New Electric Commodore

[falconnut]

Only the body would be Australian mode wouldnt it? Or is it using a new platform?

[Bossxr8]

Its all based around a VE, with as little changes as possible to fit the ev gear. Wheels did a story on it and its remarkably very little changed from VE, just engine removed and battery pack installed, and electric motor in the diff with other gear in the boot area driving it.

[Ezz]

Ok... so this is where its all going hey. What happens when you're in the middle of a long trip, you run outa power and need to power up. Where can you do that? How long will it take to power up?

I can see it now...
"**** kids, we can't go on a trip cause some little bugger has gone around the street pulling out all the power cords of the electric cars including ours. It's gonna take another 8 hrs before we can go anywhere!"

Why can't we do what has been done... but hidden from us all. Run cars using water? Has every dude that's ever tried it been bumped off? I've a bit to drink tonight but surely it's a good question?

[Nikked]

Electric cars...

[mik]

it`s hard to see it being any different from any other battery powered vehicle, it will probably still be only good for commuting short distances, there was no mention of range, and if the range was good you would think they be yelling from the roof tops.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This is not a Holden project, they had no involvement bar providing a few VE's they could use.

They provided no engineering or money for the project. A few staff are ex-Holden but a few are also ex-Ford and ex-Toyota.

Holden may not have had any envolvement, and other car manufacturing staff may have had a finger in the pie, but got to be smart thinking advertising the way they have.

Maybe Ford need to do the same to boost sales.

[Cheese3]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Electric cars...

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Thats actually a nitro one, you can tell from the fuel tank and rubber lines coming from it, also the ute tub has a hole cut in it.

[Falcman0o7]

At least it will out perform the V6!

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

But they still have the foresight to realise that if the boffins got it to work that it would be working with a Lion badge splashed on the front and rear of the car. Supplying a few bodies will have cost them nothing, but the green, Aussie made publicity is priceless.

Why would anyone think that converting a large car like the commodore have any basis for foresight or common sense. Does electricity operate differently to other power sources in that the larger the car, the better mileage? The whole project was has no new technology and most importantly it used taxpayers money to buy off the shelf imported products to slot into a commodore.

[jpd80]

In 2001, it was estimated that the then concept E-Commodore hybrid with I-4 and lead acid Super cap powered electrics
would cost about $3,000 over a conventional V6 Commodore...

It's a shame that Holden and CSIRO let that early work fall in a heap, I can see 2.4 DI and E Assist working well on Malibu

[burnz]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Why would anyone think that converting a large car like the commodore have any basis for foresight or common sense. Does electricity operate differently to other power sources in that the larger the car, the better mileage? The whole project was has no new technology and most importantly it used taxpayers money to buy off the shelf imported products to slot into a commodore.

any proof of this?

or are you just haveing a go at holden as per usual.
just so you know electric motor are made in oz...royce cross (oz owned), teco westinghouse (american).

[svo supporter]

Strangely enough, these batteries cost an arm and a leg to produce to start with....then you've got to consider the carbon output having these batteries made.....but of course the gov't nor the greenies will comment on that.

One thing I do know, is when the batteries in thse hybrid prius's cark it, it costs 10 K to replace them. Cheaper to scrap the car, which then goes back to, the carbon output scrapping them.

As per normal, the gov't tells only half the story.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by FTE

I mentioned that car close to the start of this thread.
It was the Ecommodore. Done by Holden and CSIRO. Had a Monaro shape but with 4 doors

AH cool, sorry looked over that. So what this was 10+ years ago and still not a shred of evidence anything like a EV or Hybrid will ever reach the market...doesnt seem like money well spent to me...seems like funding for some uni students to do a project.

Australia will never "lead the way"..why would we, the tech is already done elsewhere.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by burnz

you were bagging the very same technology yesterday..

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11359291

A carlike I described though wouldn't be pretending to be an "electric" car to suck in the overly environmentally conscious trend setters...it would be a normal car that happens to have a different way of driving the wheels...you could drive it anywhere without limitations, because you wouldn't be relying on a heavy battery pack, but rather on proven ordinary tech. No need for special refilling stations or charging points.

[Mad_Pom]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Strangely enough, these batteries cost an arm and a leg to produce to start with....then you've got to consider the carbon output having these batteries made.....but of course the gov't nor the greenies will comment on that.

One thing I do know, is when the batteries in thse hybrid prius's cark it, it costs 10 K to replace them. Cheaper to scrap the car, which then goes back to, the carbon output scrapping them.

As per normal, the gov't tells only half the story.

The model being used by E V Engineering is to have a drive through service that drops the flat battery pack and fits a new charged one to over come the range issues and charge time delay. In this model you never own the battery pack, just lease them and get them replaced when needed and when on a long journey for a battery swap. just like a swap and go BBQ bottle.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Holden may not have had any envolvement, and other car manufacturing staff may have had a finger in the pie, but got to be smart thinking advertising the way they have.

Maybe Ford need to do the same to boost sales.

I get what your saying but if someone see's this and thinks "i'm going to go into a Holden dealership and buying an electric Commodore tommorow", they are going to feel like an absolute idiot when they do.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I get what your saying but if someone see's this and thinks "i'm going to go into a Holden dealership and buying an electric Commodore tommorow", they are going to feel like an absolute idiot when they do.

Problem is, the gov't and greenies will only tell you, what you want to hear. ie, it's good for the environment. They're not going to tell you the carbon output making the batteries. They're not going to tell you how much your wallet is going to hurt replacing them. They're not going to tell you, it's probably cheaper to scrap the car, therefore more carbon is going into the atmosphere crushing the things and making more. They're not going to tell you the carbon produced by the electricity required to charge the batteries up. (Solar power is another proposition there)

So the idiot is the person that doesn't do the research beforehand.

This whole "envirnomentally" car friendly thing is a sales pitch aimed at the current times. Plain and simple.

Oh ad I have no interweb dribble links to back up what I've written and it's not directed specifically at Holdens. It's directed towards all these electric powered POS's

[TMC]

The problem with a straight electric car is that it needs to be plugged into a power point to charge. The electric grid can't even handle everyone running air conditioners on a hot day. If everyone needed a 200amp 240V powerpoint to quickly charge a car, imagine how far the grid would need upgrading and how much coal would need burning to run all those rechargers. You'd almost have a case for nuclear power in that scenario. Let alone the cost of electricity. It won't and can't happen. It only pushes the pollution problem away from the nonexistent tailpipe and back to the place of power production.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by burnz

wrong

That's NOT an ELECTRIC Car.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

A carlike I described though wouldn't be pretending to be an "electric" car to suck in the overly environmentally conscious trend setters...it would be a normal car that happens to have a different way of driving the wheels...you could drive it anywhere without limitations, because you wouldn't be relying on a heavy battery pack, but rather on proven ordinary tech. No need for special refilling stations or charging points.

what special refilling station?
or charging points?

you dont have to charge if you dont want to it will charge it self,
it's identicle to what you drive but just has batterys as storage, or use the batterys only to save fuel.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

That's NOT an ELECTRIC Car.

it's a hybred, engine plus generator.
power cables in the tunnel.