New HSV Backlash on TODAY SHOW

[Polyal]

I dont think this actually has anything to do with Holden and gov credits does it?

[mr smith]

Originally Posted by Polyal

I dont think this actually has anything to do with Holden and gov credits does it?

To the public it will, why should tax dollars go to developing a car like this so matey can hang patches at the end of the street. And I know that the chance of a new GTS doing that is low, the average punter sees every hotted up commodore as the same thing, driven by the same crowd.

[PHATXR8]

Well done to HSV for having a crack with the release of this car soon. I look forward to driving one (no doubt some of my HSV-driving-bogan mates will buy one!). Hopefully it will spur Ford onto building something similar as a last harrah in the next year or 2.

As for what is being said in the media, they are a bunch of ballbags who will say anything to get a headline. That is the business they are in!! Any organisation that gives Harold Scruby any more than 1 second of airtime has little credibility with me.

[1TUFFUTE]

the only way id give this topic any more breath..is if there are facts to show all the hoons crashing and dieing in these powerfull cars. Don't quote me but im almost positive that the biggest offenders on the roads are older people...not perceived hoons and there powerfull cars. Seems like another idiot with some agenda probably linked in some way to a political theme from who knows....

[FAT245]

The good old power wars.

I believe holden has always had the philosphy that more power is better.
Ford always engineers a well rounded product. I have Driven an SV6 and i can say, it is not a great car, and my uncles VE SS is like a shopping trolley when throwing it about.

Comparing it to a friends TS50, it is an unrefined car.

I am sure Ford can pump out the numbers, but why deliver an overpowered car when you can deliver a superb package that will have little to no issues due to them over taxing the driveline.

[JoeDaleyN98]

Based on this premise we should all be driving 1960's corollas, because pretty much anything these days is way to fast for the streets. Oh right speed limits. In that case, who cares! That bloke is the biggest whinger

[tex]

Yawn.

I watched the 20 seconds on this car on the today show, no surprises in it. The comment was actually

"In ten years time" these things will be cheap...

They commented about its 300kmh top speed..... Lol

Those two nerds on that segment said nothing really bad, they just said what 90% of the motoring public would / will say.

They asked the question, which is valid " are cars capable of these speeds and power necessary?"

If we're honest, the answere isn't popular around here, and the answere is of course no, they aren't necessary.

But neither is a 350hp v8 outboard, when a 250v6 will still plane the boat and tow the skier.

Neither is a Yamaha r1, when the 250cc bike will travel at 100kmh...

Necessary and good old fashioned desire are two completely different things, and unless I'm mistaken, consumer market, our economy is just as often fuelled by wanten desire as they are necessity. Want is good. Want makes the world go around, and the global economy prosper. Necessity does not.

Not even a Storm in tea cup that segment on today show, it didn't even rate a mention in my view.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by nb_351

He forgets about all the Japanese hypo cars too, lots of p plates on evo loaders and wrx subarus not to mention skylines maybe he should just hop in the back of his chauffeur driven hybrid

Either they're breaking the law, or have WRX badges on an RX, but P platers cannot drive WRX or Evo, or Turbo Skyline legally.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by tex

Not even a Storm in tea cup that segment on today show, it didn't even rate a mention in my view.

You're probably right - I was just surprised by the fact it was even mentioned on a breakfast program and with a negative spin as well.....was quite surprised as Holden normally get the lion's share of the good press on a new release regardless of what they do. These silly programs can and do drive public sentiment....even in 2 minute snippets.

I think there is a heightened sensitivity to these sorts of cars of late.....spurned no doubt by the hoon laws and the percieved association that FPV / HSV apparently feed the desires of hand me down Hoon drivers........lol

Yes its bollocks.......but as a proud owner and driver of an FPV.......feeling kinda sick and tired of being tarred with the same brush as some of these morons.

Looks like a race car / goes like a race car.......you must be racing !

[mik]

Its hard to believe a 100000 dollar car would devalue enough for a young tacker to buy in 3 or 4 years, regardless there's stacks of fast 2nd hand cars for a fraction of the cost.
Also does he think that you couldn't get in just as much trouble in an 86 as any powerful car?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by mik

Its hard to believe a 100000 dollar car would devalue enough for a young tacker to buy in 3 or 4 years, regardless there's stacks of fast 2nd hand cars for a fraction of the cost.
Also does he think that you couldn't get in just as much trouble in an 86 as any powerful car?

Of course not,
The shock Jock's main strike weapon is to reveal the irresponsibility of manufacturers
building leathal weapons to unleash upon the community.

The best way to deal with this "crisis" is to change channels and deprive him of any
rebuttal or forum to continue this rather absurd and obtuse argument..

I would be more concerned about Charlie bogan bolting a blower onto his
300,000 km VX SS and wreaking havoc on the community.....

Unfortunately our custodian of moral outrage can't see the forest for the trees....

[Angeldust]

... same as how many bogans u see tearing up the streets in the old stroker holden VS GtS's.. or all the 300KW VT II...thats right, none, they're all locked up by enthusiasts...

[mik]

engine size/ power has never been an issue imo, my first car was an absolute worn out dung box with zero handling, zero safety aids, no power, yet as testosterone charged young buk i still drove it like a v8 super car and even though it only did about 90 mph ..... it was 10 times more dangerous than any modern performance car to anyone in the vicinity, and i would expect that to be the case with many youngsters with a similar mindset just getting their licence..
Nothing whatever to do with HP.

[irish2]

Good on them. A massive middle finger to all the wowsers out there. I think most of these will be bought for weekend warrior duties (read racing on a track for the wowsers).

[lethal66]

Good news i reckon,hsv should of put that motor in 2yrs ago when it got released in yankville.Il be placing my order for 1 along with 8 other miners that want 1 also.Bad news is im going to lose maybe 10k on my E3 Gts not even 7months old but who cares.

And radio jocks like that cowboy give fpv and hsv a bad name.

I bet carl on today show buys 1 also to replace his yellow e3 gts

[LTDHO]

Tell me how a car with 350kws is more needed than one with say 250?

Sure, torque is useful for towing, etc but do we need 350kw's?

OK, there is the whole 'track day' excuse, but what % of cars with over 250 see the track?
Those that do, how often?

Just curious

[MITCHAY]

Lol there are plenty of things in life we don't need but if everyone had only what they needed it would be pretty boring wouldn't you say.

I think there is plenty of BS in the world that exists to benefit certain people but I don't **** on their parade.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Tell me how a car with 350kws is more needed than one with say 250?

Sure, torque is useful for towing, etc but do we need 350kw's?

OK, there is the whole 'track day' excuse, but what % of cars with over 250 see the track?
Those that do, how often?

Just curious

It is needed for exactly the same reason that diamonds are needed in rings, smartphones are needed to communicate and fast food is needed for eating.

All that asking the question does is demonstrate an inability of understanding the answer..........

[Danny]

A commercial pain in the *** on a commercial rubbish TV Show. Not worth even the taps on the keys it took to write this.

But is this the same Neil Mitchell who jerks off on air about his high powered Audi TTS?

Wtf?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Tell me how a car with 350kws is more needed than one with say 250?

Sure, torque is useful for towing, etc but do we need 350kw's?

OK, there is the whole 'track day' excuse, but what % of cars with over 250 see the track?
Those that do, how often?

Just curious

I understand and agree with you to a point.
For everyday commuting there is no need for that kind of power.
However why do it? Well why not?
If it can be done then I say go for it.
The same could be said about hypercars, just look at the Veyron, who needs 400+km/hr? A 1001+ HP? It doesn't matter, the challenge was set and they did it because they could.

I applaud the human desire to do better, that is why I have an interest in cars because with each iteration they get better, safer, faster and smarter.
I am a slave to technology (probably because it is my hobby and my job) and I always like to see how technology evolves and how we integrate it into our everyday lives.

So yes we don't need 350kw but we also don't need Ferraris, Porsches, V8s, etc. We have them because we can, because there are few out there that like to compete and think they can do a better job of building a car.

I say bring it on...

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by flappist

All that asking the question does is demonstrate an inability of understanding the answer..........

What a stupid thing to say.

How can someone know whether they will understand an answer if they don't ask the question first.

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by damo6

a typical neil mitchell whinge, this fool will complain if his weetbix fall the wrong way into his bowl,

Except his precious Melbourne football club or the provincial game of AFL.
thats untouchable.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Tell me how a car with 350kws is more needed than one with say 250?

Most people only need public transport. These cars wouldn't exist if people didn't want them. And that's all that matters. Getting into a debate about what we "need" ends with man sitting in a cave eating grass clippings because that's all we really need isn't it.

If someone doesn't see the point of a high powered car, they will probably never understand. Yet some still feel the need to whinge. Why whinge about something they don't understand? Whinging for the sake of whinging.

I love what HSV and FPV are doing, people ask for it, they build it. And by people I mean normal people- posh folk have been buying super sedans for a long time, yet as soon as they become attainable to regular folk it's a problem. Ridiculous.

[Lardman]

Originally Posted by ESP

Was watching the TODAY show on Channel 9 over breakfast this morning - segment with Neil Mitchell commentary.
Interesting to see this make the morning show agenda.....albeit in a negative way.
Basically - backlash against the new performance HSV

• Waaaaay Too fast
• Pointless car for today's day and age
• 3-4 years down the track - will be priced squarely at young bogan Hoon affordability
• Do we really need / want these types of cars roaming our roads.

Sound familiar...echoes of the 70's super car scare campaign

Damn. I wonder who would want a fast car for this day and age that ends up being purchased second hand by other drivers that happen to be 'young bogan hoons' that use the roads like everybody else does but are labelled by the media?

You know.

I mean who would buy such things? Absolutely crazy that they exist in the first place, right?

Edit: Also, people like this are, and should be regarded as the same bunch of people that said things such as:

• I think there is a world market for maybe five computers
• With over 50 foreign cars already on sale, the Japanese auto industry isn't likely to carve out a big slice of the US market
• It will be years -- not in my time -- before a woman will become prime minister
• "But what...is it good for?" -- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.

[FGX-351]

If there is demand then there should certainly be supply.
If that's what people want to spend THEIR money on then it's no one elses concern.

I am quite interested to see the actual numbers this thing puts down.

[excopau]

I think they will have trouble seelling them at 100000, there isnt any money around at the moment with the way the economy is.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by excopau

I think they will have trouble seelling them at 100000, there isnt any money around at the moment with the way the economy is.

Famous line from 1989 movie Field of dreams:

"If you build it - they will come"

[mik]

Originally Posted by excopau

I think they will have trouble seelling them at 100000, there isnt any money around at the moment with the way the economy is.

Theres enough cashed up people here with GT's , I doubt they will have too much trouble selling them.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by mik

Theres enough cashed up people here with GT's , I doubt they will have too much trouble selling them.

That's it, and its been a long time between drinks for the much larger hsv fan base.
It will sell, and it will sell in numbers fpv could only dream about.

[zoomie]

Originally Posted by Black F6

will be interesting to see once we see some rwkw figures from these cars, they probably wont be much different to the blown GT's just the badge says 100kw more

You got it, currently 325 HSV killowatts don't even seem to match the so called 310 FPV killowatts of the F6 let alone the 335 GT range when there put on a dyno, so I wonder what 430 HSV killowatts are really going to equal at the wheels?

A current E3 325Kw Clubsport R8 that had 3 dyno power runs after my stock F6 a couple of weeks ago was either a donkey or had other "issues" as my F6 had 9 more RwKws with the only mods to mine being the 5L Coyote intake and Euro4 exhaust restrictor ring removed (still on factory tune), where as the GTS had extractors, full exhaust and tune done to it.
Needless to say the guy was mighty ****ed off..... I just