Ambitious China

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

What is in the best interests of Australia ?

We’re not a Chinese Monopoly.

We’re a multicultural Society, we have our multi cultural ties, and our 5 eye allies, but we’re also not a Chinese slave state.

agree
but we also have a heap of muslim (dubai) owned ports and other investment in australia and i heard similar rhetoric when they were buying up yet im not muslim yet
i also know of expansion in , well at least western australia , from the plymouth brethren in land and business since at least the mid 80's by id say 10 fold at least and ive not been turned in to one of them either
funny thing that currencies from around the world are being spent in acquisition of assets in other countrys on a daily basis

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by wodahs

agree
but we also have a heap of muslim (dubai) owned ports and other investment in australia and i heard similar rhetoric when they were buying up yet im not muslim yet
i also know of expansion in , well at least western australia , from the plymouth brethren in land and business since at least the mid 80's by id say 10 fold at least and ive not been turned in to one of them either
funny thing that currencies from around the world are being spent in acquisition of assets in other countrys on a daily basis

I’m not aligned with the Muslim your thoughts mate (for now).

But I do know the Chinese are a threat unless they are an ally ( which they’re not ATM).

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

What is in the best interests of Australia ?

We’re not a Chinese Monopoly.

We’re a multicultural Society, we have our multi cultural ties, and our 5 eye allies, but we’re also not a Chinese slave state.

There is no such thing as multiculturalism. Either a country is made up of a single people, under a single flag and a single tongue, or it is an unstable mess of different ethnicities establishing their own mini-nations on our own territory.

From https://xyz.net.au/2020/12/daniel-an...australia-day/

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by superyob

There is no such thing as multiculturalism. Either a country is made up of a single people, under a single flag and a single tongue, or it is an unstable mess of different ethnicities establishing their own mini-nations on our own territory.

From https://xyz.net.au/2020/12/daniel-an...australia-day/

Not where I live, you need to get out more mate.
I have lived in my dead end street of 14 houses for 20 years. In that time I have befriended an ever changing array of neighbours. Italians, Greeks, Malaysians, Indians, Timorese, Japanese, Filipino, Chinese, Bangladeshi, Syrians, Vietnamese and white trash Australians. Everyone gets on really well!

Multiculturalism is alive and well and makes this country the greatest place to live. If you can not see that and embrace it I am genuinely sorry for you....

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by superyob

There is no such thing as multiculturalism. Either a country is made up of a single people, under a single flag and a single tongue, or it is an unstable mess of different ethnicities establishing their own mini-nations on our own territory.

From https://xyz.net.au/2020/12/daniel-an...australia-day/

Plenty of languages spoken here in Oz, Australian flag, Aboriginal flag, Eureka flag and many other that are flown at times, plenty of ethnicities that co-exist in Australia = multiculturalism.
I don't know what rock you have been hiding under to think otherwise.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by superyob

There is no such thing as multiculturalism. Either a country is made up of a single people, under a single flag and a single tongue, or it is an unstable mess of different ethnicities establishing their own mini-nations on our own territory.

From https://xyz.net.au/2020/12/daniel-an...australia-day/

Gosh, I was going to reply to a few of the previous post but it seems it doesnt matter if its Trump (RIP), CV19 or China some people will never look at a situation from another's perspective.

The insecurities blind some to the point were they seem to ignore our history and gloss over any western policies that mirror the progression of other countries.

There is a pretty clear trend with those who have an axe to grind, no issue in life is every binary but the way some believe there is us and then everyone else is frightening.

Just because you work with others, can see another point of view other than your own backyard doesnt mean you are suddenly submissive nor want to sell out your country.

Multiculturalism is evil...China is evil....all politicians are corrupt, Trump is a suitable politician, everything is rigged, there some magical line where you stand depending on your political view etc etc...are we making some pointed hats our of the left over face masks?

You wonder why some sites have a ban on anything political.

Just keep in mind that you reap what you sow, in that any unfortunate trade deals we face are our own doing...but lets ignore that, there is a buck to make.

[PG2]

Any further posts that are off-topic will be deleted and warnings handed out. Some of you are just not taking any notice of the mod(s).

If you don't want this thread to be closed, please don't react to the trolls on here. I know that is not easy but please try.

superyob, you are very close to having a holiday from AFF. Think very carefully if you want to reply and/or refer to this post (and that includes in other threads), I have run out of patience with you.

[Polyal]

Well a potential bullet close to home for me, it might be all talk just at the minute but coal in the sights, thats going to be a bigger blow than most people realize.

[wodahs]

see to me , i dont think this will ctipple us , hurt us yes but not cripple
and i still dont understand why we keep trying to keep this one marker
or why these boats of coal have been sitting there for so long , would have thought finding another market for whats sitting and freeing up the ships may not have made as much proffit , but nor the losses incured by now
surely our stuff is just as marketable further around the world
or is there major reasons why we cant flow more with the markets
im also unsure as to what they are trying to achieve by hurting us other than their tit for tat bullying

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by wodahs

see to me , i dont think this will ctipple us , hurt us yes but not cripple
and i still dont understand why we keep trying to keep this one marker
or why these boats of coal have been sitting there for so long , would have thought finding another market for whats sitting and freeing up the ships may not have made as much proffit , but nor the losses incured by now
surely our stuff is just as marketable further around the world
or is there major reasons why we cant flow more with the markets
im also unsure as to what they are trying to achieve by hurting us other than their tit for tat bullying

China's aim is to make us and other nations submissive to them, in simple terms they want to influence and control us.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

China's aim is to make us and other nations submissive to them, in simple terms they want to influence and control us.

Originally Posted by wodahs

see to me , i dont think this will cripple us , hurt us yes but not cripple
and i still dont understand why we keep trying to keep this one marker
or why these boats of coal have been sitting there for so long , would have thought finding another market for whats sitting and freeing up the ships may not have made as much profit , but nor the losses incurred by now
surely our stuff is just as marketable further around the world
or is there major reasons why we cant flow more with the markets
im also unsure as to what they are trying to achieve by hurting us other than their tit for tat bullying

ill state again by hurting us im not understanding what they are trying to achieve other than their tit for tat bullying
i dont believe they will cripple us , so they wont be any coming in to pick up the pieces
and by hurting us it isnt going to influence us in to submission

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by wodahs

ill state again by hurting us im not understanding what they are trying to achieve other than their tit for tat bullying
i dont believe they will cripple us , so they wont be any coming in to pick up the pieces
and by hurting us it isnt going to influence us in to submission

Your understanding is different to my views, I see more than just as tit for tat as you put it.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Your understanding is different to my views, I see more than just as tit for tat as you put it.

your right i dont see your views of world domination through refusal to purchase our goods
thats like domination by playing hard to get
had a girlfriend like that once , played so hard to get i gave up the chase

so let me try to describe it this way
i cant see them achieving what you see via the method they are perusing
hence i dont understand what they really are trying to achieve by doing what they have done

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by wodahs

see to me , i dont think this will ctipple us , hurt us yes but not cripple
and i still dont understand why we keep trying to keep this one marker
or why these boats of coal have been sitting there for so long , would have thought finding another market for whats sitting and freeing up the ships may not have made as much proffit , but nor the losses incured by now
surely our stuff is just as marketable further around the world
or is there major reasons why we cant flow more with the markets
im also unsure as to what they are trying to achieve by hurting us other than their tit for tat bullying

I don't think we've much to worry about China, as they're a poor 3rd in buying our thermal coal...........

"Accounting for nearly half the value of Australia’s thermal coal exports in 2011, Japan was the stand-out buyer
(47.3 per cent), followed by the Republic of Korea (18.7 per cent) and China (12.7 per cent)"

https://www.dfat.gov.au/sites/defaul...01-to-2011.pdf

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[CyberWasp]

It’s time to say all our products or no Iron Ore

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

It’s time to say all our products or no Iron Ore

Interesting you say that since our iron exports prices has just risen by 10%, this will hurt the Chinese parasites and put a dent in their smug attitude.
Karma!

[Bossxr8]

It will be damaging in the short term, but in the long term we are better off not being beholden to these parasites. Let someone else be their bitches.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will be damaging in the short term, but in the long term we are better off ......

Its the 'push' we need to find other markets, hopefully before Aussies suffer.
Surely there is a long term plan to stop coal mining in Australia, sorry in advance to those that depend on this industry but I am sure you are not that surprised that large scale coal mining isnt going to be going on for too much longer. Just the quality **** we need for steel manufacture I guess

Its almost hypocritical to export is we are truly 'going green'. Maybe it then starts to force the coal burners to cleaner power generation ?

Hopefully the ham producers dont complain/suffer from all those cheap lobsters

[Mr_G6ET]

It was called out as 'dont believe all you read' but I see that this 'artificial sun' thing isnt only China tech. Other countries are involved

Quote: 'China, five other countries and the European Union, are involved in the project'


Are they BS or reality ?


Here is the link

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

It was called out as 'dont believe all you read' but I see that this 'artificial sun' thing isnt only China tech. Other countries are involved
Quote: 'China, five other countries and the European Union, are involved in the project'
Are they BS or reality ?

35 countries, including the United States, Russia, China, Britain, Switzerland, India, Japan, South Korea, and the 27 members of the European Union, launched the ITER project

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...1204-0022.html

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Its the 'push' we need to find other markets, hopefully before Aussies suffer.
Surely there is a long term plan to stop coal mining in Australia, sorry in advance to those that depend on this industry but I am sure you are not that surprised that large scale coal mining isnt going to be going on for too much longer. Just the quality **** we need for steel manufacture I guess

Its almost hypocritical to export is we are truly 'going green'. Maybe it then starts to force the coal burners to cleaner power generation ?

Hopefully the ham producers dont complain/suffer from all those cheap lobsters

Don't delude yourself coal will be exported far longer than you can ever imagine.

[MITCHAY]

Well now they are getting to the meat on the bone, the public are going to want a response and a plan from this government.

[burnz]

china is going for our fishing grounds a different way..
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...over-papua-new

[LG17]

I haven't followed the old steel plants but is it possible for us to get them going again and supply our own steel using our own ores?

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by LG17

I haven't followed the old steel plants but is it possible for us to get them going again and supply our own steel using our own ores?

export taxes on raw commodities to help encourage sales on australian exported refined products (eg steelor other)

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by LG17

I haven't followed the old steel plants but is it possible for us to get them going again and supply our own steel using our own ores?

I sure hope that it is at least something being considered but if it were commercially viable they'd already be doing it same as a lot of things.

Just as China would **** off our iron ore tomorrow if it were that easy.

How this spat plays out might change a few things but they are actually paying more for coal at the moment which is just to stick it to us so never rule anything out I reckon.

[Yellow_Festiva]

We learn more about how much China has 'invested' off shore every day.

Last week it was the vast amount of Aussie wineries they control.

Now I heard on the radio today that they have a major stake in the QANTAS baggage handler operations.

What will it be next week I wonder?

[lari1eye]

Thanks for the info about the Qantas baggages handlers.
Wow.
Swissport is one of the companies involved.
Swissport International Ltd. is an aviation services company providing airport ground and cargo handling services owned by Chinese company HNA Group.
Owner: HNA Group
Number of locations: 307 airports
Number of employees: Around 66,000
Headquarters: Opfikon, Switzerland
I wonder if Virgin Airlines has the same deal?
Last week, the Inland rail project granted a $650 million contract
to build a further 300 kms of railway to the Qld border.
One of the two companies involved was John Holland Constructions, which was bought by the Chinese in 2016.
John Holland website lists 99 construction projects in Eastern Australia....???

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by lari1eye

One of the two companies involved was John Holland Constructions, which was bought by the Chinese in 2016.
John Holland website lists 99 construction projects in Eastern Australia....???

Geeze. I didn't know this.......
And this company is directly employed by ARTC
(the pretend Fed Govco corporation) to maintain our railway lines, they have spent an unbelievable amout of time and money allegedly fixing the botched Sydney to Melbourne rail corridor since Feb, but so far have not started work for the inland rail project (Albury to Semour) due to start next year.

[Citroënbender]

Strategic? Nah, purely coincidental.