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11-08-2019, 07:27 PM | #1 | ||
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I have come across a square block 351 Cleveland with an engine number of NDxxxx. Owner says its an industrial motor he purchased new. What is an industrial motor?
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11-08-2019, 07:37 PM | #2 | ||
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Could have been used in lots of different applications.Maybe welder,compressor,pump etc. Could even have originally fitted to a boat or off road truck.Really any application that didn,t need transport authority numbering.
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11-08-2019, 07:40 PM | #3 | ||
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from memory the differences on these are minor
cam (internal) to suit the application its performing and a carbi intake/governor set up to have it run at it desired speed when under load
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11-08-2019, 07:57 PM | #4 | ||
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He says the motor had more torque and was more suitable for towing. He kept it in the car and didn't rebuild the old one.
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11-08-2019, 08:10 PM | #5 | ||
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so theres a bigger story than him just telling you its an "industrial" motor
why did he buy it was it for an industrial use and then end up in his vehicle or did he buy it to fit to the vehicle its now fitted too ? is he misinterpreting truck motor (eg f series or bigger) for industrial motor when hes saying new , is he saying new never in its entire life been run before or new had been rebuilt american clevelands never came with an engine number and some were stamped by governing bodies (eg state licensing) when relicensed in an australian vehicle
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11-08-2019, 08:27 PM | #6 | ||
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He still has old winsdor 302 stored away, new oversize pistons and rebuild kit on top of his wardrobe. Bought the new unused 351C industrial motor from a company that ford supplied. The owner and myself both live Geelong, where the Ford plant is (or was). He got it off a local company that sold new ford parts. The owner is now in his mid seventies and he replaced it in the mid to late 70's. He remember a lot but not all.
Motor was stamped ND ****, don't know if it was stamped by Ford or the rego authorities when he notified them of engine change |
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12-08-2019, 10:25 PM | #7 | ||
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I recall conversations from a couple of guys now in their 70's who used to have concrete trucks back in the day which had Holden red 202's and pre crossflow Falcon motors running hydraulic pumps to spin the agitators
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13-08-2019, 12:10 AM | #8 | ||
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A lot of the early agitators used car based engines,starting with grey holdens,then the various size reds.They didn,t,t usually use hydraulic drives but rather a big reduction gearbox driving a big ring gear on the front of the barrel
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13-08-2019, 07:39 AM | #9 | ||
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I've seen a lot of old concrete agitators driven by 6-cyl engines over the years, but never a V8.
A 351 Clevo might've driven a stationary generator or something like that. Dr Terry |
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13-08-2019, 01:05 PM | #12 | ||
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Thanks for the replies. I haven't checked casting dates yet but I know its a square block. Engine number stamped at the front starts with ND or it might be IND. Have to recheck
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13-08-2019, 02:37 PM | #13 | ||
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Hi. Another point about "industrial" engines is that there may have been no sales tax paid on it where as an automobile replacement engine would have had 15 or 17.5 % sales tax applied to the price. Cheers MD
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13-08-2019, 03:25 PM | #14 | ||
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You could be correct with that. The story goes that he took the 302 out for a rebuild, had it rebored, bought all the new parts. He found out about 4 new 351 sitting in a local business. Decided to put one of those in but still has original engine and stuff in his bedroom with some under the bed and the rest on top of the wardrobe.
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13-08-2019, 04:27 PM | #15 | ||
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fwiw, a friend has a 428 in his mustang, and the block was originally sourced from mercruiser….
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13-08-2019, 04:32 PM | #16 | ||
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Is this mystery motor in the XT with no ID plate?
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13-08-2019, 06:00 PM | #17 | ||
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Yes it is but ID plate found. He took it off because it was just hanging on by one rivet. It's on top of the wardrobe with all the original parts for the Windsor rebuild. He used to tow a car around and the 351 had a similar power but more torque down low. Owner was 75, has many stories to tell. Car is extremely original and all other numbers match up with owners handbook.
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Interesting mystery though ... or a bit of diversion to hide the true history of the block. |
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13-08-2019, 07:44 PM | #19 | ||
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Mercruiser did also use 351 clevos for marine use. My boat has a mercruiser, its a marinised 4.3L chevy vortec v6. So iron block which is effectively a modified pickup truck motor. I think the marine versions are more towards torque and reliability. Rev limiter of my boat is 4800rpm.
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13-08-2019, 10:03 PM | #20 | ||
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Any older members from Geelong on the forum. Engine was purchased from Gallaghers (????) that was in Thompson Rd. Have personally seen the engine number but whoever stamped it is another story.
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14-08-2019, 07:31 AM | #21 | ||
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I've come across clevo's, winsors and a couple 313 polly motors in old wood chippers that were classed as industrial motors.
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