The importance of brand value: example Toyota 86 v Subaru BRZ

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by pwr4ce

I had a 1990 Celica GT-Four Turbo charged 4WD - what a scream that was. A great piece of kit for its time.

Probably the only Celica that I'd swap my 3rd Gen RA60 for would be a GT-Four...

[pwr4ce]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Probably the only Celica that I'd swap my 3rd Gen RA60 for would be a GT-Four...

Yeah - all the GT-Fours were a great cars.
Handling and performance ( mine use to get airborne on the odd occasion too )

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I think the motor in the XV was a whole new engine...deliberately built not to be too powerful (what?) and understressed. We looked at one when they were released and you could notice the lack of oomph, especially with the CVT transmission.
I think the "normal" 2.0 engine is the older style more powerful one.

Ours is the cvt and is definitly not fast lol. Great daily but.

When we were at the subie dealers they had a brz and wax beside each other in that limited edition pale blue, brz looked friggn awesome next to the wrx.

Just seems so obvious... Pull the motor out of the awd sedan, and drop it into the 2 door coupe. What an absolute cracker of a car that would be then.

[Feathers]

I prefer the (admittedly only slightly) different styling of the GT86 over the BRZ. They're both fun cars though.

But from what I read it was a 10:1 sales ratio between Toyota and Subaru.
Maybe the Toyota designers did more of the work, maybe not, but it had nothing to do with marketing.

[Qwerty321]

Lets be honest. We'd all pay extra to not have to say "I drive a Toyota". But 86 does look slightly better than a BRZ and as far as the BRZ goes, it's not really a Subaru if it isn't AWD.

[Sprintey]

Toyota have a bit of history of outsourcing components in their classic sports cars, from memory the 2000 GT had a lot of Yamaha input (assembly? Certainly the 3M engine and body) and the Sports 800 was a creation of the Kanto Auto works. Also, the Sports 800 featured a boxer engine...

[tut0r]

As far as I remember the Toyota came in two varients didn't it? The GT and GTS or something around there? Where the subaru came with one varient? I also remember the top model toyota 86 had more kit than the subaru, interior wise at least.

[K.P.]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

Lets be honest. We'd all pay extra to not have to say "I drive a Toyota". But 86 does look slightly better than a BRZ and as far as the BRZ goes, it's not really a Subaru if it isn't AWD.

Really you think so? I prefer the look of the BRZ, and it has a few more options than the Toyota.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Tell me one Toyota model which has a boxer engine other than the 86? That is pure Subaru DNA.

the word i hear on the grapevine is that toyota has had some input into the boxer engines bits, so maybe its not 100 % boxer , but dont quote me on that ..

[ebv8]

a buddy at work was looking at buying a BRZ, but there wasn't any around second hand. I said why not buy a 86 GTS but he said no the BRZ is better that's why its harder to get.
on that theory Subaru might have been counting on stupid people.

this coming from a guy who's parents will not let him buy a used car because they cost too much to run but are more than happy for him to spend $43k cash on a new WRX.