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G'day...We know about how those last days feel don't we ? It's horrible..
As passionate as we are about dissing each other decade after decade , at least it was/is a friendly rivalry that shows respect for Aussie skills on both sides.. When Holden and let's not also forget Toyota go through the final throes of local manufacturing so ends directly that rivalry that most of us grew up with. Hopefully , albeit via all imported fare , the brands will still have a certain desirability from bog standard and an even still excitement factor for your chosen brand. If not cars will be just conveyances , nothing more..Boring times.. We are very lucky to have been around when Aussies could choose to buy Australian Made if they wanted to. Our kids and grandkids in the future will not likely ever have that choice again.. Cheers Rod.. |
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13-01-2017, 06:27 PM | #3 | ||
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Holdens are Kingswoods, Toranas, Commodores.
They are setting themselves up to fail. The brand isn't Barina's, Astra's, Captiva's and others. It's a sad day for "Red's". |
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True enough but they will survive,service depts will keep keep em afloat on Captivas alone.
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Will the assistance funds set aside for redundant employees from Ford, Holden and Toyota apply to the untold thousands who will be unemployed from the supply chain?
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Is 20/10/17 before or after TMCA stops local production?
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13-01-2017, 09:58 PM | #9 | ||
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Sad day. Without a 'real' Commodore they are totally ****** unlike Ford which has quality cars without the Falcon.
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13-01-2017, 11:00 PM | #10 | ||
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Quality cars that aren't selling besides Mustang and Ranger.
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14-01-2017, 10:14 AM | #12 | |||
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Small Car Ford Escort v Holden Gemini Medium Car Ford Cortina v Holden Torana Large Family Car Ford Falcon/Faimont v Holden Kingswood then Commodore from 1978 Luxury Car.. Ford Fairlane /LTD versus Holden Statesman/Caprice.. Then on both sides in the large car market with Ford Falcon and Holden Kingswood there were Utes , Station Wagons and Panel vans ..Commodore didn't have a panel van if memory serves correctly .. Escort had a van , Gemini had a two door station wagon and Cortina had 4 and 6 cylinder station wagons , Torana didn't but they had a hatchback coupe and had three 4 ,6 or V8 engine versions... My point is that in those days right or wrong the local car market covered most bases..You could buy something made here that fitted your needs ether Blue Oval or Red Lion..Ford in particular adapted the European sourced Escort and Cortina specifically for our market too.There may have been other variants I've missed.. On October 20 this year all semblance of Australian Cars inginuity and "for the Aussie market" ceases when the factory doors at Holden close . ALL GONE NOW.. We're at the whim of the bigwigs at GM and Ford global from now on...The tyranny of a small market , location and our own wealth. Too bad a few former GHM and Ford Australia engineers couldn't get together and build our own car range to compete with the totally imported market..I think the skills in both camps are there in abundance..Won't happen but it's a nice thought . If it was to happen though we'd have the perfect name for the company ( Phoenix ).. because out of the ashes rose the Phoenix .. Cheers Rod.. Last edited by roddy1960; 14-01-2017 at 10:29 AM. |
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Towing 12.9l...Might be a bargain SUV but its value for the money, compared to other SUV's. comparable SUV's are up to $10k more expensive....and the Equinox is coming later this year,,,
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In a way they were lucky and had years of warning that their job will not exist in 2017, let's hope they used that time to line up a new career path, learn new skills or qualifications, etc. and those who didn't? Well why not? |
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I watched a show the other night on SBS I think it was about the Toyota Camry hybrid it was an old show as the PM of the day was Julia Buzzard anyway whats going to happen to the millions of dollars they invested in that hybrid
are they sending them back to Japan and also that factory on the show was huge are they going to be importers again like back in the sixties anyone know re the hybrids I can count on maybe both hands the number of those Camry hybrids Ive seen and they were all Yellow cabs never seen a private one just a thought |
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Ohh well we will save some tax payer funds that get funneled out of the country.. yes some jobs will be lost... at least they had plenty of warning to up skill themselves
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The problem however is the sheer number of people that won't be able to retrain and get another job. Sure some of those are close to retirement age and won't bother to work again. But the numbers are staggering nonetheless. Hundreds of thousands of people hitting up Centrelink for assistance will cripple the system. The economy won't be able to take such a massive hit, it would be an in-effect 4-5% increase in the unemployment rate.
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What differs most - apart from the trim levels, equipment, and sometimes minor styling - is the source of components. They do try to source as much as possible (economically) from local suppliers - which is why they were important to many sub-tier suppliers in Victoria, and to a lesser extent, other states. Camrys made in Kentucky in the USA would have a lot of their parts manufactured by sub-tiers in the US. I have a lot of respect for Toyota's continuing use of this business model, which dates back into the 60s when AMI were appointed to locally assemble Toyota models, and because local content was a major factor, tried to source as much as they could locally. AMI also assembled AMC models, and this is the reason why the Rambler Hornet shares several key parts with local Holden, Chrysler, and even Ford models - because the government of the day gave tax breaks based on local content %. The best Toyota example of this local content was one of the last AMI models before Toyota itself took over AMI's assembly - the early 80s Corona with the Holden starfire 1.9L inline 4, and trimatic trans. Despite local content rules being all but abolished by the late 80s as part of the Button plan, Toyota still continued to source many components locally, which could have just as easily been manufactured in another region that also assembles Camrys, and sent here - with the associated benefits of the economy of scale probably being better than the cost of the freight. They may have been making whitegoods, but at least they gave back to the local community, by supporting local business, even when it may have been economically worse off from a volume perspective. |
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15-01-2017, 07:29 PM | #21 | ||
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G'day all , I've never been inspired by Toyota , not a jot..Regardless of their reputation for reliability etc..they really are as boring as it is possible to be for me. I have a really tidy Sportivo parked next to me at work most days . It's got nice wheels , a spoiler , a bit of a body kit and as interesting as reading a book about sink plugs of the world to this little black duck..
Having said all that , it's still sad to see them close as certainly is the case with GMH...It's another stake in the heart of manufacturing , not least the loss of skills in automotive manufacturing.. Remember when Chrysler/Mitsubishi and Nissan were here too...Soon now nothing at all..Do we even still make ride on lawnmowers ie Cox ? and what about Victa..I don't know.. Even Hills hoists are going..aren't they ? This is a big deal to me ..Governments of both persuasions should hang their heads in shame and I'm glad John Button is not still around because the Button Car Plan may well have been the catalyst to the demise of our car industry. Someone would have kicked him to Kingdom Come if he hadn't gone first.. Typical Governments pandering to these so called 'good for Australia ' free trade agreements only to see us sell 3.5 billion dollars worth of stuff to Thailand while we buy back nearly 14 billion dollars worth..probably mostly cars in return ..Yeah , that's really fair isn't it ?... Thailand has three times our population too.. Yep , next stop , nanny state in not too many decades when our resources are exhausted because the rest of the world will wipe us like a dirty bum when all the goodies are gone.. Cheers Rod.. Last edited by roddy1960; 15-01-2017 at 07:36 PM. |
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G'day ...When you have time read this archive http://www.aph.gov.au/sitecore/conte...IB9697/97cib22 and tell us what you think ...and this http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...23e902715aa0f9 and the ideals of what the Button Plan was 'supposed' to achieve.This description https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan reminds me a bit like bringing in the cane toads or the rabbits or the foxes even the camels and little ol' pussy cats which finished up over running the local fauna..Good intentions , bad outomes.
To be totally fair the Button Plan and some FTA's are not the only reason by any means for no local car manufacturing but it certainly has hastened it's demise that's for sure.....Depressing ... Cheers Rod.. Last edited by roddy1960; 15-01-2017 at 08:23 PM. |
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G'day..Sorry , hogging the thread a bit BUT "We're all saved".. We do still make something with an engine..Yep, Victa...AND look here , who said ya can't buy a new Corvette in OZ.. Yes you can...Victa Corvette..push button start too come on some of their beasts. https://www.victa.com/au/en_au/home.html ..AND Cox Mowers too.http://www.coxmowers.com.au/range/ ..so who cares about our cars...We've got our mowers..We're right for eternity now so long as a massive drought doesn't kill all the grass or if Thailand or China decides to knock out a few mowers too..Then were cooked.Just the same check out the handling on this baby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTCLB-ODdWI . Cheers Rod
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Must be the only one. My girlfriends Captiva has already had the window regs replaced and now there is a really loud rattle when the ac goes on. So back to the dealer again. They really are garbage.
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Soon Australia will be the largest car market in the world where there is no local car manufacturing, and the only country in the G20 that doesn't make cars.
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G'day Bugger....What about Cox then....PLEASE ,SOMEONE STILL BE OWNED BY OURSELVES...Cheers Rod....
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