Have some interesting questions about way todays world is

[car10002]

Hi

have some interesting questions and wanted to get your thoughts.

1. why does it seem like people no longer care about the elderly and what ages are worse? Would it be because the current elderly are probably only going to be around a few more years and people don’t see point?

2. when someone is trying to back out car parks why do people rush through or pull out or just walk behind when they can see you’re trying to get in or out?

3. why does it seem that people these days feel entitled? What ages or younger seem worse and why? Was talking to a aunt and she thinks it’s probably people early 50s and under.

5. why does it seem like people loose patience on roads and shops? What would cause that and is there certain age? It seems middle aged and younger.

6. why do current youths seem entitled and gen z around place (do know the parents would be 70s gen x and 80s gen y).

7. why do current youths seem entitled in schools (do know the parents would be 70s gen x and 80s gen y).

8. why does it seem like both parents have to work full time now and not try make do with one full time and one part time income like people used to do, do know people that still do that and make it work.

[Toiler]

Many of your points can be summarised under the heading of increasing lack of empathy for others in our society and/or an increasing number of sociopaths. Why - I do not know. I have suspicions only.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by car10002

8. why does it seem like both parents have to work full time now and not try make do with one full time and one part time income like people used to do, do know people that still do that and make it work.

I will get shot down for this , but people are greedier these days, my generation and those before were quite happy to do with less and play the long game. Young people now want (not need, but WANT) everything NOW, even if it means having a debt that keeps them awake at night. We played the long game.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by car10002

8. why does it seem like both parents have to work full time now and not try make do with one full time and one part time income like people used to do, do know people that still do that and make it work.

Australia’s median house price has hit a record $1.113 million, as the latest data reveals a mixed capital-city market with staggering price growth in Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and Sydney, and a decline in Melbourne.

https://www.domain.com.au/news/austr...llion-1279498/

What Is The Median Salary In Australia?

Average salary figures are great for creating sensationalist headlines but are poor at providing meaningful insights.

Median income figures paint a very different picture.

If we instead turn to the median — the exact middle number in a range — we find a typical average income for employed Australians is closer to $56,547 (based on ABS data from 2020-21).

https://arielle.com.au/average-australian-salary/

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.domain.com.au/news/austr...llion-1279498/



https://arielle.com.au/average-australian-salary/

When I heard the latest news headline about average incomes I thought...absolutely no way and this article you have linked explains it well..The problem is which number, average or median is used by those in power when they make decisions because the wrong decision effects and hurts....

And anyone in small business/self-employed only knows too well what advice their accountants provide which would also cause an artificially lower personal income number as part of that persons/businesses tax minimisation plans...

I know a family friend on my wifes side, CEO of a industrial company that started on $2million base salary 10 years ago.....I'd guess he earned more than 3/4 his combined relatives after inc bonuses etc.. at his child's birthday party...if you took the average wage or median wage in that function I'd want to be closer to the average wage number

[BENT_8]

People in general only care about 1 thing and thats themselves, if, in order to achieve what they want/need, impacts others negatively then its just bad luck, zero consideration is given for others.
If adults conduct themselves in that manner then its hardly suprising that kids pick up those attitudes which only get worse with each generation.

Why does it get worse, because in order to not only have nice things but simply survive in Australia with a roof over your head and food on the table it takes 2 wages and when you have 2 wages you have an absence of parental control in the home.

But hey, I may have to pay $4.50 for a can of coke but the rent on my investment property went up 150% this year and the capital gains on my PPOR lets me fund my new Taicab and mcmansionvan

[car10002]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I will get shot down for this , but people are greedier these days, my generation and those before were quite happy to do with less and play the long game. Young people now want (not need, but WANT) everything NOW, even if it means having a debt that keeps them awake at night. We played the long game.

When you say young people what ages in particular?

What is reason why people don’t care about elderly anymore and is there a particular generation and age group, would it be because they don’t see point as they will only be around a few more years given their age now, it is sad people see it that way.

A aunt thinks it’s people around early 50s and under and another aunts friend thinks similar

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

When I heard the latest news headline about average incomes I thought...absolutely no way and this article you have linked explains it well..The problem is which number, average or median is used by those in power when they make decisions because the wrong decision effects and hurts....

And anyone in small business/self-employed only knows too well what advice their accountants provide which would also cause an artificially lower personal income number as part of that persons/businesses tax minimisation plans...

I know a family friend on my wifes side, CEO of a industrial company that started on $2million base salary 10 years ago.....I'd guess he earned more than 3/4 his combined relatives after inc bonuses etc.. at his child's birthday party...if you took the average wage or median wage in that function I'd want to be closer to the average wage number

Yep, that's why I was careful to compare median to median, rather than median to average

Imagine servicing an $800,000+ mortgage, the problem is on the median wage you'd be able to borrow $300K-$350K maximum, bit short of the $1.13M you need for a house.

Be lucky to get a 1 bedroom shoebox 60m2 apartment for that.

Hell even here in shitsville you need $800K for house and land package.

Couldn't give a **** what my oldies do - I want them to enjoy the last 1/3rd of their lives because they didn't enjoy the first 2/3rds that's for sure.

[anobserver]

Critiquing the young is hardly a new sport.

`The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers.'

(Commonly attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 (1953)

As i recall, there is an age cohort that self branded as the Me generation. But questioning their preferences is verboten, apparently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...l-handbag.html

Here for the TLDR crowd:
https://www.arkhaven.com/comics/come...92-inheritance

I'll get the popcorn. Take your time.

[simon varley]

I truly don't think anything is any different to what it's always been. People have always been selfish and greedy. The difference is that now, we are bombarded 24/7 with examples from all around the world, so it simply seems things are 'worse'

[T3rminator]

What's the definition of "elderly"? For me its 80+. I would challenge the notion that people no longer care about the elderly. We stayed isolated for 2 years to protect the elderly. 90% of the people did it without bitching and moaning...too much.

The rest is a product of society as a whole. Its how each generation has raised the next. What do you get taught as a kid? Who is the most important person in the world?

[Ben73]

People are probably more selfish and entitled these days due to the internet. It might seem like an easy thing to blame, but constant dopamine hits basically changes your brain. It’s also most likely the reason why so many people are depressed these days. Whenever their constant dopamine is interrupted they go down hill fast.

I think people still care for the elderly though.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yep, that's why I was careful to compare median to median, rather than median to average

Imagine servicing an $800,000+ mortgage, the problem is on the median wage you'd be able to borrow $300K-$350K maximum, bit short of the $1.13M you need for a house.

Be lucky to get a 1 bedroom shoebox 60m2 apartment for that.

Hell even here in shitsville you need $800K for house and land package.

Couldn't give a **** what my oldies do - I want them to enjoy the last 1/3rd of their lives because they didn't enjoy the first 2/3rds that's for sure.

there are lots more places to live than a capital city - media loves to blow things up to make the story far more interesting than it really is

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

there are lots more places to live than a capital city - media loves to blow things up to make the story far more interesting than it really is

I don't live in a capital city, yet it's still close to 7 figures, I live on its outskirts however I work in a 4000km2 area across Melbourne and what I do for work requires industry (apprentice industrial electrician)

Most people can't just up and move to further regional areas, because their work is based around capital cities, some of our guys want to move into regional VIC but there's no work for them, you need large infrastructure, or industry to have the roles that we do.

There's a tiny bit in regional areas with food processing but they don't usually have the demand for what we do, they usually have one or two guys per operation.

Which means we're tied to either living in capital cities or on their outskirts.

No doubt there's probably hospitality work and other bits and bobs further regional but you still won't be getting decent enough wages to buy something.

Edit: Shepparton has a little bit of industry and a few roles

https://www.seek.com.au/job/77360013

[cosworthfreak]

Would this thread be better in the Bar (non-automotive chat)?

[b0son]

I would say todays generation are definitely more about lifestyle and enjoying life now rather than wait til you're settled/secure/older. But can you blame them? A house now will require you pay it off until almost retirement, and take up so much of your income you cant put extra in or save the surplus. Thats for the lucky ones that can afford it, increasingly, most cant and are consigned to a life of rent. A wage requires you put 10% into super because forget about a pension that will be anything close to a comfortable existence. That's if you even have super. The young were encouraged to raid their super during covid all in the name of protecting the old. Private health cover is basically mandatory now because you're slugged with extra tax if you dont have it, and the premiums are structured such that the young subsidize the old. And the old want to criticise the young now??

Yeah, I'd live for today too TBH....

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

there are lots more places to live than a capital city - media loves to blow things up to make the story far more interesting than it really is

It goes both ways. The media love to paint the picture that young people aren't sacrificing and that's why home ownership is difficult for them.

It just ignores the facts.

I was able to buy a house in '98 when my wife and I got married. Paid $92k. At the time it was about double our combined income (I was an apprentice). We had 2 cars as we both worked. Once kids came along after 2years,my wife stopped working and we've been able to live on a single income since.

I'm still in the same job. I live 45min at least from the city. I definitely couldn't afford to buy a house now even though my income has risen substantially.

I have no idea why some older generations have trouble admitting that it is more difficult now to buy a house.

House prices are closer to 10x the average income now. Utilities /rates etc are also much higher.

To ignore this and claim that young people just need to try harder is just ignoring the readily available facts.

No one is suggesting previous generations didn't do it tough. Of course they did. It's just harder now to own a home.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

And anyone in small business/self-employed only knows too well what advice their accountants provide which would also cause an artificially lower personal income number as part of that persons/businesses tax minimisation plans...

You cant hide profit. It either exists or it doesnt. The only difference is the tax rate, but eventually it flows to me and it's taxed at the marginal rate. The only benefit is if there are pseudo-personal expenses that can be put through the business. The big rort is superannuation, with all sorts of tax minimisation methods that let you bank profit into your super. But unsurprisingly, its the boomers that were taking full advantage of this, not the young, and a lot of these methods are slowly being tightened up, such that I cant take advantage in anywhere near the way my parents have.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

It goes both ways. The media love to paint the picture that young people aren't sacrificing and that's why home ownership is difficult for them.

It just ignores the facts.

I was able to buy a house in '98 when my wife and I got married. Paid $92k. At the time it was about double our combined income (I was an apprentice). We had 2 cars as we both worked. Once kids came along after 2years,my wife stopped working and we've been able to live on a single income since.

I'm still in the same job. I live 45min at least from the city. I definitely couldn't afford to buy a house now even though my income has risen substantially.

I have no idea why some older generations have trouble admitting that it is more difficult now to buy a house.

House prices are closer to 10x the average income now. Utilities /rates etc are also much higher.

To ignore this and claim that young people just need to try harder is just ignoring the readily available facts.

No one is suggesting previous generations didn't do it tough. Of course they did. It's just harder now to own a home.

Another thing is post code discrimination when going for work too, I'm touch and go where I live because I'm about an hour away from the workshop, and most employers consider commute times over 30 minutes 'too long' so you can land yourself off an opportunity if they think you're too far away from them and they determine your travel times are too long.

We've got this going with a candidate at the moment on the other side of the city, guy is highly skilled but his location (in Melbourne) is over this arbitrary 30 minute mark, so thats working against him.

Its not an eccentric thing either, I've had it come up in interviews a couple times now where they ask where you live and then raise concerns about driving more than 30 minutes. I kind of live in this area where I'm an hour away from Melbourne and the other large regional cities so no one is happy about my hour commute to get to anyone

Mind you on Monday I'm working near the VIC/NSW border again and then coming back after the job is partially done Monday night so explain that to me - they get upset over longer than 30 minute commutes but I'm driving circa 500km for a couple hours worth of work

Another time I did 900km worth of driving in a day for 1.5 hours worth of work - doesn't bother me but I get a laugh out of the 'are you OK with driving an hour to work' concerns everywhere.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by car10002

5. why does it seem like people loose patience on roads and shops? What would cause that and is there certain age? It seems middle aged and younger.



8. why does it seem like both parents have to work full time now and not try make do with one full time and one part time income like people used to do, do know people that still do that and make it work.

5. There's actually studies that show an increase in impatience since the covid pandemic and its not just Australia but globally.

Observing behave on the road it definitely rings true from my perspective however impatience has always existed. In my view it's the single biggest killer on the road. Most accidents can be attributed to some form of impatience. A large number of the population are useless at maths and applying it in real life. Getting stuck behind a slower vehicle isn't costing you a great deal of time. Usually it could be measured in seconds, however many carry on as though they are losing hours from their day. I used to be one of them. It took until well in to my 30's to realise this truth and to just allow more time whenever I drove anywhere.

It comes back to being self absorbed. Many don't think about others and think what they are doing is more important. Society in general now is very selfish.

8. Needing 2 incomes is driven by necessity in most cases. In some cases people choose that lifestyle, or have a lifestyle that requires 2 incomes. For many others it's just the sad reality that the cost of living has grown to a point that 2 incomes are necessary to keep the lights on and provide an acceptable existence for a family, especially if only new to the housing market.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Another thing is post code discrimination when going for work too, I'm touch and go where I live because I'm about an hour away from the workshop, and most employers consider commute times over 30 minutes 'too long' so you can land yourself off an opportunity if they think you're too far away from them and they determine your travel times are too long.

We've got this going with a candidate at the moment on the other side of the city, guy is highly skilled but his location (in Melbourne) is over this arbitrary 30 minute mark, so thats working against him.

Its not an eccentric thing either, I've had it come up in interviews a couple times now where they ask where you live and then raise concerns about driving more than 30 minutes. I kind of live in this area where I'm an hour away from Melbourne and the other large regional cities so no one is happy about my hour commute to get to anyone

And having employment is more important than owning a house so many people are forced to look for housing where the work opportunities are.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

And having employment is more important than owning a house so many people are forced to look for housing where the work opportunities are.

Probably a reason why nearly the whole country lives within an hour of a capital city on the coast.

[lra]

Originally Posted by cosworthfreak

Would this thread be better in the Bar (non-automotive chat)?

......... and haven't the subjects being discussed / debated been done over and over in other threads.

But wait, there's more, head over to 'The Bar" for the next new lot of mind-numbing questions on life, the universe and everything.

[xr8territory]

It is simply a fight for resources.The 50's 60's 70's 80's and even late 90's was a time when you could map out plan for the future for yourself and family, or have no plan, and you would find yourself with a living income and basic standard of living.
That is no longer the case. What brought that change - well thats dependent on your political and social persuasion.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by lra

......... and haven't the subjects being discussed / debated been done over and over in other threads.

But wait, there's more, head over to 'The Bar" for the next new lot of mind-numbing questions on life, the universe and everything.

Yes, this is The Pub, for general automotive discussions, not Dear Dorothy.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by prydey

And having employment is more important than owning a house so many people are forced to look for housing where the work opportunities are.

Plenty of work around here, but it requires starting at the bottom and requires manual labour and some shift-work and guess what? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[davship]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Plenty of work around here, but it requires starting at the bottom and requires manual labour and some shift-work and guess what? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The young ones these days dont want to do that type off work (manual labour/shift work), they just wanna earn a quid from there phones......

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by davship

The young ones these days dont want to do that type off work (manual labour/shift work), they just wanna earn a quid from there phones......

Go sit in a pre-apprenticeship course at TAFE and you'll find plenty of young ones willing to get their hands dirty,

We advertised another apprenticeship position at work and it got over 300 applicants in two days, its down to 100 people we've identified as potentials, which will be whittled down to the 5, then the final person will be offered the position.

I suspect the people making these calls about 'the young ones' haven't actually spoken to any, and they only view them through the lens of ACA on TV

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Plenty of work around here, but it requires starting at the bottom and requires manual labour and some shift-work and guess what? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Plenty of work doing what exactly - and how much of that work available turns into a career?

Because work brings income, but the right career is what buys a house.

If you and your girlfriend work at Kmart then you aren't doing anything other than paying someone elses mortgage and you'd struggle to even do that.

Everyone commenting here, what decades were you born in because I think that would put perspective around the opinions, I'd hazard guess if you were born some time in the 1960s-1970s you wouldn't have much exposure to people born between 2000-2010

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Everyone commenting here, what decades were you born in because I think that would put perspective around the opinions, I'd hazard guess if you were born some time in the 1960s-1970s you wouldn't have much exposure to people born between 2000-2010

This guy always comes on asking questions about how to get on in life, but never heeds any advice, so you're wasting your time responding unfortunately.
Can lead a horse....

[kevino]

Crack up
People born in the 70 and 60 s would have exposure to folk born 2000/ 2010
And why is that
They are their children!!