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EXTERIOR - YES 172 46.11%
EXTERIOR - NO 189 50.67%
INTERIOR - YES 273 73.19%
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Old 28-02-2013, 08:27 PM   #841
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FG is very Euro...simple, functional, clean.






The VF is plush and elegant, but looks Korean/Japanese in origin...it does make the FG's look dated somewhat, and i hope the FU does get a leather dash top, i even found the Camry dashboard to be quite interesting looking (with its fake leather lol)


That caddilac interior looks amazing, i wonder why Holden didnt base it on that?
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Errrr ... guys .... the VF interior SHOULD look more modern than the FG. It's a new/er car? It's hardly accurate to compare huh?

For what it's worth though, I still think the FG stands up prety well.
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what is Holdens infatuation with oversized knobs and dials on the dash ?

Another thing I always wondered was why is the hazard light always prominent in the centre, how often does anyone ever actually use it ? its like that in a friends VZ as well which I thought was really odd.
Just on the hazard light switch, I always thought this myself until you start to drive in some countries over seas. I don't think I have ever used it here but some places, it is mandatory to use all the time, almost as much as blinkers. Took a little to get used to it but everyone uses it if traffic slows down, traffic jams, something on the road, cattle, pot holes .... anything really ..... and amazingly does work very very well. Actually when you get back here you wonder why people don't use it. It does help. But anyway, that's why it is so prominent

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The Commodores hazard light switch needs to be easy to get to when it inevitably breaks down.
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Ugh, with that bootlid it looks like that awful CR-X 'ute' from the early 90s...
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I'm in the habit of driving for a couple km with the hazard lights on if there's spooked cows on the road, a fallen tree or even a koala out for a stroll so I use them often. Just inducing that little bit of hesitation works against even the most aggressive drivers to save the life of something/someone. It works well, everyone should use them more often, I know I'd appreciate the warning.
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This is like an interesting thought experiment: "What if Holden had released the AU, not Ford? Would it have sold?" With a base model with such an 'interesting' rear treatment and lack of cohesiveness, I guess we get our chance to find out.

My 2c is the interior is fantastic on the upper spec cars, and Holden will be saved by virtue of the wagon NOT being changed behind the B pillars too much.
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This is like an interesting thought experiment: "What if Holden had released the AU, not Ford? Would it have sold?" With a base model with such an 'interesting' rear treatment and lack of cohesiveness, I guess we get our chance to find out.

My 2c is the interior is fantastic on the upper spec cars, and Holden will be saved by virtue of the wagon NOT being changed behind the B pillars too much.
The AU Forte's design was cohesive, unlike that monstrosity (VF Omega)

That being said, Joe public won't find the VF Omega's rear nearly as offensive as the AU's.
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When the AU was released I thought it was the ugliest car Id ever seen other than the Taurus from that time... It was BAD. I thought the VE was ugly too and I didn't think the VN looked as good as the VL.. Lol. The only thing impressive about the VN in the day was its grunt from the factory. I remember my mother test driving one and being so scared of it she thought it was outright dangerous and kept her VH Lol. She actually ended up with an AU later on and still loves it now and that's not much slower than a VN.. You see even power expectations change.

Things change because now I think the AU and VE look pretty good and VNs are damm near outstanding classics. Didn't work for the poor old VL, it looked fantastic when new, just gone backwards since.

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I thought the current Toyota Camry / Aurion was ugly, but that Commodore takes first place, by a huge margin!

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Could you explain the bold part a bit more, as am not sure I understand where you are going with that one? The 'fit together', as in, how it is built & physically put together to 100% perfect in my FG Falcon & was on my brothers FG he use to own. So I don’t think this is an area that needs great improving.
LOL, have you even noticed how Ford cant even make the passenger side airbag line up with the dash? 100% perfect? Improvement is totally necessary! Now back on to the ugly commodore...
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LOL, have you even noticed how Ford cant even make the passenger side airbag line up with the dash? 100% perfect? Improvement is totally necessary!
You don't mean this do you?




Because I'm pretty sure that's no accident...
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Yes that is it. All the FG's are the same and it doesn't do the interior finish any justice. I can't help wondering why Ford haven't designed this part to line up correctly.
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Because I'm pretty sure that's no accident...
I never noticed this before on my FG2 until you posted it. I don't think it looks all that bad. I understand it looks odd, but like you say, maybe its designed that way for a reason. Would be interested to know if there is.
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Yes that is it. All the FG's are the same and it doesn't do the interior finish any justice. I can't help wondering why Ford haven't designed this part to line up correctly.
So it's not that Ford "cant even" make it line up, its a design decision. You can see the little crease just above the "AIRBAG" writing lines up perfectly.

It's the same as saying Ford "cant even" paint their cars properly because the FPVs have raccoon eyes.

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I never noticed this before on my FG2 until you posted it. I don't think it looks all that bad. I understand it looks odd, but like you say, maybe its designed that way for a reason. Would be interested to know if there is.
I believe it is to cover up the gap between airbag cover and the spear. Same as some European cars having a little overhang above the glove box so you can't see the gap where the glove box meets the dash.
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when i think of dash boards in my old age , what comes to mind is less about aesthetics and more about the practical use, how easy are the functions to use while driving along without looking at the dash, steering wheel controls etc, does the binnacle/ touch screen suffer from reflections on a bright sunny day,
if you had never driven either car before, say just hired one for a day you would have to have a very good look at most of the controls to see what`s going on, i certainly don`t think you would be changing a lot of the settings without having to glance at them again and again, except for the hazard button.

A bit more thought put into them could have made either of the locals a little better, it`s not to expensive or hard to put a bit of Braille work on buttons, you slide your finger across them and feel the bumps, no need to even take your eyes off the road.
i suppose voice controls on these modern bangers might take some of the button pushing away, the brief amount of time i have used them on my mobile and gps, i just wanted to take a hammer to both of them ......... maybe the car systems are better?
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I believe it is to cover up the gap between airbag cover and the spear. Same as some European cars having a little overhang above the glove box so you can't see the gap where the glove box meets the dash.
Don't be ridiculous! It's a feature specifically designed to infuriate us fussy types in that it's impossible to completely clean all the dust out of, even with a vacuum...

Not that I've ever owned one but having worked at a car wash years ago, these types of designs on other models were a pain in that regard.
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To customers used to newer European cars, where the airbag panel is completely concealed, it is one thing that adds up to a cheap ambience.
I would say the scratchy material the glovebox is made of, and the plasticky doorhandles with heaps of play need attention first. Overall I still think FG is a great place to sit, except for the ICC colours, lack of one touch/ illuminated window switches.
Not being picky, but this stuff matters when making a first impression .Its called showroom appeal.
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Overall I still think FG is a great place to sit, except for the ICC colours, lack of one touch/ illuminated window switches.
Not being picky, but this stuff matters when making a first impression .Its called showroom appeal.
FG sedans actually do have illuminated window switches, although the steering wheel mounted volume, bluetooth & cruise controls are not illuminated.

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Because I'm pretty sure that's no accident...
Definitely no accident, it's also on the driver's side too, you can see both sides have the same design feature-

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The photos of 'new' VF Ute and Sportswagon are now shown on the Holden webpage.

Both of them appears to have no changes of the rear ends from VE.
Probably a cost-cutting decision to not put some new taillights on them..

The 'new' VF (even the sedan) is clearly just a facelift, with most of the panels (floorpan, roof etc.) unchanged.

The upgrades are similar to what happened with Territory SY to SZ. Territory got a significant nose-job, and a medium rear-job.

The VF sedan seems to have got a quite big job in both ends, but the doors seems to be exactly the same as VE.

Territory got new mechanics in its upgrade. (electric power steering, light weight sub-frame etc.) Does anyone know if the VF upgrade contains any mechanical news?

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Base model LPG VF spotted today.

p.s, front look like a Suzuki Kisashi !
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LOL, have you even noticed how Ford cant even make the passenger side airbag line up with the dash? 100% perfect? Improvement is totally necessary! Now back on to the ugly commodore...
That's a petty comment. If it didn't fit properly on the front edge it wouldn't fit properly at the rear edge where it meets up with the dashboard. I've got an FG and fit and finish on the inside is pretty good; no squeaks or rattles either!
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dont mind that angle of the vf. only looks really bad on the side on shot
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Things change because now I think the AU and VE look pretty good and VNs are damm near outstanding classics. Didn't work for the poor old VL, it looked fantastic when new, just gone backwards since.
Disagreed.

Though I still have VL blood. VNs have always been and always will be ugly boats to me. On the rare occasion I see a straight original VL I think "Yeah they still look good".

VNs are the epitome of styling gone horribly wrong IMO lol.
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Well everyone's tastes are different, for me the lines of a VN are becoming very classic these days. Its the HQ of this day. In the early commodore I always preferred the VH but I couldnt really say the VH is as good looking as as VN or VP (never could decide which I preferred but I prefer them both over the vr/s). Another car I thought was butt ugly originally was the XD, now I looove the look of them, very tough. Best looking Falcon for me at the moment.
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LOL

I sat in traffic in front of the VF for about 10 mins, watching in my rear view mirror..... Watching how no one took a second glance at the VF !! Very non descript in base model trim.
No DRL's, no foggies, 16" rims... but it did have projector beam headlamps.
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i think they look a bit better especially in the rear, although it does look a bit more kia/ hyundai looking.
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Going to be interesting to see how HSV put a massive spoiler on top of that massive lip!



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Interesting read of what the USA journos think of the export Chevy SS http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/07/t...ent/#continued
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