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go the 4", if your putting a 460ci in it
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No probs.it wasnt long ago where 3 inch exhausts were rubbished until Stiddy came along with his standard xr6hp manual and runs flat 15 second 1/4 miles.
Too many people take what they are given and jump on new ideas
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I really think Useless needs some help in the maths department.
area = 3.14 x (radius^2) therefore 2.5" = 4.9 square inches 2 x 2.5" = 9.8 square inches 4" exhaust therefore has an area of 12.56" applying your "4L/5L" theory the optimum area for a 5L is then 15.7 square inches or twin 3.1"
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when i had a 2.5in cat back system my pb was a 15.2 only ran it once, most times it was low 15.3's
with the 3in cat back system ive run a 15.009 and now running consistant 15.0's and 15.1's im interested to see what a set of headers will do... but i'd say 3in is the MAX for an NA I6...... |
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oh and i'll add that its a Mandrel bent 3in system with only one small 14in straight through muffler...
its incredibly loud, really not for street.. no need for it, but i love it.. scared people, just ask HLC about our highway incident LOL.. but i think going twin 2.5's on an I6, would just be too much.. |
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Are you going to modify the extractors to have a 4" output?
I would be doing a bit more research before you go ahead. When people are jumping on new ideas it is usually for a good reason. |
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this is interesting... i am researching exhaust size, and thinking of going 3"...
when doing my engine conversion, i noticed the extractors have a 3" flange, then going into a 2.5" system. my only concern is whether 3" will be too big, as with the cam i have i have already lost a fair bit of bottom end power, but then i just have to launch harder and slip the clutch more...
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go the 3inch..... so what if you have to launch/slip harder at the track :P
i let mine go from 3500 - 4000rpm... |
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If I was going to be giving up any more of my low end power I would make damm sure I was getting way more back at the top end. That is unless I gave up using my car as a daily driver. |
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whats done to your car?
i wouldnt say you loose alot of bottom end power.. but you can notice a gain up the top.. sort of feels like they have moved the power band up 500rpm.. or cut 500rpm power from down low and stuck it uptop.. i certainly dont regret getting a 3in system.. |
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Four inch on a 6 cyclinder is not only overkill, it would be horrible noise pollution.
And not all cars gain power with pipes dropped, mine makes 14rwkw more with the first section of exhaust on, but loses 30rwkw with the tailpipes on. |
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i used to run a very interesting setup ...
two sets of extractors (a 3 cyl) ending in a 2" flange, connected to two 2.5" cat, then 2.5" piping for another meter before cellecting into a 3" pipe that connected to the 3" muffler, from there 3" over the diff to tip. bottom end was house even before i put that exhaust due to the cam i was running. however it allowed to rev quite freely and quickly in the top end. performance gains were only minimal, however did show small increases in the overall power. Overall noice was actually a tad quiter in the bottom end, but definatly quite angry in the top end. Great little experiment ... took two weekends and lots of swearing BTW best results i gained from no exhaust :p suprise suprise the new engine will receive a twin 3" exhaust with twin 4" cats ...
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the ox sensor was fitted to the extractors of the rear 3 cylinders. we tested which one (the front 3 or the rear 3) were running leaner and found that the rear ones were just very slightly leaner. That way we could be sure that the leanest reading was used as point of refrence. Engine ended up running just a tad richer, but it was acceptable, as reading were a max of .1 off.
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anything i'd have to say would be too mean. lol!
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If you really want the maximum exhaust flow from your engine, you need to match the cross sectional surface area of the exhaust pipes to the surface area of the exhaust manifold (for most people this would be extractors). The best system would actually be one pipe per cylinder, but running 6 cats and 6 hego sensors is a bit expensive, fiddly and you will probably get incorrect readings from that many O2 sensors.
I have PH4499s, so I think they are a 1 5/8" primary. 4480s are 1 1/2" primaries - I'll use them as they are pretty close to each other anyway. So if you want to keep the same surface area as 6 x 1.5, work out the surface area as Pi*R^2 for one, and multiply by 6. Surface area for 1 primary = 3.14159 * 2.25 = 7.07 square inches. 6 of these is 42.42. To find the best single pipe, now divide 42.42 by Pi. The answer is 13.5. Get the square root of 13.5 and that's the ideal diameter for a single system = 3.67" pipe. For 1 5/8 primary, the answer is 3.98" - close enough to 4" really. So useless may be onto something, if it weren't for things like back pressure, torque etc. In an ideal world, 4" would be ideal
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might as well just run straight out of the head then
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fact is big diameter exhaust are good for high rpm applications ie racing (drag or strip) where the engine is always within optimum rpm range is never left and where so called back pressure is not that important
smaller diameter exhaust are good for street application, where engine is mainly used in low rpm application to provide increased torque and driveability and of course less noise ... id like to see a race car with undersized exhaust for the low end torque jk
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