Gen F HSV GTS Review, 0-100 in 4.4s

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

That pic alone makes me very happy to have GT335

Didn't see the original pic. The Clubby could look like any old black barge, no real presence at all, probably couldn't tell the difference between it and an SS or even an S at 20m.

The GT stands out.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by peaterj

Still haven't seen a GTS in the wild yet and only seen a couple of Clubsports around including this black one at work.

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even when parked, the HSV in front...

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by burnz

even when parked, the HSV in front...

Hey Burnz! How's that big power house Diesel Cruze going? I'll bet your Cruze could beat the GT in 0-100.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Blue Roo

Hey Burnz! How's that big power house Diesel Cruze going? I'll bet your Cruze could beat the GT in 0-100.

it goes very well, but I might have trouble beating the GT.

maybe if I park in front, hrmm..

[Rob 351]

No offence but not the best shot of the Clubby because all that does is show how bloody good looking the GT Falcon is. Geez they are ageing well & yes I am bias.....

[ebv8]

that colour is called "perfect blue" I have a mate with an VE R8 wagon in that colour and another with a Black VF R8 W375 Wagon....nice cars but i prefer the looks of the 2013 E3 over the VF in a wagon at least

by the way has anyone seen how fast these VF GTS' are?
do they do a 4.4? faster? slower?
i want to know what they would do with sticky tyres on a track not just on the street

[jimmyxr6t04]

Originally Posted by ebv8

that colour is called "perfect blue" I have a mate with an VE R8 wagon in that colour and another with a Black VF R8 W375 Wagon....nice cars but i prefer the looks of the 2013 E3 over the VF in a wagon at least

by the way has anyone seen how fast these VF GTS' are?
do they do a 4.4? faster? slower?
i want to know what they would do with sticky tyres on a track not just on the street

Some magazines have quoted as low as 4.1x 0-100km... So they're quite impressive.

Private owners are managing low 12sec 1/4s.... Exhaust, tune and pulley is seeing 10sec 1/4s (that is with standard rubber!!)... They're quite the track weapon.

[timetaker]

Originally Posted by jimmyxr6t04

Some magazines have quoted as low as 4.1x 0-100km... So they're quite impressive.

Private owners are managing low 12sec 1/4s.... Exhaust, tune and pulley is seeing 10sec 1/4s (that is with standard rubber!!)... They're quite the track weapon.

Cannot a Rspec with those mods creep into the 10s?

The FG has managed to age quite well.As soon as the VF was shown I thought I'll give it a year before it starts to look dated.The front still looks like the previous model's Caprice.

[1TUFFUTE]

Not many people noticed that all the times releasesed were not done on the street like every other test in history....including quoted times of GT Rspecs, put up against the track tested GTS times. Not exactly equal testing is it. But 35k difference asside it's a track weapon. Just looks like a poorly designed car!

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Not many people noticed that all the times releasesed were not done on the street like every other test in history....including quoted times of GT Rspecs, put up against the track tested GTS times. Not exactly equal testing is it. But 35k difference asside it's a track weapon. Just looks like a poorly designed car!

Im not sure what you mean, no test times get done on the street

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Not many people noticed that all the times releasesed were not done on the street like every other test in history....including quoted times of GT Rspecs, put up against the track tested GTS times. Not exactly equal testing is it. But 35k difference asside it's a track weapon. Just looks like a poorly designed car!

Please

It looks awesome as does the 335 GT

[jimmyxr6t04]

Originally Posted by timetaker

Cannot a Rspec with those mods creep into the 10s?

The FG has managed to age quite well.As soon as the VF was shown I thought I'll give it a year before it starts to look dated.The front still looks like the previous model's Caprice.

I'm not sure that it would with standard rubber?

I like the GTS, but i also love my GT. Would be happy to own both if i could! Would also love an F6, then i could safely say i have 3 of the best Aussie cars ever!

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by jimmyxr6t04

Some magazines have quoted as low as 4.1x 0-100km... So they're quite impressive.

Private owners are managing low 12sec 1/4s.... Exhaust, tune and pulley is seeing 10sec 1/4s (that is with standard rubber!!)... They're quite the track weapon.

Yep Active Automotives GTS has run a best time of 10.4 with those mods plus an intake I think on stock tyres

[dragons90]

Normally there done on the straight of a circuit or past the start line of the drag strip so not to affected by the extra traction, that's why every review says the auto f6 does a 13sec 1/4 yet they and do 12s.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by dragons90

Normally there done on the straight of a circuit or past the start line of the drag strip so not to affected by the extra traction, that's why every review says the auto f6 does a 13sec 1/4 yet they and do 12s.

If you go back to all the GTS reviews...they were all done on high grip drag strips against other cars or comparos. The tests that weren't at the DRAGS contained ZERO performance figures. Every test in history has provided performance figures even if they were on the street or at low grip race tracks. The media had the GTS for months of testing including days at Phillip Island and still no performance figures untill it hit high grip DRAG strips. The GTS is the first car to ever be tested like this......go and check....it's been brought up before!
Then Rspec DRAG times were posted and there's a bees whisker in it.

[XR Martin]

Just remember guys, once the Falcon and Commodore are gone you will have to come up other things to argue and whinge about
Arguing over what is faster, and Aurion or a Genesis just isnt going to be as interesting.

[XD ESP! XELR8]

Lads the GTS is a beast, just like I said before it was even released..

LSA =s grunt..

Only if FPV used the GT500 donk with a chassis to handle the grunt!!

Been good while it lasted 04ish (phoon) to 2013, 9 years of owning Holden's and hsvs..

Even the mrs gives em a touch up of the lights now..

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by XD ESP! XELR8

Lads the GTS is a beast, just like I said before it was even released..

LSA =s grunt..

Only if FPV used the GT500 donk with a chassis to handle the grunt!!

Been good while it lasted 04ish (phoon) to 2013, 9 years of owning Holden's and hsvs..

Even the mrs gives em a touch up of the lights now..

They had us for V8's from VN to VE. When they put the 335 motor into the FG is when we took over. The barra 6t was quicker than their v8s though

[fgpsi]

How anyone could say that this does not look good or is a joke of a design etc baffles me. The e1 was the last hsv I liked as when the e2 came out they went over the top. This one is just right. I'm not a fan of the other VF hsv's, I just like the GTS.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

How anyone could say that this does not look good or is a joke of a design etc baffles me. The e1 was the last hsv I liked as when the e2 came out they went over the top. This one is just right. I'm not a fan of the other VF hsv's, I just like the GTS.

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I totally agree mate, I think that it's a fantastic looking car. Everything about it is an amazing achievement. I remember the feeling of disillusionment in late '99 when the VTII GTS came out. It was a world beater which very few 4 door sedans could match. Compare it at the time to what Ford/Tickford's best available offering was, and there was daylight between the two.

Fast forward 14 years and the FG GT R-spec is a far cry from leaving the same gap between itself and the VF GTS compared to what an auto only 220kw TS50 gave up in comparison to a VTII GTS. But nonetheless, the VF GTS, like its predecessor when it was released 14 years prior, is taking the fight up to the Euro's.

I recall back in the AU days, Tickford's MD David Flint saying the following: "We're not going to build cars which will make your nose bleed". Don't get me wrong, the F6 and supercharged GT are fantastic cars and very good value for money. But they aren't world beaters in either performance or being feature packed. The comments were however in my opinion, symbolic of the attitude that second best will suffice.

I'll always be a Ford man, but history will always remember Holden/HSV as the Aussie car company who dared to dream big, and who did in fact build cars that were a lot closer to 'making your nose bleed' than anything Ford/Tickford/FPV ever produced.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I totally agree mate, I think that it's a fantastic looking car. Everything about it is an amazing achievement. I remember the feeling of disillusionment in late '99 when the VTII GTS came out. It was a world beater which very few 4 door sedans could match. Compare it at the time to what Ford/Tickford's best available offering was, and there was daylight between the two.

Fast forward 14 years and the FG GT R-spec is a far cry from leaving the same gap between itself and the VF GTS compared to what an auto only 220kw TS50 gave up in comparison to a VTII GTS. But nonetheless, the VF GTS, like its predecessor when it was released 14 years prior, is taking the fight up to the Euro's.

I recall back in the AU days, Tickford's MD David Flint saying the following: "We're not going to build cars which will make your nose bleed". Don't get me wrong, the F6 and supercharged GT are fantastic cars and very good value for money. But they aren't world beaters in either performance or being feature packed. The comments were however in my opinion, symbolic of the attitude that second best will suffice.

I'll always be a Ford man, but history will always remember Holden/HSV as the Aussie car company who dared to dream big, and who did in fact build cars that were a lot closer to 'making your nose bleed' than anything Ford/Tickford/FPV ever produced.

No offense but your looking at it almost from a sore looser point of view. Your picking out moments in history that suit your comments. Your vt GTS holds nothing to when our turbo falcons were actually considered the best performance sedans in the WORLD under 100k. And it was ALL Aussie. No American tax payer engine in there my friend.
And this GTS like some have recognized is not only a very niche car, selling very few at a large price.....it certainly isn't available to the masses.......ford has had far better performance cars for over ten years now in turbo six or sc 5.0 form that are cheap and available to the masses. Just look at the millions of examples of ford guys spending chump change and getting their factory car all of a sudden 400+rwkws!
Holden will be remembered by a few die hards, for the American powered GTS.......the masses will remember the blackmail,lieing and screwing of the public and their employees. The cheap Asian rebadged imports, far inferior models in every category, the massive high import content in its 'Australian' cars and it's blatant spending money left right and centre when their future was in limbo.
This awesome GTS is a blip on the radar in what's nothing more then another American blunder, but his time on our soil.
So yours and others comments may suggest Holden won this little battle with the awesome vf GTS, but in truth they've lost the war.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

No offense but your looking at it almost from a sore looser point of view. Your picking out moments in history that suit your comments. Your vt GTS holds nothing to when our turbo falcons were actually considered the best performance sedans in the WORLD under 100k. And it was ALL Aussie. No American tax payer engine in there my friend.
And this GTS like some have recognized is not only a very niche car, selling very few at a large price.....it certainly isn't available to the masses.......ford has had far better performance cars for over ten years now in turbo six or sc 5.0 form that are cheap and available to the masses. Just look at the millions of examples of ford guys spending chump change and getting their factory car all of a sudden 400+rwkws!
Holden will be remembered by a few die hards, for the American powered GTS.......the masses will remember the blackmail,lieing and screwing of the public and their employees. The cheap Asian rebadged imports, far inferior models in every category, the massive high import content in its 'Australian' cars and it's blatant spending money left right and centre when their future was in limbo.
This awesome GTS is a blip on the radar in what's nothing more then another American blunder, but his time on our soil.
So yours and others comments may suggest Holden won this little battle with the awesome vf GTS, but in truth they've lost the war.

No offence but I think your the one looking at it from a "sore loser" point of view.

Falcon and Commodore are dead (or soon to be) as we know it, Commodore has gone out on a high. The Falcon looks as though (we can't be 100% certain) that it's going out with a whimper... unfortunately.

Millions of examples

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

No offence but I think your the one looking at it from a "sore loser" point of view.

Falcon and Commodore are dead (or soon to be) as we know it, Commodore has gone out on a high. The Falcon looks as though (we can't be 100% certain) that it's going out with a whimper... unfortunately.

Millions of examples

I don't know about that really. While the GTS is what it is ..... the FPV335 is ballistic and owning one has been the best driving experience I have had in any new car I have owned for the past 30 years. The fact that the price was where I could afford one .... well that is just a bonus because if it was GTS money, no way could I experience it.

You enjoying your new GTS????? Love to hear your opinion on it No use having a car that the majority can only dream about, while even the GT or GS may be expensive compared to std Falcon, the GTS is IMO another bracket where Euro's belong.

I call that going out in with an absolute bang and I absolutely thank FORD (FPV) for the experience and if that is it, so be it

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

No offense but your looking at it almost from a sore looser point of view. Your picking out moments in history that suit your comments. Your vt GTS holds nothing to when our turbo falcons were actually considered the best performance sedans in the WORLD under 100k. And it was ALL Aussie. No American tax payer engine in there my friend.
And this GTS like some have recognized is not only a very niche car, selling very few at a large price.....it certainly isn't available to the masses.......ford has had far better performance cars for over ten years now in turbo six or sc 5.0 form that are cheap and available to the masses. Just look at the millions of examples of ford guys spending chump change and getting their factory car all of a sudden 400+rwkws!
Holden will be remembered by a few die hards, for the American powered GTS.......the masses will remember the blackmail,lieing and screwing of the public and their employees. The cheap Asian rebadged imports, far inferior models in every category, the massive high import content in its 'Australian' cars and it's blatant spending money left right and centre when their future was in limbo.
This awesome GTS is a blip on the radar in what's nothing more then another American blunder, but his time on our soil.
So yours and others comments may suggest Holden won this little battle with the awesome vf GTS, but in truth they've lost the war.

No offence taken, and that's your opinion which you're more than entitled to having. I know that Ford have had better performance cars over all compared to Holden since the BA F6 Typhoon was released, and that's only thanks to the turbo 6, prior to 2010 when the supercharged 5.0 litre was released.

I'm no "sore loser" like you stated, but you can't deny that Ford/Tickford/FPV had huge opportunities to strike while the iron was hot so to speak, by building a world class performance car to keep up with HSV going right back to the early 90's when the EB GT was released.

I won't clog up this thread by going OT with examples of how Ford could have suitably 'returned serve' to Holden/HSV, because to me they're pretty obvious, but to the powers that be/bean counters who saw it as an insurmountable added expense to go the extra mile, not only did they stifle the potential success of Tickford/FPV, but some of the decisions were actually a big loss for the Ford enthusiast/consumer.

All I'll say is that while Ford released, at various stages over the last two decades, a fantastic Australian designed and developed product - they certainly didn't harm the aftermarket by fitting factory kit that couldn't be upgraded from. VE Commodore onwards is a much more complete package of performance car when compared to the equivalent BF/FG of the time, and VF has taken that next step again where I feel that the FH Faclon will lose even more ground to.

[PepeLePew]

There is no baffling involved. Simply....looks are subjective. End of story. I don't like it, it's nothing about red vs blue. I liked VE, it was a design that gel'ed front rear side quarter view all made sense. VF looks mean, but not cohesive. To me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me though. Thank God we're all different.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

There is no baffling involved. Simply....looks are subjective. End of story. I don't like it, it's nothing about red vs blue. I liked VE, it was a design that gel'ed front rear side quarter view all made sense. VF looks mean, but not cohesive. To me. I don't expect everyone to agree with me though. Thank God we're all different.

Everyone is different. I hated the VE except for the e1 hsv's. But comments like 'the designers must have been drunk when designing the Gen F' or whatever was said are just plain silly

[nstg8a]

I have to admit the gts is growing on me looks wise, seen some very nice ones getting around....

[PepeLePew]

Yeah ill pass on the emotive comments myself also I prefer to have a opinion and not trash everyone else's. I mean scratch the surface and it's a awesome piece of kit albeit irrelevant to my budget Interesting you mention VE HSV's they are certainly equally polarizing esp E3.

[brismike]

To me the VF GTS looks like bits of lego cobbled together especially from front on. They do not have the nice clean lines of the FG GT.

But I do love that blue colour in the second last pic that fgpsi posted. Wish FPV did a GT in that colour.

Mike

[anto]

yep lego is the one word I would use to describe it.

seems like Im in the minority but I rekon theGT still owns it in the looks dept.

so much love for HSV and VF's in general

oh well to each their own.