Will Lincoln sell a Falcon Based model?

**Luke Plaizier** · 09-01-2010, 12:51 AM

Taken from various other threads.

Speculation at Blue Oval News: http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums...pic=37272&st=0

And then this 3rd pic down today from Caradvice: http://www.caradvice.com.au/51726/fp...tted-on-video/

Could this be the new Ford Police Interceptor that has yet to be officially announced?

Lukeyson

FPV GTHO · 09-01-2010, 01:03 AM

I dont think its the Interceptor. Ford US have already announced it'll be an American built, American developed product. The only way that can include anything Falcon based is if they tear it down to the basics and use that as a platform for a different car with new bodywork.

A Falcon based Lincoln would make a great competitor for the Lexus GS though.

Swordsman88 · 09-01-2010, 01:33 AM

I posted in another thread RE these mules:
That is probably there too to get the GRWD program spotters excited....oh FPV is testing stuff for the global RWD platform that will be in a new lincoln....etc. etc. Probably just some inside joke anyway...

I stand by that, even if i really really wish it were somehow true. It also proves that these 'spotted' test mules dont' turn by accident. Some random text turns up on a photog phone....he goes out to a certain fence the next day at lunch and look what tootles buy.... You ain't seeing nothing ford doesnt want you to see. Which makes you wonder.....

EgoFG · 09-01-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

... it'll be an American built, American developed product. ...

IMHO This does not rule out a Falc based LWB sedan designed in US based on Falc, or maybe only Falc platform (whatever that means).

imugli · 09-01-2010, 10:10 AM

Um... Wow!

TBH I didn't know what kind of response I'd get when I posted the link to BOF in the other thread but this thing has grown legs. Will be very interesting to see what happens in the next couple of months, that's for sure. TBH I think there's too much murmuring going on for it to just be completely pie in the sky stuff...

**Luke Plaizier** · 09-01-2010, 11:05 AM

Thanks for the link. I wasn't sure which thread posted it up first so didn't know who to credit.

Lukeyson

**Luke Plaizier** · 09-01-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

I dont think its the Interceptor. Ford US have already announced it'll be an American built, American developed product. The only way that can include anything Falcon based is if they tear it down to the basics and use that as a platform for a different car with new bodywork.

A Falcon based Lincoln would make a great competitor for the Lexus GS though.

Ohio XB has mentioned that they are waiting on an April announcement for what new product is going down the Ohio line. He's hoping for Interceptor, whatever it may be.

And being cheeky, if they do the LHD and V6 Ecoboost integration development in the US, and all the engines are built in the US, it's getting close to being a US product - certainly more than a fully imported Commodore. But yes, I've seen that 'US Designed' reference too.

It's no crime to keep the dream alive though.

Lukeyson

imugli · 09-01-2010, 11:21 AM

No credit necessary - just expressing surprise. This would be a MAJOR coup for FoA. Let's just hope it's true.

Chilliman · 09-01-2010, 11:31 AM

I think what we may see in April (most likely at the New York Auto show) is a 'concept' car based on the Falcon platform. Being a concept it can knocked together quickly for low cost - of course that won't guarantee that it will ever go into production, but it will at least show that they're thinking about our humble Aussie Falcon.

I seem to recall that Ford was on the verge of showing a Falcon based Lincoln Concept at the 2007 Detroit Auto show. Not sure what ever happened to that - maybe it's about to be 'dusted off' and updated?

irlewy86 · 09-01-2010, 12:42 PM

Hahahaha, someone is having fun with the spy photographers. Maybe next week they'll have "GTHO" written on the bumper.

**Fordman1** · 09-01-2010, 12:47 PM

IMO it's not true ... but lets see..

Interceptor will be Taurus based...

Falcon won't be used for other NA derivatives.

4VCLEVO · 09-01-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Interceptor will be Taurus based...

I thought police intercepter was requiered to be rear drive V8 which the Taurus is not.

Road_Warrior · 09-01-2010, 01:07 PM

Not sure what the significance of the CarAdvice article in the context of this thread - its just a Coyote test mule...err, testing. With a really awful vid. They're probably doing hot weather load testing or similar. Pretty rudimentary considering this engine is now just over 4 months from on-sale - they need to get their skates on.

As for the new Ford Police Interceptor, Ford have been quoted in several US automotive media sources as saying the PI will be based on the Taurus. Broady has also stated that they have had no involvement in it; its a US project only. Obviously there will be some styling and sheetmetal changes so all the Taurus owners don't get ****ed off that a povvo pack cop car looks the same as their $30,000USD Toreass, and I speculated that this car will end up getting produced at Ohio XB's plant (Lorain Assembly?) so that the unique parts and processes for the PI don't fag up the regular Taurus assembly line.

As for a Lincoln badged Falcon - I've been thinking this for a while. Lincoln have expressed a desire to get into the European market and with the impending I4 Ecoboost the Falcon could fly there because the engine would more than likely pass emissions.

Lincoln need a premium RWD sedan based car to take the fight up to Cadillac and a reworked G6ET with either the Duratec V6 or Coyote would be fit for this purpose. The only sticking point of course is LHD - has any work been done on LHD for the Orion since its release?

4VCLEVO · 09-01-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

As for the new Ford Police Interceptor, Ford have been quoted in several US automotive media sources as saying the PI will be based on the Taurus.

I stand corrected.

Ohio XB · 09-01-2010, 02:46 PM

Ok, to clear up a few things....

I stated in the other thread that my suspicion of our plant getting a Falcon based vehicle was wrong.

My plant is the Ohio Assembly Plant (OHAP). The Lorain Assembly Plant (LAP) was closed about 4 years ago, is now sold and being redeveloped. Ironically, you should have seen how many Japanese cars were parked in the Lorain plant parking lot as Honda was storing cars there in March because they were receiving more shipments and could not sell cars, and had nowhere else to store them....

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2...cars_at_f.html

I have a contact in the Detroit area that informed me that his extremely reliable source (that's all I am going to say) confirmed that the PI will be Taurus based. I am taking that info to the bank. The Taurus will not be built at our plant in any form.

I am waiting to see what we hear in April about GRWD, but I am not holding my breath, especially now that I have found I was wrong about our future vehicle. Also, knowing Ford, most everything is tentative, so the announcement may never happen, or may happen at a very different date.

Also stated in the other thread, in 2006 or 2007 Ford did have an E8 based Lincoln Flagship sedan slated to be introduced in 2012. I have no other info on that.

Steve

Ohio XB · 09-01-2010, 03:30 PM

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And then this 3rd pic down today from Caradvice: http://www.caradvice.com.au/51726/f...otted-on-video/

That pic is photoshopped. You can see the grime spatter on that area of the car in the second pic quite well, and then compare the two. Someone is having fun.

Steve

**Luke Plaizier** · 09-01-2010, 04:05 PM

So they photoshopped the fingerprints too?

I think the photoshop claim is a big call. Ford engineers playing with paparazzi yes. Clearly it's in one image but not another. But a photoshop? Hard to convince me of that.

It's a pity the idea of the Interceptor going down your line has gone though Steve. I'd missed your posts on that.

Lukeyson

Ohio XB · 09-01-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

So they photoshopped the fingerprints too?

I think the photoshop claim is a big call. Ford engineers playing with paparazzi yes. Clearly it's in one image but not another. But a photoshop? Hard to convince me of that.

It's a pity the idea of the Interceptor going down your line has gone though Steve. I'd missed your posts on that.

Lukeyson

I don't have photoshop, but I have a cheap editing program. I am not saying it could only have been edited.....

........I'm just saying......

Yeah, like you say, it could have been scribbled on there with a finger just to screw with the media.

Steve

Road_Warrior · 09-01-2010, 05:15 PM

Look, either Caradvice 'shopped it on there to whip up a bit of controversy on a slow news day, or the tech guys at the proving ground knew they were going to be watched and wanted to pull the pi$$ out of the spies. Either way, it's something pretty innocuous in my view and doesn't really deserve the attention.

Going back to the OP, the significance of some of the statements made by certain posters on BON seem to have escaped many. There is enough of the jigsaw to start putting the pieces together people - remember Derrick Kuzack being involved in the I4 Falcon decision? The media crapmakers here completely missed the significance of that whole deal as well...

Ghiadude · 09-01-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Look, either Caradvice 'shopped it on there to whip up a bit of controversy on a slow news day, or the tech guys at the proving ground knew they were going to be watched and wanted to pull the pi$$ out of the spies. Either way, it's something pretty innocuous in my view and doesn't really deserve the attention.

Going back to the OP, the significance of some of the statements made by certain posters on BON seem to have escaped many. There is enough of the jigsaw to start putting the pieces together people - remember Derrick Kuzack being involved in the I4 Falcon decision? The media crapmakers here completely missed the significance of that whole deal as well...

well then - spill it.
i reckon that part of the deal for the falcon going global is that it has to take the foreign engine(i4t) increases its production volume in the states then they have to take our g6et so we get increased volume of grandads axe ....am i close???

Swordsman88 · 10-01-2010, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghiadude

well then - spill it.
i reckon that part of the deal for the falcon going global is that it has to take the foreign engine(i4t) increases its production volume in the states then they have to take our g6et so we get increased volume of grandads axe ....am i close???

Hmm...kinda. Basically Ford globally has said it wanted ecoboost engines in all its cars...namely to save fuel use but also to make the ecoboost programs cost effective. When Ford aus announced the I6 was saved (which was started by osbourne really...) alot of people thought it was the exchange rate and local development costs. Not entirely.... Ford globally gave the nod to keep the engine because it may have had a future use for it, in other NA based vehicles, or as an export model in a car. Now the I4T decision makes the Falcon more 'exportable' true, but its also a bit of a tit for tat. A future falcon based GRWD will need an I4T engine option in europe or the US....so getting the GRWD base (falcon) to accept the I4T is an important part of that. HOWEVER, while the 3.5 ecoboost is a great engine, ford has said it does not intend to ecoboost the 3.7 (which would be the 4.0 replacement in NA form). The ecoboost 3.5 is not now, or likely ever, to be in the same HP league as the I6T. Esp not if the I6 were to get 'DI' in some future plans.... Dearborn MAY believe that a I6 with a modern overhaul (namely DI but also other ford tech e.g. camshaft torque atcuated VCT) poses a good high torque solution to its ecoboost needs (ie. slotting into heavier vehicles above the 3.5TT HP bracket...). F series is getting the 6.2 V8...but while base F series has 3.5TT will it be able to haul the larger models??

It is for this reason i refuse to rule out the I6 lasting for some time yet. Remember two points: 1. The I6 was not retained just because the aussie market. 2. Not only is it now, and likely to remain a very competitive donk, the types of cars it will be going into are both RWD, heavy and have more than big enough engine bays (hence the advantage of a more compact V6 are nullified).

Just my musings...happy to have others provide some more....

chevypower · 10-01-2010, 05:49 AM

Swordsman, all we really know about the 3.5 EcoBoost right now, is what we are seeing in the Taurus/Flex/MKS/MKT is that it is detuned a lot. So it's not really fair to compare the power to that of the 4.0T. It was detuned because the transmissions in those FWD based vehicles are only rated to handle those torque ratings. I think we will see a lot more of what the 3.5 EB can do when it comes out in the F150 - and hopefully the Expedition. All that has been posted about it, is it is over 400HP/400lb-ft (300kw/540Nm) with a flat torque curve, runs on regular unleaded, gets better mileage than the V8s (probably better than 16/20mpg). Put the 4.0T in an F150, it would require premium unleaded, and you'd be getting over 20L/100km (12mpg) just like it does in the Territory turbo (perhaps why it was not a big seller in that vehicle). It is also strengthened from the 3.5EB in the Taurus, so it is designed for towing and hauling.

Can the 3.5 EcoBoost handle the weight of the F150? Read this!
http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11274813
By the sound of it, it won't need the bigger 3.7 engine.

Also, it is not a "base engine." The base engine will be the 5.0 N/A V8 with less power and torque than the Mustang's engine. The EcoBoost V6 will be a premium engine, along with the 6.2 V8.

**Fordman1** · 10-01-2010, 10:57 AM

1. The I6 won't be exported in any vehicles or used overseas. The Company is committed to Ecoboost, the Aussie I6 is not not part of that plan ....

2. The Falcon won't form the basis of an upcoming Lincoln.

This is all conjecture / rumor, and made up drivel to get peoples attenttion.

The person who "shopped" those pics will be laughing their head off !!!

Just my 2 cents....

Ohio XB · 10-01-2010, 12:40 PM

Just a reminder, Ford projected a total production of 1.3 million 3.5L EcoBoost engines per YEAR when at full production; 700,000 for US consumption and 600,000 for export.

Steve

R-Design · 10-01-2010, 02:14 PM

Mulally's working on it as we speak!

Watto_Cobra · 10-01-2010, 04:36 PM

Whatever happened to the rumors of I6 export? Marin Burela himself alluded to a deal he was working on for export, and most speculated it would be for Airport tugs.

Haven't heard anything for quite a while about that one!

Road_Warrior · 11-01-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Watto_Cobra

Whatever happened to the rumors of I6 export? Marin Burela himself alluded to a deal he was working on for export, and most speculated it would be for Airport tugs.

Haven't heard anything for quite a while about that one!

The Global Financial Crisis?

jpd80 · 12-04-2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ohio XB

Just a reminder, Ford projected a total production of 1.3 million 3.5L EcoBoost engines per YEAR when at full production; 700,000 for US consumption and 600,000 for export.

Steve

I think you'll find that the figure was for I-4 and V6 Ecoboost engines...