VFACTS OCT 2022- Ford second overall

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Not really, the top two both have new models with updated drivetrains .,.....I wonder how well a 2015 Ranger would sell amongst this bunch ? Nissan is similar to Triton hasn't had an upgrade for a while .....partly agree about D Max disappointing sales too expensive.....but D-Max has never been a cheap ute , atleast not over this side even there run out old model deals were not very inspiring?

The Ranger in it's last year on sale before it was replaced, came within a couple of thousand sales of being no 1 for the year.

Being an old model isn't an excuse. Even before the new Ranger arrived it was still selling thousands more per month than the cheaper Triton, Navara etc.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The Ranger in it's last year on sale before it was replaced, came within a couple of thousand sales of being no 1 for the year.

Being an old model isn't an excuse. Even before the new Ranger arrived it was still selling thousands more per month than the cheaper Triton, Navara etc.

Rangers had 3 different power plants since 2015 .....I think it's a fair excuse

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Rangers had 3 different power plants since 2015 .....I think it's a fair excuse

No it isn't. It was essentially 3.2 for everything bar the last couple of years when the bi-turbo came along.

And it still was number 2. It's still only 2 engine choices now. Most of their competitors offer 2 or 3 choices of engine, a big and small diesel 4, and sometimes a petrol as well.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

No it isn't. It was essentially 3.2 for everything bar the last couple of years when the bi-turbo came along.

And it still was number 2. It's still only 2 engine choices now. Most of their competitors offer 2 or 3 choices of engine, a big and small diesel 4, and sometimes a petrol as well.

Well Google says the bi turbo was first released in Australia in July 2018 hardly 2 years ago and for a while you could still buy the 3.2 and you can get the V6 now ....I count 3 mills since 2015 ? .....but I'm sure you see it differently haha

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Well Google says the bi turbo was first released in Australia in July 2018 hardly 2 years ago and for a while you could still buy the 3.2 and you can get the V6 now ....I count 3 mills since 2015 ? .....but I'm sure you see it differently haha

How would that explain the huge sales gap between them all? And Ranger outselling them when there was only the choice of the 3.2?

There has only been the choice of 2 engines since 2018. Never 3 at once. For the regular Ranger range anyway.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Well Google says the bi turbo was first released in Australia in July 2018 hardly 2 years ago and for a while you could still buy the 3.2 and you can get the V6 now ....I count 3 mills since 2015 ? .....but I'm sure you see it differently haha

Didnt the base PX Ranger (XL) get a 2.2l diesel as well as a base engine... So that would make 3.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Ranger is doing well but it's a new model with a major power upgrade interestingly Isuzu, new model only outsold Triton by 300 into 3rd place where Nissan sold a 1000 less and Mazda,s new Isuzu based model similar

Goes to show there's still worth in being reliable and cost competitive

Here's my original post ...have another read....if you still don't get my point I guess you never will my point was how an aging Triton nearly made 3rd position out of 10 or so utes ....which is surprising

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Didnt the base PX Ranger (XL) get a 2.2l diesel as well as a base engine... So that would make 3.

Your right but I count 4 since 2015
1: 2.2l
2: 3.2
3: 2.0l bi turbo
4 : V6

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Your right but I count 4 since 2015
1: 2.2l
2: 3.2
3: 2.0l bi turbo
4 : V6

Not wanting to pile on, but the Next Gen XL comes with a single Turbo 2litre also, so the list:

1: 2.2
2. 3.2
3. 2.0 Bi Turbo
4. 2.0 Single Turbo
5. V6

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Not wanting to pile on, but the Next Gen XL comes with a single Turbo 2litre also, so the list:

1: 2.2
2. 3.2
3. 2.0 Bi Turbo
4. 2.0 Single Turbo
5. V6

Any advances on 5 ? Lol

Poor ol Triton only has the 2.4l since 2015

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Any advances on 5 ? Lol

Poor ol Triton only has the 2.4l since 2015

If thats the 4G64 2.4L unleaded engine its been used in the Triton since 1990

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

If thats the 4G64 2.4L unleaded engine its been used in the Triton since 1990

Was talking diesel ......petrol hasn't been offered over here for a long time (can't even trace the history of it ) ?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Was talking diesel ......petrol hasn't been offered over here for a long time (can't even trace the history of it ) ?

Looks like it was offered up until 2022?

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-AD-21248704/?

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...21167208/?Cr=2

Listed as unleaded version - absolute powerhouse Mitsubishi 4G64, 94KW/194NM with its 9.0:1 compression ratio.

For reference it makes 2kw more than my circa 20 year old Mazda B2600 ute and about 10nm less torque.

EDIT: Noticed you're in NZ, makes sense because fuel over there has always been like $750/L

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

No it isn't. It was essentially 3.2 for everything bar the last couple of years when the bi-turbo came along.

And it still was number 2. It's still only 2 engine choices now. Most of their competitors offer 2 or 3 choices of engine, a big and small diesel 4, and sometimes a petrol as well.

You forgot about the povo 2.2...


I had it in a 2018 Space cab, what a dog.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

You forgot about the povo 2.2...


I had it in a 2018 Space cab, what a dog.

It was forgettable that's for sure.

[jpd80]

American XL has the 2.3 EB + 10AT, but that would be way too much fun for our market….
Ford could probably sell ^^^^^^^ that for the same price as the pointless 2.0 single Turbo
diesel that virtually no one wants…

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

You forgot about the povo 2.2...


I had it in a 2018 Space cab, what a dog.

My bro in law had a 2.2 XL hi rider I borrowed in perth for a week a few years ago… having driven a heap of 3.2s and not knowing this engine existed at the time, I genuinely thought I’d broken the thing after my first drive , it was utter garbage…


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[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

My bro in law had a 2.2 XL hi rider I borrowed in perth for a week a few years ago… having driven a heap of 3.2s and not knowing this engine existed at the time, I genuinely thought I’d broken the thing after my first drive , it was utter garbage…


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I have been daily driving a 2.2 for 6 years now, it's an absolute slug.

It's got some nice torque (385 Nm, basically the same as an early NA Barra) at about 1,800 - 2,200rpm but anything above or below that range, it's just got nothing. I basically drive the thing at 90% throttle in all driving situations. It's also dangerously laggy in all gears until it's at the above rpm.

To be clear, I did not "choose" that engine, Ford offered nothing but the 2.2 manual in the single cab low rider. I would have paid for the 3.2 if it was available. The only way to not have that engine was to get a 4x4 high rider. I don't need 4x4 or the high ride height.

I don't expect my workhorse to have a 500hp engine, but having something that actually responds to my inputs would be nice. Getting stuck in the middle of an intersection waiting for the boost to arrive is both dangerous and frustrating. I'm told the automatic version of the 2.2 is even worse.

My previous PK Ranger had the 2.5 Mazda diesel engine. Even though it produced less power and torque, it actually went pretty hard. Having said that, the PK was significantly lighter than the PX. Favorite trick with my old PK was giving tailgaters a smoke screen, the thing would belch black smoke on command. (And no, it wasn't broken, they all did it.)

The only thing that the 2.2 has going for it is economy. Doesn't matter how I drive the thing, it sits at 9.2 L/100.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I have been daily driving a 2.2 for 6 years now, it's an absolute slug.

It's got some nice torque (385 Nm, basically the same as an early NA Barra) at about 1,800 - 2,200rpm but anything above or below that range, it's just got nothing. I basically drive the thing at 90% throttle in all driving situations. It's also dangerously laggy in all gears until it's at the above rpm.

To be clear, I did not "choose" that engine, Ford offered nothing but the 2.2 manual in the single cab low rider. I would have paid for the 3.2 if it was available. The only way to not have that engine was to get a 4x4 high rider. I don't need 4x4 or the high ride height.

I don't expect my workhorse to have a 500hp engine, but having something that actually responds to my inputs would be nice. Getting stuck in the middle of an intersection waiting for the boost to arrive is both dangerous and frustrating. I'm told the automatic version of the 2.2 is even worse.

My previous PK Ranger had the 2.5 Mazda diesel engine. Even though it produced less power and torque, it actually went pretty hard. Having said that, the PK was significantly lighter than the PX. Favorite trick with my old PK was giving tailgaters a smoke screen, the thing would belch black smoke on command. (And no, it wasn't broken, they all did it.)

The only thing that the 2.2 has going for it is economy. Doesn't matter how I drive the thing, it sits at 9.2 L/100.

It didn’t help that being a hi rider with aftermarket all terrain tyres and a canopy with tools that it wasn’t exactly light so the little engine really did struggle… I hated right turns onto main roads from stop signs in it…. It was cheap which is why he got it.. he’s had a bi turbo xlt for a few years now and is loving it lol


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[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I have been daily driving a 2.2 for 6 years now, it's an absolute slug.

It's got some nice torque (385 Nm, basically the same as an early NA Barra) at about 1,800 - 2,200rpm but anything above or below that range, it's just got nothing. I basically drive the thing at 90% throttle in all driving situations. It's also dangerously laggy in all gears until it's at the above rpm.

To be clear, I did not "choose" that engine, Ford offered nothing but the 2.2 manual in the single cab low rider. I would have paid for the 3.2 if it was available. The only way to not have that engine was to get a 4x4 high rider. I don't need 4x4 or the high ride height.

I don't expect my workhorse to have a 500hp engine, but having something that actually responds to my inputs would be nice. Getting stuck in the middle of an intersection waiting for the boost to arrive is both dangerous and frustrating. I'm told the automatic version of the 2.2 is even worse.

My previous PK Ranger had the 2.5 Mazda diesel engine. Even though it produced less power and torque, it actually went pretty hard. Having said that, the PK was significantly lighter than the PX. Favorite trick with my old PK was giving tailgaters a smoke screen, the thing would belch black smoke on command. (And no, it wasn't broken, they all did it.)

The only thing that the 2.2 has going for it is economy. Doesn't matter how I drive the thing, it sits at 9.2 L/100.

How dare you criticise our lord and savior the Thailand Special!

I wonder if its 'turbo lag' you're experiencing or torque tags/throttle mapping in the first three gears to protect the gearbox, my Focus did the same thing until it was tuned and we got rid of all that bull****, and the diesel Territory does the same thing as well.

It basically overrides your throttle inputs, and won't respond to throttle so you start by creep it in creep it in creep it in then suddenly it goes oh **** you want throttle and revs out the ***.

Then once it revs out the *** it won't give you full boost or fuelling in the lower three gears until you get to 4th and upwards before it lets you have what its actually rated to on the piece of paper.

So you end up crawling through intersections/roundabouts unless you know its stupid tricks and can drive around them.

Its not just the weight of the PX Ranger, I reckon the PK felt faster because it doesn't have the electronic witchcraft with throttle mapping holding it back where you really notice it in intersections and roundabouts where you may want to make quick decisions with the throttle.

Its the same as LT Focus and AH Astra diesels which don't have any of the same crap going on with the throttle like the LV Focus does, they feel like rocket ships in comparison in stock form - the LT Focus has literally identical power and torque to the LV Focus as well with the same engine but it drives like a completely different car.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

How dare you criticise our lord and savior the Thailand Special!

I wonder if its 'turbo lag' you're experiencing or torque tags/throttle mapping in the first three gears to protect the gearbox, my Focus did the same thing until it was tuned and we got rid of all that bull****, and the diesel Territory does the same thing as well.

It basically overrides your throttle inputs, and won't respond to throttle so you start by creep it in creep it in creep it in then suddenly it goes oh **** you want throttle and revs out the ***.

Then once it revs out the *** it won't give you full boost or fuelling in the lower three gears until you get to 4th and upwards before it lets you have what its actually rated to on the piece of paper.

So you end up crawling through intersections/roundabouts unless you know its stupid tricks and can drive around them.

Its not just the weight of the PX Ranger, I reckon the PK felt faster because it doesn't have the electronic witchcraft with throttle mapping holding it back where you really notice it in intersections and roundabouts where you may want to make quick decisions with the throttle.

Its the same as LT Focus and AH Astra diesels which don't have any of the same crap going on with the throttle like the LV Focus does, they feel like rocket ships in comparison in stock form - the LT Focus has literally identical power and torque to the LV Focus as well with the same engine but it drives like a completely different car.

I would say it's both turbo lag and throttle lag combined. And considering Ford use the MT-82 gearbox in the Ranger, I can probably understand why they are torque limiting it.

Either way, it's a borderline death trap and totally needed more time put into its calibration.

[XR Martin]

Yeah the old PJ/PKs seemed way responsive compared to more current diesels.
Even the 2.4 diesel in the similar vintage Transit went like stink.

Used to enjoy driving the ones we had at work.

The Auto PK 3.0Ls could spin the tyres off the line with just a tiny bit of stalling up.

I reckon those old diesels made full power in every gear, compared to modern stuff which only make full power in 3rd gear and beyond.

[ozrunner]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

A link to the actual EV forum will suffice.

Care to explain ?

Still waiting for the link and explanation !!!!!!!

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

How dare you criticise our lord and savior the Thailand Special!

I wonder if its 'turbo lag' you're experiencing or torque tags/throttle mapping in the first three gears to protect the gearbox, my Focus did the same thing until it was tuned and we got rid of all that bull****, and the diesel Territory does the same thing as well.

It basically overrides your throttle inputs, and won't respond to throttle so you start by creep it in creep it in creep it in then suddenly it goes oh **** you want throttle and revs out the ***.

Then once it revs out the *** it won't give you full boost or fuelling in the lower three gears until you get to 4th and upwards before it lets you have what its actually rated to on the piece of paper.

So you end up crawling through intersections/roundabouts unless you know its stupid tricks and can drive around them.

Its not just the weight of the PX Ranger, I reckon the PK felt faster because it doesn't have the electronic witchcraft with throttle mapping holding it back where you really notice it in intersections and roundabouts where you may want to make quick decisions with the throttle.

Its the same as LT Focus and AH Astra diesels which don't have any of the same crap going on with the throttle like the LV Focus does, they feel like rocket ships in comparison in stock form - the LT Focus has literally identical power and torque to the LV Focus as well with the same engine but it drives like a completely different car.

I agree with all that and have certainly felt it in the Territory, but DFB has a manual? would it still suffer the same witchcraft?

[Vekgib]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

Still waiting for the link and explanation !!!!!!!

For Christ's sake, will you just be patient ? He's off buying Cyber Trucks and Raptors and getting his house rewired. He can't be wasting time on silly things like links and explanations.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by ozrunner

Still waiting for the link and explanation !!!!!!!

Closed forums don't allow you to share links. I think you need to learn how they work. Take it or leave it. I've been a Ford fan a lot longer than a Tesla fan. I've even had holidays from forums for posting too much Ford information on the site. Heck, I'm the President of one of the oldest Racing Car clubs in Australia and no, I don't race only Tesla's there.

Go re-read your original post. Others commented as well on what you wrote but it seems to have missed you.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Yeah the old PJ/PKs seemed way responsive compared to more current diesels.
Even the 2.4 diesel in the similar vintage Transit went like stink.

Used to enjoy driving the ones we had at work.

The Auto PK 3.0Ls could spin the tyres off the line with just a tiny bit of stalling up.

I reckon those old diesels made full power in every gear, compared to modern stuff which only make full power in 3rd gear and beyond.

My PK was the lowly 2.5, but I could slide that thing through a wet roundabout in 3rd gear! Hilarious fun!

I also like the sound of the old 2.5 better than the 2.2, which just sounds so strained in comparison.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I agree with all that and have certainly felt it in the Territory, but DFB has a manual? would it still suffer the same witchcraft?

The MT-82 is made out of glass, so would not be surprised if it did have torque tags.

[ozrunner]

Originally Posted by kypez

Closed forums don't allow you to share links. I think you need to learn how they work. Take it or leave it.....

Mate, cut the crap and attempted deflection as there is no reason whatsoever that you cannot supply us with the forums url that you advised us that you make comments about Ford on, so what is it.

Originally Posted by kypez

Ok, Mr Chow, ....

You forgot this.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

My PK was the lowly 2.5, but I could slide that thing through a wet roundabout in 3rd gear! Hilarious fun!

I also like the sound of the old 2.5 better than the 2.2, which just sounds so strained in comparison.

My brother had the Bt-50 equivalent of your old one (2.5, low rider 2WD) and it was a brilliant little engine for what it was… and a blast in the wet as you say…. It’s why I couldn’t believe the 2.2 in the newer one was actually decently worse…


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