Federal Government says it is “closely considering” charging drivers per kilometre t

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Jack960

I highly doubt it would ever be implemented given the privacy issues.

What privacy? Heavy vehicles, courier vehicles and some company vehicles already have GPS tracking to see where you are and what speeds youre doing.

My uncle contracts out as a courier driver and they all have to have GPS tracking on their vehicles.

One guy went a different way onroute to a job and got grilled over it. Asking why he drove down two particular streets rather than taking the most direct route.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Guzz226

won't happen anytime soon due to the cost of implementing such a system and challenges of adding to every single vehicle. Not to mention political fallout.

Much easier to simply increase fuel tax as a proxy - given the more you drive, the more fuel, the more tax - only gap here is the battery cars, although statistically not an issue for now at least. When these numbers do become significant and the demands on fuel reduce it will get interesting.

This per kilometre charge isn't just under consideration, planning and design is already under way. The way they see it, any costs associated with implementation and running it will be completely offset by the revenue it would bring in. Fuel excise will remain, and all the current registration structures will remain in place as is.

I don't have a source for this, it is a deduction based on precedent and knowing how the bureaucracy works. Remember, speed cameras were under consideration at one point, where are we now? Victoria alone has revenue from speed cameras as a budget item and is in the ballpark of $350 million per year.

And yet every day, we keep being told the system is working...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

What privacy? Heavy vehicles, courier vehicles and some company vehicles already have GPS tracking to see where you are and what speeds youre doing.

My uncle contracts out as a courier driver and they all have to have GPS tracking on their vehicles.

One guy went a different way onroute to a job and got grilled over it. Asking why he drove down two particular streets rather than taking the most direct route.

Company and personal vehicles are different.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Dash_XR

I'd prefer that instead of a flat fee for rego, then I won't have to pay $700 for a car that gets used maybe once or twice a week. If it's on top of rego then that would suck.

You know what will happen if they bring this crap in, they will really just be setting us up to shaft us some more, these bastards don't give away freebies, they keep you busy shaking your hand and smiling at you while they pick your pocket and drain your credit card and visit the pub with what little cash you had in the wallet.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chevypower

This is the "conservative" Liberal party? I would have expected this from Labor.

Would probably have started under Labour, its just taken so many years to produce the report..

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Company and personal vehicles are different.

It is my uncle's personal vehicle, you want to work for that company you have GPS tracking installed or you go elsewhere.

I don't see the difference.

[Peter B - CV8]

I'm eagerly awaiting Ricky Muir's response ........

[Whitey-AMG]

What a great initiative.....

Its in direct contrast to many of the planning decisions made in most states where they allow developers to buy vast tracts of land in the middle of nowhere to build cheap housing ( cheaper property values ) which is invariably purchased by the low to middle income earners. These poor buggers will then be slugged even more to drive to work - especially if these planned development estates are huge distances to Metro/ outer metro / city areas where most of the work is. Would also affect property values EVEN MORE as well I reckon - based on average distances to major metro areas / shopping centres etc etc.....

Unless this initiative is backed up by brilliant public transport inftastructure and car pooling tax exemptions and ZERO fuel exise and a huge reduction in road toll pricing and registration fees - then this will only serve to create an even bigger poor underclass. Great work.

[Dash_XR]

Originally Posted by mik

You know what will happen if they bring this crap in, they will really just be setting us up to shaft us some more, these bastards don't give away freebies, they keep you busy shaking your hand and smiling at you while they pick your pocket and drain your credit card and visit the pub with what little cash you had in the wallet.

Tell me about it, just spent 1800 on private health insurance to get 900 off an operation lol. I'm pretty much single with no dependents, I honestly don't know how you guys stay in front with family's and all the rest without being on over 100k a year. Sometimes it just seems it would be easier to give up working and start getting all the handouts and concessions instead.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It is my uncle's personal vehicle, you want to work for that company you have GPS tracking installed or you go elsewhere.

I don't see the difference.

Its used for work...as opposed to having a car that is used ONLY for personal use.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

When I was in NZ in 2011, I was on a bus talking to a bus driver taking us around, and I mentioned that diesel was so cheap compared to Australia, it was like $1.36/L or something for diesel and 91 was $1.95/L.

Bus driver was saying they had all these extra taxes on diesel vehicles they had to pay..

Why is 91 so expensive over in NZ?

Diesel is currently $1.48/l while 91 is 2.23. Diesel road user charges is $58 per 1000km for cars/4wds. From memory this is so the marine and agricultural industry don't have to pay road tax when they buy diesel.
I've recently bought an E46 320d which is good for 5.5-5.6 l/100km open road (better on all flat roads). Ad in road user charges and it is only about $20 cheaper per 1000km than a petrol 316/318i. Factor in higher diesel R&M costs and diesel passenger cars are false economy. The way I'm getting around this... Buying a used instrument cluster that already has mileage matched to what I've paid for ;)

[Bearman]

This proposal is very bad news for me, I have a 100km a day commute to get to my job.

My wife is a 10 min drive tops for her work.

Moving is not an option as robbing peter to pay Paul makes no sense, besides, I can't afford to move.

This will be the end for roadtrips, cruising any great distance in the Coupe and greatly reduce visits to the country to visit family.

The Govt can stick this proposal up their khyber pass.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Bearman

The Govt can stick this proposal up their khyber pass.

As much as I hate defending politicians I don't think its a proposal. Its an Idea at this stage! An Idea they may be considering but I'm pretty sure even our current propaganda savvy government could sell it. the Cost of administering what must be a very complex 'tax' surely would outweigh the benefit.
I will not accept paying as much per KM for my 800 Kg car as I would for my 1.8Tonne car. My 4.2 meter long car will need to be be cheaper than my 5.2 meter long ute and what about all those other variations of size, weight, distance, fuel economy, usage, axle count impact on industry, and poor old small business etc that would need to be solved to make a fair tax! Oh hang on Taxes dont need to be fair. Then ammened the relationship of states and federal as it pertains to road, would it be cheaper to drive 1 km in Sydney than Perth?
then imagine the cost of installing accurate KM checkers/counters in every car.
But if its a flat rate per car and petrol tax is greatly reduced (unlikely) then there can be more V8s as petrol consumption wont be a determinant just how many Km's you travel.

OOOh I could do 150Km's per week at WOT and still pay less than someone traveling 300Km's in a buz box...Ohh I l like it, Bring it on.

JP

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by falconnut

Brb moving to canada

Canada isn't Canada anymore :(

[commonrails]

The only three things I can see this achieve is,

1# Cost the honest people who don't roll back their kms
2# Make people that roll back kms some coin
3# Make the second hand car market an even bigger minefield

[Bucknaked]

Maybe they should also just consider making all wage earners deposit all their salary direct into the coffers. Then we can survive on food stamps and live a miserable existence all for the benefit of the government I'm fed up with being a cash cow. Don't bother trying to make a life for yourself or your family. You are going to be made to pay for it.

Maybe I should just buy a gun and put it to my head and pull the trigger. I don't see any other way.

[Nikked]

So, does this replace rego, or sit on top?


Because the way I see it i, we already pay hefty taxes on fuel, taxes that were originally implemented to pay for roads. Besides that, it seems like every major arterial road in major cities is tolled as well.

And at the end of the day, they kilometers I drive to work will just go to some new expressway in sydney, not into fixing the goat track I travel on...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bearman

This proposal is very bad news for me, I have a 100km a day commute to get to my job.

My wife is a 10 min drive tops for her work.

Moving is not an option as robbing peter to pay Paul makes no sense, besides, I can't afford to move.

This will be the end for roadtrips, cruising any great distance in the Coupe and greatly reduce visits to the country to visit family.

The Govt can stick this proposal up their khyber pass.

Exact same situation where I used to work, 110km a day total commute to/from work.

Fuel costs were good though, $35/week in the Focus .

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Canada isn't Canada anymore :(

Correct, its Canaidia!

[2011G6E]

It's what my late father used to call a "conversation starter" policy idea...

In other words, something the government leaks, reveals, or lets slip is a "policy idea" or a "result of a consultation process" or a "possible future policy position"...which can be easily walked away from or denied as being part of solid government policy if public outcry is too loud.
They let it out, and then sit back quietly and watch carefully what the public reception is...if it's bad, they distance themselves from it, but if it's quiet or good, then they do something about it.

And example is that in the early eighties, the Hawke government decided it might be a peachy keen idea to fix homelessness by looking at pensioners houses...people who had usually large houses and a few empty rooms...and stick a bunch of homeless people and families in with them. Problem solved!
Pensioners groups were outraged, my parents were very worried, but the government then scoffed at the idea...it was merely something that came out of a discussions group, something that was a blue-sky idea that was never going to be seriously considered as part of government policy...*cough*...

Let's see what happens here, shall we?

[thefargo]

cyclists as well?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by thefargo

cyclists as well?

15/07/2014 - 5:51PM - can of worms opened

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by thefargo

cyclists as well?

Originally Posted by Big Damo

15/07/2014 - 5:51PM - can of worms opened

Only if they use Clover Moore's cycle lane, so they can use "Bike tax" to pay for more cycle lanes...

[commonrails]

Originally Posted by thefargo

cyclists as well?

Originally Posted by Big Damo

15/07/2014 - 5:51PM - can of worms opened

Yeah right, the tax will probably fund them in some shape or form. Free helmet or extra abrasive gloves to scratch cars paint work when leaning on them at traffic lights.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It is my uncle's personal vehicle, you want to work for that company you have GPS tracking installed or you go elsewhere.

I don't see the difference.

We have four or five body trucks subbied to us at work, all have gps tracking, and all of them are only required to have the trackers on while they're working.

Once they've clocked off they are well within their rights to turn them off.

[CyberWasp]

Maybe we can make a 'Hot Air' tax and dock the pay of politicians everytime they open their mouth and come up with a stupid idea.

[Jack960]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Company and personal vehicles are different.

Exactly. I understand tracking company cars and heavy vehicles however personal cars for private use are different. I mean who maintains the system? Corrupt people in the system could track the movement of anyone, any decent computer programmer could gain access and track people ect. It would never pass for private cars.

[XW-BAXR6T]

I'll be looking at riding my bicycle instead in future....

[tut0r]

Hey least if they want to put tracking into every registered car, if its stolen they can use it to find your car.....Oh wait I forgot that would be benefiting the general populous and we can't have that in Aus!!

[Serial_Fool]

How about every dollar raised by theft through speeding fines, registration, fees, etc etc, go back into developing our road infrastructure?

[dmat2391]

except roads are a state issue, the federal gov has no constitutional power over this so..............internet B.S. Trolling in my opinion.
Can't see the state's falling over themselves to give more power to the federal parliament of "do nothing but tax and talk".