thinking of buying XR5 - Should i wait for the new model? - Page 2

photn · 07-03-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

You answered your own question, they named it XR (XR Branding falls inline with XR6/8) and 5 Turbo because it has 5 cylinders and its Turbo.
I can see your point with the ST badging though. And see why FoA named it the way they did

HAHA i guess i did. Although i cant officially claim that this is reason but it would make sense.

**DJM83** · 07-03-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by photn

HAHA i guess i did. Although i cant officially claim that this is reason but it would make sense.

I cant either, but i reckon thats the reason it was called XR5

mondo_broady · 07-03-2011, 10:09 PM

i believe the XR badge was actually used on some euro models many moons ago?? there's a guy from the UK on the XR4 forum who is badging his ST as an XR4... he says there are old school XR owners who are giving him a hard time about it... they def had XR2 and maybe XR3 over there in the past...

Dshibi · 07-03-2011, 10:46 PM

mondo_broady's right. There were definitely XR2's and 3's in the UK. I think they were the Fiesta's and Escort's of the time? I could be wrong. Also, wasn't the Mercury Cougar in the states sometimes known as an XR7?

Anyway, in Oz, the XR moniker goes with the number of cylinders in the car. I remember when the Mondeo XR5T came out people were wondering how they could do it - but they did - and it worked. So, it makes sense that if they continue the branding, you'll possibly have a Fiesta AND Focus XR4 in the future? Maybe?

Dan

photn · 07-03-2011, 10:52 PM

Of course, the XR moniker was introduced after the RS moniker ended with the Escort MK5 i believe(?) - then reborn in the Fiesta RSTurbo and RS1800
Its seen the likes of the Fiesta - XR2 - XR2i,
Ford Escort - XR4, XR4i
Ford Sierra - XR4, XR4i
Cougar - XR7

It wasnt untill the MK1 Focus ST170 did they brand the car an ST - Followed by the Fiesta ST150.

Each new naming moniker has been introduced by different companies and teams - subdivisions.

ST is the latest, but RS has been reserved for the Pure Pedegree of Fords.

entheos · 08-03-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mondo_broady

i don't follow that dallas?? logic (does ford know the meaning of this word anyway?) would dictate it should be called XR4t seeing as they let the ST moniker go with the LR... even if they bring out a hot hatch fiesta and call it an XR4t as well, it'll be no different to having both the XR5 focii & mondy...

Didn't even think about the Mondeo/Focii XR5 shared badge...You make a valid point there Mr Broady Sir...

bruster · 08-03-2011, 10:52 AM

Well i visited the dealer and i was ready to make the deal but unfortunately
the trade in price that was given to me was not enough to sway me.

my payout figure on my current car was a little high.

the sales person and dealer were a joy to deal with.
i havent ruled it out yet, i might try sell the car privately first and see how i go.

Lukeyson · 08-03-2011, 09:14 PM

I am pretty sure my XR8 will be saying bye bye and saying hello to the new XR5 replacement (for my work chariot) when it arrives, did i hear the powershift 6 speed auto will be avail? (wife says my replacement car has to be auto)

deesun · 29-03-2011, 11:53 PM

Current runout price for a 2011 model is $36490 and I dare say you could get a bit off that too. Can anyone tell me what they were selling for b4 runout? That article said BY 2012 so has anyone heard approx when? Knowing Ford it probably has been put back 3 times by now.

marg99 · 30-03-2011, 09:19 AM

The discount new cars site says $33990 driveaway for the LV model XR5 so there must be good deals going.

mondo_broady · 30-03-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deesun

Current runout price for a 2011 model is $36490 and I dare say you could get a bit off that too. Can anyone tell me what they were selling for b4 runout? That article said BY 2012 so has anyone heard approx when? Knowing Ford it probably has been put back 3 times by now.

i don't think they've ever officially said the LV XR5 is on sale as a run out model?? The previous model (LS/T) cost over $40,000 d/a so that gives you some idea how much they have come down in price. This time last year, $36,000 d/a was a good deal, but there are plenty of people who have paid $33,000 or less around now...

my suggestion, but one now with that sweet sweet 5 pot rather than wait till next year sometime for the new focus XR replacement.

JG66ME · 30-03-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

Of course, the XR moniker was introduced after the RS moniker ended with the Escort MK5 i believe(?) - then reborn in the Fiesta RSTurbo and RS1800
Its seen the likes of the Fiesta - XR2 - XR2i,
Ford Escort - XR4, XR4i
Ford Sierra - XR4, XR4i
Cougar - XR7

It wasnt untill the MK1 Focus ST170 did they brand the car an ST - Followed by the Fiesta ST150.

Each new naming moniker has been introduced by different companies and teams - subdivisions.

ST is the latest, but RS has been reserved for the Pure Pedegree of Fords.

Not quite correct.

Fiesta 4 cyl was XR2, XR2i
Escort 4 cyl was XR3, XR3i
Sierra 2.8i (later 2.9) V6 was XR4i and XR4x4

Your point about the number having no relation to the number of cylinders is correct. This was Started in South Africa with the V8 Sierra XR8 and the V6 Cortina XR6.

Australia initially adopted the UK system with the XR2 Capri convertible but later tied it to the number of cylinders.

Steve

deesun · 30-03-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by marg99

The discount new cars site says $33990 driveaway for the LV model XR5 so there must be good deals going.

I got my price from carsales and Ford au site, where does yours come from. It stated 2011 model but the 2010 was 33990 drive away price. Thanks.

entheos · 30-03-2011, 11:45 AM

They are all 2010 plate from memory. And the current drive away price is $33990, this is a 'sale price' but it's ongoing at this stage. The RRP is still $36,990 +ORC.

Hope this helps.

deesun · 02-04-2011, 02:03 AM

6 here from $30485.

**DJM83** · 02-04-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by entheos

They are all 2010 plate from memory. And the current drive away price is $33990, this is a 'sale price' but it's ongoing at this stage. The RRP is still $36,990 +ORC.

Hope this helps.

Spot on Groomy, you wont find an 2011 LV XR5T

deesun · 03-04-2011, 02:06 AM

Someone is telling porkys then. http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars/ford/focus/ . Please I am not arguing the point but thats what the add said. Wouldn't be the first time a salesman has put in the wrong info. I got my last car 42K cheaper because of a dopey dealer.
And Redbook backs it up. http://www.redbook.com.au/new-cars/r...&TabId=1407343

Powdered Toast Man · 05-04-2011, 06:16 PM

Yep 2010 runout price is $33990 drive away, $2000 more for one with leather. I dont think there are any 2011 LV XR5s, they dont make them anymore. Whats in the dealers showrooms are all there is, you can't order them anymore.

I believe the RRP was $36500ish plus on roads before the runout was on.

**DJM83** · 05-04-2011, 07:27 PM

Last build for XR5's was October 2010

Dshibi · 05-04-2011, 08:40 PM

Powdered Toast Man is correct and add between $1900-$2300 approx for a sunroof as well.

There aren't any 2011 XR5's and no such thing as an LVII XR5 either

Dan

mrbaxr6t · 20-04-2011, 05:17 PM

I went in and bought one of these when they announced the LV was to be the last of the 5 pot ones, its the age old argument as to which is a better setup less cylinders with higher capacity or more cylinders with slightly less capacity, majority of engines more cylinders results in more torque, the turbo vs na axiom breaks this. But if we compare turbocharged 5 cylinder to turbocharged 4 cylinder it is my firm belief that for the 4 pot to best the 5 potter it would need to be running a much higher level of boost, this will make it outperform the 5 potter but at what cost to reliability?

there is no point building a screamer of an engine that can propel a v8 supercar around Bathurst in 60 seconds flat if it drops its bundle in 10 laps, whenever you increase performance reliability takes a hit. My concern with the upcoming 4 cylinder Focus is how will it compare to the 5 potter in terms of reliability and drivability.

Also the 5 pot in the Focus is a very good engine with good torque at any rev range, this makes it very easy to drive and forgiving of wrong gear choices, if you grab too high a cog it just growls and goes this must be the torque the engine provides. I am very interested to see if the new 4 cylinder engine is as easy to drive and as forgiving of errors. Compared to my xr6 turbo manual if you grab the wrong gear the car really makes you aware of the fact VERY quickly. Wife loves driving the Focus yet hates driving the Xr6 and says "your car hates me" Ford need to be very careful that the driving characteristics of the Focus are maintained between the 5 and the 4 pots.

If they are not maintained they run a very real risk of not selling any new Focuses to owners of the current one.

**DJM83** · 20-04-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

I went in and bought one of these when they announced the LV was to be the last of the 5 pot ones, its the age old argument as to which is a better setup less cylinders with higher capacity or more cylinders with slightly less capacity, majority of engines more cylinders results in more torque, the turbo vs na axiom breaks this. But if we compare turbocharged 5 cylinder to turbocharged 4 cylinder it is my firm belief that for the 4 pot to best the 5 potter it would need to be running a much higher level of boost, this will make it outperform the 5 potter but at what cost to reliability?

there is no point building a screamer of an engine that can propel a v8 supercar around Bathurst in 60 seconds flat if it drops its bundle in 10 laps, whenever you increase performance reliability takes a hit. My concern with the upcoming 4 cylinder Focus is how will it compare to the 5 potter in terms of reliability and drivability.

Also the 5 pot in the Focus is a very good engine with good torque at any rev range, this makes it very easy to drive and forgiving of wrong gear choices, if you grab too high a cog it just growls and goes this must be the torque the engine provides. I am very interested to see if the new 4 cylinder engine is as easy to drive and as forgiving of errors. Compared to my xr6 turbo manual if you grab the wrong gear the car really makes you aware of the fact VERY quickly. Wife loves driving the Focus yet hates driving the Xr6 and says "your car hates me" Ford need to be very careful that the driving characteristics of the Focus are maintained between the 5 and the 4 pots.

If they are not maintained they run a very real risk of not selling any new Focuses to owners of the current one.

Interesting thoughts and i somewhat agree.
I doubt Ford would bring the new EB 4 potter in if reliability will be an issue.
The current Focus has more cylinders and more capacity then the newer version, but i think the new one will be a great car, boost levels of the new car will be interesting, with 1 less cylinder and 500cc less capacity
I dont think the new car will have the driveability of the current I5T, i totally agree with what you describe on how it can be forgiving to the driver.
Also for some people (me included) tune ability of the new car will be interesting because with the I5T its very good, it really does accentuate the driveabilty of the car too.
Ive said it before and ill say it again, its going to take a great car to top the current ST/XR5T. It will never have the 5 pot note either