NSW Cyclists Fined $1.33m in 2016.

[blackf6]

Nice Moto. Where is the donk though?

[commodorenutt]

There's plenty of options in the background - all rated at 1hp though - 1 human power.....

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by blackf6

Nice Moto. Where is the donk though?

Hahah stuff that then i have to pay this silly rego everyone is talking about. Least with the pushy i dont have to worry about rego at all

[prydey]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

This.

Living in rural areas cyclists don't bother me either, as there are no traffic lights and no traffic to speak of, often I can travel 50-100km without seeing another vehicle, or cyclist.

I did spend a lot of time living in Sydney and travelling during peak hour, and cyclists cause major traffic havoc, are a danger to themselves and others and flaunt road rules, running reds, lane splitting even damaging vehicles stopped at the lights as they ride past scratching duco and side mirrors as they zip past, then disappearing in the traffic, with no identifying markers.

At least if a car or motorbike does similar you have a chance of grabbing a number plate.

Then there is the issues they cause pedestrians as they zoom across and along footpaths in an effort to circumvent red lights and other traffic control measures.

Anyone that says otherwise really has their head in the sand, as I used to witness all this daily, since moving from the big smoke to a rural setting none of these things are an issue. So it really depends where you are as it may not be a problem in all places.

There may be a number of cyclists who do not do this but I am willing to bet that 90% will do any one of these things each time they head out onto the road for a commute or ride, be honest with yourselves

Every time i get in my car, I see other cars running red lights, driving without lights on, falling to indicate, failing to give way, speeding etc etc. Of course no one goes around saying 90% of car drivers do this every time they head out. That would be extremely illogical. Strange then that someone sees a few guys riding bikes doing the wrong thing and feel it accurate to label all bike riders the same. Logical?? No!

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

This.

Living in rural areas cyclists don't bother me either, as there are no traffic lights and no traffic to speak of, often I can travel 50-100km without seeing another vehicle, or cyclist.

I did spend a lot of time living in Sydney and travelling during peak hour, and cyclists cause major traffic havoc, are a danger to themselves and others and flaunt road rules, running reds, lane splitting even damaging vehicles stopped at the lights as they ride past scratching duco and side mirrors as they zip past, then disappearing in the traffic, with no identifying markers.

At least if a car or motorbike does similar you have a chance of grabbing a number plate.

Then there is the issues they cause pedestrians as they zoom across and along footpaths in an effort to circumvent red lights and other traffic control measures.

Anyone that says otherwise really has their head in the sand, as I used to witness all this daily, since moving from the big smoke to a rural setting none of these things are an issue. So it really depends where you are as it may not be a problem in all places.

There may be a number of cyclists who do not do this but I am willing to bet that 90% will do any one of these things each time they head out onto the road for a commute or ride, be honest with yourselves

Been riding for 5yrs and have never the done the things you have described. EVER! Thats being deadset honest and serious. Bear in mind, recently in SA it was made legal to ride a bicycle on the footpath

[ratter]

Stopped at lights today, 2 lanes to go straight through the intersection and 1 turning right lane, I'm about 3 cars back in the turn right lane, light has been red for several minutes, witness a motorbike squeeze down the centre of the 2 straight lanes, actually appeared to knock a couple of car mirrors, gets to the front so now in the centre, turns left straight through a red light. I bet 90% of motorbike riders do this

[ronwest]

Originally Posted by blackf6

We call them fridgies in OZ.

Is that the generic term now?

"Fridgies" used to be specific to Frigmobile.

I can't think what the generic term used to be - probably just "fridge pans" (for refrigerated pantechnicon).

Mind you, I haven't been near a truck since 1980 so happy to learn.

[blackf6]

Fridge vans. Fridgies. Any pantec with a fridge motor.

[xr8cam]

Maybe the problem with negative views on cyclists is this is a Car forum! I wonder if the bike riders forums are majority car hater's?

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by blackf6

We call them fridgies in OZ.

Or reefers
http://southwestcontainers.com.au/re...ing-containers

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by xr8cam

Maybe the problem with negative views on cyclists is this is a Car forum! I wonder if the bike riders forums are majority car hater's?

Don't bother mate,this sums the prob up
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Come fine me up here. Ill obey the laws mostly but up here no one cares really. And just to annoy the anti cyclist movement.
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I don't think there is an anti cycling movement, the movement is what cyclists create themselves.

Like I posted earlier I ride a bike at least 3 to 4 days a week, but I do it in the bush on dirt tracks not in peak hour Sydney traffic, even when living in Sydney I used to ride in Western Sydney regional parklands, or on the cycle ways around the same area.

Not blocking a lane of the Hume highway during peak hour.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by ratter

Stopped at lights today, 2 lanes to go straight through the intersection and 1 turning right lane, I'm about 3 cars back in the turn right lane, light has been red for several minutes, witness a motorbike squeeze down the centre of the 2 straight lanes, actually appeared to knock a couple of car mirrors, gets to the front so now in the centre, turns left straight through a red light. I bet 90% of motorbike riders do this

Lets not start on numb nutted motorcyclists this thread has been going on long enough as it is

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by prydey

Every time i get in my car, I see other cars running red lights, driving without lights on, falling to indicate, failing to give way, speeding etc etc. Of course no one goes around saying 90% of car drivers do this every time they head out. That would be extremely illogical. Strange then that someone sees a few guys riding bikes doing the wrong thing and feel it accurate to label all bike riders the same. Logical?? No!

Considering how many cars are on the road, I very very rarely see a car running a red light, I can probably count it on one hand.

Re the bikes I see it every single time I pull up at any set of lights in Sydney traffic, without fail.

They will ride up between cars to the front of the cue and balance on their bike, using the traffic light like a stop sign, zooming through when clear of traffic . You can twist it how you like. Alternatively when at a red light they will then ride up on the foot path and use the green pedestrian crossing light to cross the intersection before getting back to blocking a lane when they get past the set of lights.

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by ratter

Stopped at lights today, 2 lanes to go straight through the intersection and 1 turning right lane, I'm about 3 cars back in the turn right lane, light has been red for several minutes, witness a motorbike squeeze down the centre of the 2 straight lanes, actually appeared to knock a couple of car mirrors, gets to the front so now in the centre, turns left straight through a red light. I bet 90% of motorbike riders do this

Should have got his number budd,at least you can identify him with a rego plate. I'm sure the same fella rides a push bike,and drives a car,and walks.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Been riding for 5yrs and have never the done the things you have described. EVER! Thats being deadset honest and serious. Bear in mind, recently in SA it was made legal to ride a bicycle on the footpath

Sorry but I don't believe you unless you are the only one in Australia.

So when you get to a set of lights you line up at the back of the cue, behind all the cars?? You never overtake stationary cars waiting at the lights to get the the front of the cue of traffic??

You are saying in 5 years of riding you have never broken a single traffic rule??

Again I am sorry but I can't and don't believe it, we will just have to agree to disagree.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by Dave1966

Or reefers
http://southwestcontainers.com.au/re...ing-containers

Only Seppo's say that.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by Dave1966

Or reefers
http://southwestcontainers.com.au/re...ing-containers

Only Seppo's say that. Or Cheech and Chong.

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Sorry but I don't believe you unless you are the only one in Australia.

So when you get to a set of lights you line up at the back of the cue, behind all the cars?? You never overtake stationary cars waiting at the lights to get the the front of the cue of traffic??

You are saying in 5 years of riding you have never broken a single traffic rule??

Again I am sorry but I can't and don't believe it, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Amazing. I saw a very similar thing yesterday. Cyclist overtaken by cars in a polite legal manner,red traffic lights,up he goes to the front and straight through the lights. Then he's in the outside lane holding up the same traffic again despite there being a bike lane he could use! bad riding at its best,not indicative of the majority I agree but I see it regularly.
Remember what the wise man pwydey says."denial is a river in Egypt "

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by blackf6

Only Seppo's say that. Or Cheech and Chong.

Born in east LA maaaaan

[ratter]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Alternatively when at a red light they will then ride up on the foot path and use the green pedestrian crossing light to cross the intersection before getting back to blocking a lane when they get past the set of lights.

is that much different to the driver who drives through the servo on a corner rather than wait at a red light, or the driver who will turn into a service side road to avoid stopping at a red light?

[Dave1966]

Originally Posted by ratter

is that much different to the driver who drives through the servo on a corner rather than wait at a red light, or the driver who will turn into a service side road to avoid stopping at a red light?

Well yeah,if some driver collects the red light avoiding rider as they rapidly manouver in and out of the traffic and pedestrian flow he or she will have that in their memory for life thru no fault of their own. all over the place like a mad person crap as they say,it's bloody dangerous for everyone,the other examples are not kosher either that's for sure but I'd rather the memory of a minor prang with an idiot driver than the memory of a cyclist as my bonnet mascot and possibly causing serious injuries to them. why do they risk it

[prydey]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Sorry but I don't believe you unless you are the only one in Australia.

So when you get to a set of lights you line up at the back of the cue, behind all the cars?? You never overtake stationary cars waiting at the lights to get the the front of the cue of traffic??

You are saying in 5 years of riding you have never broken a single traffic rule??

Again I am sorry but I can't and don't believe it, we will just have to agree to disagree.

If there is no bike lane I wait in the queue. Also never run a red light. Fact. I know I'm not alone because those I ride with do the same.

On my drive to work tonight I counted at least 5 red light runners. I won't mention speeders or phone users.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by prydey

If there is no bike lane I wait in the queue. Also never run a red light. Fact. I know I'm not alone because those I ride with do the same.

On my drive to work tonight I counted at least 5 red light runners. I won't mention speeders or phone users.

Cool you must belong to the 10% then.

Do the other 90% annoy you as much as they annoy me and other road users??

Genuine question.

Since I drive modified cars, pretty much every car I own or drive is modified and I get genuinely annoyed if people in modified cars act like dicks on puiblic roads as it makes me look bad as well.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by ratter

is that much different to the driver who drives through the servo on a corner rather than wait at a red light, or the driver who will turn into a service side road to avoid stopping at a red light?

It is different as they don't lane split to race ahead of cars stopped at traffic lights only to get to the front of the cue, then to hold up traffic when they get there. Plus they are registered vehicles that can be tracked and easily fined if they run red lights (red light cameras etc).

While someone on a bike will run through a red light camera with no risk of getting prosecuted as there are no identifying markers.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Cool you must belong to the 10% then.

Do the other 90% annoy you as much as they annoy me and other road users??

Genuine question.

Since I drive modified cars, pretty much every car I own or drive is modified and I get genuinely annoyed if people in modified cars act like dicks on puiblic roads as it makes me look bad as well.

See first paragraph, post #8.

I just don't agree with you on the percentage of good v bad.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by prydey

I just don't agree with you on the percentage of good v bad.

Yeah I am probably being generous in my estimate, as in many years of driving (I am nearly 50) I am yet to come across these responsible cyclists, it's probably more like 5% and 95%, but we can happily disagree on that.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I am yet to come across these responsible cyclists,

Yeah, we hide away with the considerate motorists

[ratter]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

It is different as they don't lane split to race ahead of cars stopped at traffic lights only to get to the front of the cue, then to hold up traffic when they get there. Plus they are registered vehicles that can be tracked and easily fined if they run red lights (red light cameras etc).

While someone on a bike will run through a red light camera with no risk of getting prosecuted as there are no identifying markers.

you seem to have confused different situations in order to just study the wrong doing by some drivers, maybe 90% of drivers 😉

[jpblue1000]

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