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Yes it does. All 5 of them. J/k
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I just recently purchased a xr6 ute and had to order it asthey had none with the specs i wanted, every dealer i went to had a shedload of rangers and terries but hardly any falcons
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I ask, where are all these Falcons going then? If you add up the total sales (including Sedan, Ute & Territory) vs the new line rate of 148 per day, there should be a heap of Falcons (or Territory?) somewhere unsold. Are they just not building them & the line rate is slower than 148? It seems since the line was slowed, the new sale numbers have been 800-ish for Sedan, 400ish for Ute & 1200-ish for Territory. Is this what we should except from now on? |
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It's not just Ford you have to wait for a vehicle with. I helped a friend trade her Hyundai Santa Fei in on a new model and it's a 3 month wait..............
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What, that all the cars we once though would sell in quantities actually don't. That most walk ins want a cheap XR6 falcon or a value pack G series whatever...? The scary part is that heavily discounted XR6T sedan & Ute did practically nothing to lift Falcon sales last month |
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However, if we look at April by itself there was 20 work days (factoring in 2 public holiday) which means they would have built 2960 cars & they only sold 2398 in Australia. Add 100 odd for NZ & that equals to 2500 sold. Which means there should be an extra 450 cars somewhere unsold compared to the end of March. If we look at March by itself there was 20 work days (factoring in 1 public holiday) which means they would have built 2960 cars & they only sold 2243 in Australia. Add 100 odd for NZ & that equals to 2343 sold. Which means there should be another extra 617 cars somewhere unsold. Adding the extras from April & March & there is 1000+ more cars in the system somewhere, compared to the end of February. My point is, there can't be a shortish of cars, I think it is the oppose! Last edited by Joe5619; 04-05-2013 at 02:56 PM. |
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It doesn't really make sense though, with Ecoboost now established and a 7 year old Commdore which has run out of V8 and base model stock as the main competitor, it should be doing better. |
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I don't believe that Commodore is a competitor to Falcon in the true sense any more. Falcon people buy Falcons, and Commodore people buy Commodores, but neither buyer generally switches from one to the other. They tend to be brand and model enthusiasts more than the buyers of other brands.
You now have a situation where Falcon buyers may be in another model Ford (if they are Ford loyal - Focus, Mondeo, Terri or Ranger), and vice versa with Holden loyal people (Cruze, Captiva). Also, fleets have moved away from these two brands as well. For those that are not brand loyal and don't want 200KW, it's clear where they are spending their money. The point is - Commodore is only a class competitor. Everything is a real competitor, and people are towing their boats, vans and jetskis with 4X4 Hiluxes and Navaras now, if they need to.
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It really is isn't! Could just about afford an NA now. So, i'm nearly in the position to get the turbo ute. Took a LE XR6T Ute for a drive about 2 months ago. Awesome. Priced a Kinetic XR6T auto with luxury pack a few weeks back too. I'll be revisiting the situation in a few months time. I want one pretty bad
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Geelong built about 250 turbo engines last month. That is 1 in 5 turbo engined Falcon utes or sedans. With the current daily build rate we are locked into monthly sales of 1200 Falcons & 1200 Territories until 2014 when the new models launch. Regardless of promotion or not. If Ford can push more people into the turbos which have probably by my reckoning about $3k more profit compared to the NA then that is a good thing. I'm confident that nearly all the turbos would be going to retail buyers too. Better margin than fleet sold XT/G6/XR6. By way of counter argument, I feel that that the current retail offers are probably much closer to fleet offers than recent or even living memory times. Going forward, the proportion of private buyers needs to lift. Ford need to re-engage.
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Ford are advertising the Ecoboost lately which is great, but the car they show is the Mondeo (a car they can't even stock due to a strike at the European facility). Same goes with the EcoLPi. No-one comes in looking for an EcoLPi Falcon. Ecoboost needs to be available in the XR. People want XR6, turbos, G6E or Ute when they go into dealerships.
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I get your idea Phil,
So on the strength of 770 sedan sales we could be looking at a product mix that looks pretty healthy Sedan might consist of about 200 turbos, about 50-80 V8s, 50 odd Ecoboost, 150 LPGs and the rest NA I-6s Utes could be around 50 turbos, 25 V8s, 150 LPG and the rest NA I-6s.. Exploring the idea of Ford offering Turbo sixes to the masses, Just looked at the mean point between a 2.0 Ecoboost and a 4.0 I-6T, which would be a 3.0 I-6 Ecoboost that produces power and torque similar to the XR6T but fuel economy similar to an XR6. Last edited by jpd80; 04-05-2013 at 07:50 PM. |
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If you want to delve into the facts directly related to ford Australia's sales decline (excluding the obvious market segmentation and consumers spoilt for choice), then research the following terms.
2008, 2009, GFC, ford credit, OzCar |
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more people need to see and know about these sharp pricing changes....it doesn't change instantly. The numbers will go up if they keep the prices as is and allow more exposure to the product and their prices.
And don't kid yourself...ford knows it is hard to sell large cars......holden sells hardly any more and they have an inferior product amd spend a lot more on advertising. |
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The first set of graphical results is now uploaded into the Tech portal.
Not a bad overall result for Ford with total sales up 3.3% for the YTD which is considerably better than the 10.3% drop for Holden. Cheers Russ
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Japan Japan Japan And people wonder why Holden/Ford go out of business. |
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Japan Thailand Thailand South Korea with a wee bit of Australian input South Korea Last edited by bobthebilda; 05-05-2013 at 03:49 PM. |
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The Supplementary Statistics are also uploaded now.
With Japan making up 38%, Korea 13% and Thailand 12% of our sales and other imports a further 24% (of which Germany is about a quarter) it is hardly surprising that there isn't much left for local manufacturers. 13% in fact - even in 2007 that was 20%. Cheers Russ
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Holden isn't just Commodore. Ford isn't just Falcon. They are not going out of business. Why do you think they are? Ford globally is the third biggest auto maker. GM is 2nd (if memory serves). They are far from going out of business. Commodore and Falcon are insignificant mosquito bites in the scale of global production to these companies. Do you realise that these companies exist outside of Australia?
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I have to wonder if 717 Falcon sales each month is enough to sustain the Victorian taxi industry, who use over 70% Falcons in their fleets. With about 7000 taxis, mostly ranging in age from 2 years to 6.5 years, I figure they need at a minimum, 1000 Falcons a year to replace those taken out of service. But with only 250 odd Falcons a month ending up sold in Victoria, will this be enough? After all, not all variants are suitable for taxi use (manuals, turbos, G6Es and XR6s are not suitable due to having high resale or using too much fuel), leaving only XTs and G6s as options. I think we're going to see a big shift in the type of taxis we see being used from now on.
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WGAF about the taxi industry, they will adapt, plenty of Territories, Passats, Prius' getting about.
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So it might be nice then if the cab fleets strike up a deal with Ford and start buying new again. Nice in theory but last I heard Ford wasnt chasing them anymore anyway.
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