even made the cardboard boxes that the stuff was packaged in.... Then they got sick of buying the foam for the boxes, , so they added a "foam" plant.... They even "make" the paint to colour the boxes ! WIthout China, , we would be still paying $400 for a cheap 51cm tv, , and $5000 for a plasma.... AC/DC |
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No, ,I was just stating a fact, , , No-one here would work for the low wages that they do overseas, and I dont blame us for doing so...
But If I was offered a "plasma" built in melbourne for $4000 , , or the same unit built in china for $2000, , what would I do ? The reason we dont make cheap electronics, is that we simply cannot afford to. If anyone wants to save the plight of the "aussie worker" , , then volunteer for the factory work @ $5 per hour.... AC/DC ( I wish that all our stuff was Australian made, , but that will never happen now ) |
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This 10k car is no safer than a 14k Daewoo. Far out. The airbag doesnt do **** in that video of the NCAP test.
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Top Gear says: "German manufacturers, once the epitome of solid reliability, remain on the slide, although last year's most dismal duffer, the moribund Mercedes M-Class, is displaced by no fewer than four fragile French marques." The best cars are actually mostly Japanese: Lexus, Honda, Subaru. The best European manufacturers are actually Czech, not German (VW's top liners come as Skodas from Mlada Boleslav, and the Toureg and parts of the Porsche Cayenne also come from Czech Republic). Manufacturers are moving to the Czech Republic because they get the quality there they can't get anywhere else in Europe (Toyota-Peugeot Citroen and now Hyundai). Skoda is now pretty much regarded as second only to Lexus in quality: http://www.carpages.co.uk/skoda/skod...y-04-06-06.asp You need to catch up with the quiet revolution thats been happening there in the last decade as the Czechs return to their prewar quality (interrupted for 50 years by the Germans and communism). Back to the thread, Skoda is also setting up in China - there is a difference between overseas brands manufactured in China and Chinese local brands. The main thing the foreigners have to watch out for is the Chinese propensity for theft of designs (without the accompanying safety and quality). You can't get Skodas here unfortunately though you can in NZ. The only local Czech made car is the Touareg.
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Watching a tv show the other day, It was a doco on the chinese that have bought up all the MG tooling along with the name, some 4000 containers of it and are assembling a new factory with it as we speak(type). They now have a global name thats recognised. Funny that 20 years ago Korean cars would have been laughed at and 45 years ago the japs. Things are a changen!
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Oh and if you look at the worlds biggest exporter it is Germany, while China maybe selling everyone their trinkets, Germany is the main exporter of "technologies" which everyone gloats about having in their possesion with gay abandonment. |
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It's only a matter of time before we see these peices of junk on the road. They make everything in china now don't they? It's hard to buy anything at all that isn't made there. I even have to be careful when buying SnapOn nowadays that they aren't palming me off chinese stuff. Sure it is cheap and it works, but I would rather support families from Australia and other countries I like (USA, Europe) rather than supporting cruel dictatorships like China. Countries like france support thier local car industry by imposing heavy tarrifs on foreign cars and why not? We'd all be better off (and safer)with more local cars on the roads.
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Wanna know a funny fact: that $3,000 TV costs about $300 to make, if that. |
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The Chinese people desire a high standard of living, and this is their collective goal. I have a satellite TV setup with which I view many things, graphic news coverage and data - I also view and keep an eye on most all Chinese TV stations from the many pay services and FTA non government stations, - to almost all the government CCTV's. Their ABC if you will - each with specific genre, (CCTV9 is fulltime English). What I see is an adoption by the younger generation in particular of the Western lifestyle, the music (They have their own MTV, Channel V etc), the desire to improve their financial lot, for clothing - no more 'grey' but rather I must say much colour and class (cute women folk), fine food and 'service' and a desire for good customer service. The influence of Hong Kong (this is where the worlds 'real wealth' resides) has assisted geatly, ditto that from neighbour Taiwan, who's many companies are also now set up on the mainland. For 'change' in China, the young needed to be patient, that patience is paying off as they gain with age; influence. What the people want, they will have and that place is booming as a result. * The Chinese Automobil Association has an Australian head and it uses the expertise of former Sydney based lawyer Jason Li in tackling that rapidly growing market. Aussies making it in China. I have a desire (and am doing this through appropriate channels) to ensure China's future road infrustructure does not contain the 'errors' of our own motorway construction, their network will be Germanic in standard, (such as with India's growing network). AND it'll be model inclusive of other transport options. I am also advocating the Chinese 'mandatory' adoption of UN/ECE Regulations, all to avoid I must say the potential adoption of alternative certain lower standard North American FMVSS equivalents. (China for example mandates the Euro triangle for its domestic market, prohibiting the US version). My only real concern with China is over the Taiwan issue, if after 2008-9 this is finalised peacefully, then all should be good. Militarily they are capable of taking Taiwan, I would not have said that four years ago, not by a long shot. The armed forces appear of CCTV 7 and 10 on a time-interchange basis. Much new and highly advanced gear and they are quite open and up front about all this. We'll see. I am thankful they are not muslim, they have enough problems with those in their far West region that are. |
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The ultimate success of any Chinese car exports to Australia will depend upon both quality and price. As far as I am concerned, I would not consider buying unless I was confident in the quality and safety of what they were offering - "the pain of poor quality endures long after the euphoria of a cheap price has evaporated!"
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However - low price solid state electronics dont have the potential to injure and harm like a low price vehicle does. You can take a bit of risk with a TV - if it fails, it stops working. If a car "fails" - people get hurt or killed. Would you let your kids ride to school with a friend's parent in one of the SUVs demonstrated in the crash test links? Evidence doesnt look good so far. If the vehicles were of an appropriate standard, I dont think anyone would object to their cars!!
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why do many people knock the hyundai excel? it won best small car of the year at 1 stage and im quite sure its just as safe as a 95 small ford or barina. i have an excel as a second car and it has 110,000ks on it and i havent had 1 problem with it. it has great fuel economy and its not completely dorkey looking like daewoos and mit mirages. trust i was the same i said id never buy any cheap asain cars id rather an older ford but when i drove it the gears changes good the clutch is smooth and it didnt seem like it struggles up hills
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And then there's primary safety - the ability to avoid getting into a situation in the first place. Nobody's addressed this except for some wishy washy lists of cars with ESC. Some vehicles are inherently unsafe - both primary and secondary - and they're not even from China but 'respectable' countries like Japan and the US. The Chinese are clever - they'll come good pretty quickly. We won't be laughing at their cars in 10 years.
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I wouldnt let my kids ride in the car in question, that is in the video, , but mainly because I would hope that the Aust Govt would not let that on the road until mods were made to make it safer... ( I am sure this would happen )
Did anyone see the Sixty Minutes report on the Boom in China... If they get their act together, ,they might make huge inroads in to the car industry... Remember how many korean cars we could buy in the 80's,, ,, , none ! Wait 10 years, , once China gets moving, nothing will stop them, , and we will all be thanking them for the boom priced products.. AC/DC |
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Great another generation of matiz is on its way:S
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Most these devices mentioned are only manufactured in China, they are engineered and designed very specifically in "western" Countrys, so quality control is very strict, engineered in which a way that faults are very unlikely to occur, whilst fault tolerences being very low, so they are easy and simple to manufacture in 3rd world countrys. So it really doesnt matter at all where and by whom the product is manufactured, its how the product is engineered which detirmines weather it is a quality and safe product. The cars mentioned, they are both engineered and built in China, which is a horrible mix, especially for something as deadly as a car. |
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