The rising price (and associated costs) of Oil / Petrol Discussion Thread.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Like I said, oil is NOT a finite source, oil is a regenerating resource, but imagine if the oil companies came out tomorrow and told everyone that!....the pump price would drop 50% overnight!!...that's not good for profiteering.

Some reading for you http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

Lindsey Williams = Nutcase

There will be more oil in 160 million years.

My Falcon can't wait that long !!!

[omn1potent]

Under the Pump – Global Petrol Prices (Live Link).

Source, the AGE newspaper 24-May-2008.

$AUS Per Litre.

Australia (Melbourne) ……………………………..$1.49c
Canada……………………………………………...$1.45c
Chile………………………………………………..$1.33c
China……………………………………………….$0.80c
Denmark……………………………………………$2.45c
Egypt……………………………………………….$0.34c
France……………………………………………....$2.25c
Greece……………………………………………...$1.86c
Hong Kong…………………………………………$1.32c
Iceland……………………………………………...$2.31c
India………………………………………………..$1.12c
Indonesia…………………………………………...$1.02c
Ireland……………………………………………...$2.03c
Italy………………………………………………...$2.28c
Luxembourg………………………………………..$2.08c
New Zealand……………………………………….$1.59c
Norway……………………………………………..$2.27c
Russia……………………………………………....$1.04c
Turkey……………………………………………...$2.62c
Britain……………………………………………....$2.33c
US…………………………………………………..$1.05c
Venezuela…………………………………………..$0.04c


P.S. Please don’t shoot the messenger, the above mentioned prices 'are as is' from the publication.

[GasoLane]

Funny how Shell say that "Australians have the worlds forth cheapest prices" behind Mexico, USA and Canada.

Their graph seems to back up this claim.http://www.shell.com/home/content/au...ices_0116.html

But a lot of the countries (with cheap fuel) in the AGE graph dont make onto the Shell one :

[DRU842]

Government to the rescue::rolleyes:

Sunday May 25, 05:51 AM
Labor to investigate petrol tax changes

The federal government will investigate whether GST charged on top of the petrol excise should be scrapped.

Consumer Affairs Minister Chris Bowen confirmed the petrol price inquiry will examine the "interaction between the GST and fuel excise and see if there are any measures that can or should be taken", Fairfax newspapers reported on Sunday.
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The move comes despite Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan criticising Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson's plan to cut petrol excise by five cents a litre, the newspaper said.

Of 149.6 cents charged for a litre of petrol (the average price in Melbourne on Saturday), about 93.2 cents pays for the product itself, 51.7 cents is absorbed by federal taxes, leaving a retail margin of about 4.7 cents a litre.

And of the 51.7 cents in tax, 38.1 cents is taken as excise and the remaining 13.6 cents as GST, which is charged on the final excise-inclusive price.

Of that amount, about three cents is due to the existence of the excise charge.

The tax inquiry will more broadly consider whether the entire petrol excise regime should be scrapped and replaced with a specially designed environmental tax.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/080524/2/16zuq.html

[Fev]

considering we are all obviously drivers. We all use petrol whether you have LPG or not(fuel for deliveries which effects goods prices etc) Can we THE PUBLIC do somthing to change the government Oil policies? Reduce the taxes etc? Why does our whole country have to suffer huge prices in oil when the government gets paid more and more? Certainly we can do somthing?

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by Fev

considering we are all obviously drivers. We all use petrol whether you have LPG or not(fuel for deliveries which effects goods prices etc) Can we THE PUBLIC do somthing to change the government Oil policies? Reduce the taxes etc? Why does our whole country have to suffer huge prices in oil when the government gets paid more and more? Certainly we can do somthing?

Viva la revolution Captain bh dogs shall lead the revolt

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Viva la revolution Captain bh dogs shall lead the revolt

Unfortunately the only way a revolution will succeed is buy not buying petrol, thus depriving the Govt, petrol companies and Arab states their income.

I cant see that happening...not in this household anyway

[omn1potent]

Fuel passes $2 a litre in outback town

12:28 AEST Tue May 27 2008


Bligh refuses to support any changes to GST on petrol.



Fuel prices in a Queensland outback town have soared to more than $2 a litre, hurting heavy transport operators.

Diesel fuel was priced at $2.02 a litre at the petrol station in the north-west Queensland town of Bedourie.

Unleaded fuel was selling for $1.96 a litre - 59 cents more than the cheapest fuel in Brisbane on Tuesday.

Diamantina Shire mayor Robbie Dare and petrol station operator said fuel prices were at record levels.

"It's the highest (petrol prices) I have seen," said Mr Dare, who has been running the town's only roadhouse for the past 20 years.

"Road contractors and cattle carters are the hardest hit.

"Their fuel costs are cutting into their margins."

Premier Anna Bligh said that while she was concerned the prices were high, Queensland was the only state to provide a fuel subsidy which kept prices down in regional and city areas.

"We are really not in a position to do anything more than we are doing but we are certainly committed, unlike any other state in Australia, to that fuel subsidy," Ms Bligh said.

"We will certainly work with those councils if there are things that can be done to assist them.

"I don't think we should ever give up on trying to improve the capacity to get transport out there (in the bush) in a cost-effective way."

Ms Bligh says she will not support any changes to the GST on petrol that take away revenue from the states.

The Rudd government is considering removing the GST on fuel excise as part of its wide-ranging taxation review.

The move would save motorists around four cents per litre.

Ms Bligh said it was too early to say whether the review would bring relief at the bowser.

"What I will be looking to see achieved is a fair tax system but one that doesn't jeopardise state revenue," Ms Bligh told reporters in Brisbane.

"Any changes to the tax arrangements to this country should be fair ... to the individual taxpayer without any decrease that would affect state revenues.

"I don't think the public wants to see our schools and our hospitals short-changed either."

Ms Bligh said her government would respond to a recent independent report into petrol prices in Queensland in the "very near future".

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Funny how Shell say that "Australians have the worlds forth cheapest prices" behind Mexico, USA and Canada.

Their graph seems to back up this claim.http://www.shell.com/home/content/au...ices_0116.html

But a lot of the countries (with cheap fuel) in the AGE graph dont make onto the Shell one :

If you then compare the prices against GDP, yes we do pay fairly low prices. But then aging what would a citizen of Luxembourg want with 60l of fuel. You can cycle around the place in a day. Of course if you then compare the prices to the average amount of (litres per person) used Australia would be the most impacted.

Of all the nations Australia has the most to lose with high petrol prices. We don't have a manufacturing industry and rail network to pass our transport business off to. People find it hard to believe I drive 600k to visit the dentist, buy some jocks and see a movie, high fuel prices will kill the bush, or bring back Cobb and Co

[Fev]

shoot the btch and get ride of GST On fuel. i cant believe they are complainingthey will lose revenue to pay for other things

1. WELL DUH!
2. WTF did u do before the GST then? huh?

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by Fev

shoot the btch and get ride of GST On fuel. i cant believe they are complainingthey will lose revenue to pay for other things

1. WELL DUH! -
2. WTF did u do before the GST then? huh?

They spent it on a 8c a litre discount for Queensland motorists. Meanwhile every other lazy state in Australia whinged and moaned and the Fedral government decided to take money away from the wealth producing states of Queensland and WA and hand it over to the poorly run NSW and Vic, who promptly bought more speed cameras.

If the Fedral government subsidses everyone by 3c then Queensland Government will be directly forking over 11c a litre. So its more than likely they will not pass on the 3c discount in Queensland.

[SeXC]

Originally Posted by xe351

its not always an option for some. Those in the bush are really going to feel it, and than higher food prices etc

No, no you're right thats a fair call, but as has been mentioned.... you could buy a cheap as pi$$ to run micra or hell, buy my festiva that gets 350ks to 24l, i dont want it, you know why? coz i love my clevo, fuel could be 5 bucks a litre, i dont care, if someone has the most ecomnomical car in the world and they want to complain then so be it. NOONE with a car bigger than a 4 cylinder has the reason to complain (bar people who cant use public transport because there is none). Because it is your choice to own that car.

YES fuel prices suck
YES it costs you an arm and a leg
NO you dont have the right to a v8, it is a privelage
NO WAY IN HELL would you do any bloody different if you owned the fuel company. Se La freakin Vi

On a lighter note.....

Chopper says, "Harden the %$#@ up Australia"

[richa]

This is something iv'e wondered about for awhile now,maybe a forum user can
enlighten me?.Why is it that a 5l container of motor oil bought 7rs ago say for around 30 bucks,still costs around the same today?.I'd have expected it to have gone up by at least a similar amount in
percentage terms as petrol ie somewhere around 100%?

Any ideas?

[Ralliart]

just checked fuel last night 1.47/L omfg : :

[Fev]

thats cheaper then what i got it for. i paid 1.49/lt at caltex - luckily had a docket.

Last tuesday when the prices skyrocketed i saw it go up to 1.62lt(from 1.42/lt) at a mobile in west pennant hills, sydney. i almost crashed thinking WTF!! 20c rise!!


anyone notice Shell stations putting up the E10 petrol on their price signs where the normal ulp used to be? sneaky bastards, i wonder how many people thinking the prices were heaps cheap drove straight in!

[sgt_doofey]

Spare a thought for us poor people that run diesel cars. It's over $1.80 per litre now. I can't understand how diesel can be that much more expensive than unleaded?

[Fev]

i think its a more expensive process to make diesel, or the oil thats used in it is more expensive(there are different crude oils for different things)

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by Fev

i think its a more expensive process to make diesel, or the oil thats used in it is more expensive(there are different crude oils for different things)

So why is diesel cheaper than unleaded in other parts of the world? E.g. Europe, US, NZ? You always go for a diesel car over in Europe as diesel is cheaper to buy than petrol. I've leased and hired cars in Europe and always gone for the diesel car.

[Fev]

maybe they import more diesel and get a better price? im guessing here, but it probably has somthing to do with supply/demand, europe has alot of diesel hatches 4cyl's ie volkwagens, volvo's audi's etc etc and, not to say we dont but id say they have a higher concentration of diesel cars compared to us. Also, shipping routes would be a decrease costs for them as they dont have to travel halfway around the world? just a couple of idea's but i really dont know for sure

[TZENU]

Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Spare a thought for us poor people that run diesel cars. It's over $1.80 per litre now. I can't understand how diesel can be that much more expensive than unleaded?

Unfortunately a demand for small diesel cars exist (why would manufacturers be pushing for diesel power otherwise??) and so obviously "they" (i don't even know who "they" are anymore!) have found a way to cash in on the 'diesel craze'.... Im betting that 4cyl petrol cars, in the next couple of months, might outsell their diesel competitors..

Bottom line is that the govt can sqeeze every cent out of us by putting petrol prices up.. We need fuel to get to work and to operate businesses! Sure we can argue till we're blue in the face but they have us by our ***s.

[Fev]

quoted from PM Rudd himself!

"When it comes to consumers, we will always side with motorists and consumers against a cosy relationship with big oil companies."

*sniff-sniff* i smell bullsh*t

EDIT: and large amounts of it too!

[ck11]

Spare a thought for us poor people that run diesel cars. It's over $1.80 per litre now. I can't understand how diesel can be that much more expensive than unleaded?

Due to the demand for diesel in countries such as india and china. I know personally in india, most cars are diesel and not petrol due to the economy. Over there petrol is costlier than diesel.

[Green X]

Just got back from a work trip overseas, Got Home after 30hrs on the go, sleep deprived, smelling of a mixture of B/O, deodorant and Alcohol. fairly annoyed that my luggage never made it onto the plain in Switzerland and is probably now residing in a airport in Germany, i pulled in and filled the T up at 1.61 a liter, the Words F**^ing C*&^'s was used as the nozel was lifted from the bowser.

This got me pondering
I was sitting in my Hotel room in Spain early this week watching the upward march of oil on CNN then just as evrybody started getting real ticked off with it all, what a shock it stops at what $140 a barrel and just *(&^% plummets back down to what $127 in 2 days.

You carn't help but think halve this chit is caused buy the media hype and outrageous perditions buy analysts who must have got there qualifications on the back of a cornflakes box then oil company's using this and seeing how far they can push before the public snap to create a new "acceptable price" that we will pay.

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[mik]

Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Spare a thought for us poor people that run diesel cars. It's over $1.80 per litre now. I can't understand how diesel can be that much more expensive than unleaded?

spare a thought for the truckies that have to put 300/400 litres of diesel a day, its no wonder the cost of living is spiraling out of control, but as always some greedy fat cats at the top are lining they`re pockets at our expense, someone said it further back fuel prices are manipulated .....TOTALLY AGREE.

[kempster1]

Interesting listening to most of the city based people whinging about paying around $1.50 per litre.

Have a thought for the people in rural Australia..
We are currently paying the following:
ULP $1.99 per litre (Just went down a bit it was over $2 also)
Diesel $2.10 per litre

There are plenty of other members on here from rural locations, what are you paying?

[Grunter]

Some interesting info on peak oil on Wiki.

Link Here

Arguments for and against the "realities" of peak oil, but some concerning points in there none the less.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by mik

spare a thought for the truckies that have to put 300/400 litres of diesel a day,

Most Trucks in our fleet use 800-1100 litres a day and we've got about 140 of them...(Trucks that is, not litres

Originally Posted by kempster1

Interesting listening to most of the city based people whinging about paying around $1.50 per litre.

Have a thought for the people in rural Australia..
We are currently paying the following:
ULP $1.99 per litre (Just went down a bit it was over $2 also)
Diesel $2.10 per litre

There are plenty of other members on here from rural locations, what are you paying?

But your overseas so that doesn't count

[kempster1]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Most Trucks in our fleet use 800-1100 litres a day and we've got about 140 of them...(Trucks that is, not litres

Currently run a power station, each of our engines use up to 440 litre per hour, the station uses around 11,000 ltrs per day.

[mik]

[QUOTE=GasOLane]Most Trucks in our fleet use 800-1100 litres a day and we've got about 140 of them...(Trucks that is, not litres




yep my mistake the mob i was working for would use the same i reckon, i was thinking my shift only, thats one huge fuel bill, and a big lump of taxes going into the government kitty GasOLane...., thank christ i`m no longer an owner driver .

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by mik

i was thinking my shift only,

Thats more like it