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Go and get an axe, and attack the speed camera operator that snapped you..
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Just a little update...
I gave the State Debt Recovery Office a call to see what was happening as my 21days was up and I was getting a little worried. I was informed that they had received my letter and the fine had been placed on hold for now. They are just waiting on something else before they decide what to do. |
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In Victoria if under 15kmph and no fines for a few years, write a letter, address it to the Officer in Charge, Traffic Camera Office. In the letter state time, day and place of offence, vehicle details and admissions to driving. State your reason for speeding and state you are sorry and would like to be considered for a warning. If you have an excellent driving record prior to fine make mention of that.
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I agree with Duke and think they can apply a bit more discretion in such cases. In the good old days... they had a prima facia test apply and basically, if you presented a good enough case to the copper then he could let you go (even with a warning) http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ella/speed.jpg
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I have drafted a letter on behalf of my dad who was caught 8 km/h over on a Sunday morning.
Basically states that in 31 years and over 1,000,000k's of driving he has never had a fine of any description... Should get off on that one. If not, we are off to court.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Japan
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its because of people like you that they continously bring the speed limit down, just follow the stupid limit! the roads may handle faster speeds, but statistically you can't handle the speed! break the law, cop the penalty i say, no different to any other law, you know its wrong but you still do it. |
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When the Police tag an accident as speed related, the speed involved being deemed as excessive may have been within the speed limit. The actual cause is not statistically gathered, separately from other factors. I do not endorse speeding, But speed will rarely (if ever) cause an accident - although it can make accidents worse. I think this thread is about the law, and the clemency that the law provides. |
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Don't want to steal the thread, but... You could probably argue to the nth degree as to whether speed was the cause of an accident so you can simply write it off as a contributing factor. I don't buy that speed is rarely or ever the cause of an accident. A vehicle taking a tight bend rated for 30kph at 90kph, car doesn't make it, runs wide and collects a tree. You could list half a dozen factors as to what caused the accident but quite simply, had the car been doing the rated speed or less on that bend then there's a significantly higher chance they would have negotitated it. |
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I don't understand why because you have had a clean driving record you should be allowed 1 indescretion??????, Why??????????
The same argument could be used if I murdered someone...I have never been charged with anything in my life, surely 1 little murder should not blemish that........ Pffft you admit you were going more than the speed lim it, PAY THE FINE and take responsibilty for your actions!
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So keeping in mind that there are rules in place to ask for a review, you wouldnt do so if it was the first fine you had ever received in your driving history?
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The police have discretion to allow you off, just because this particular officer did not see fit to allow you that discretion does not mean you were not doing more than the speed limit. Usual rule of thumb is a 10% discretion, which to me would mean you must of by the officers radar been doing more than 10klm over the limit, which to IMO is not just a lapse in judgment, 5-6 klm per hour may be put down to Speedo accuracy anything more, you either a. should have paid more attention or B. made a conscious decision to do it. What is there to review? I am not saying I am a perfect driver, but to answer your question if I would ask for a review, NO I would not especially after acknowledging the fact I was in the wrong. Reson for EDIT Spelling
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If you do the crime do the time (or pay the fine)
If you were speeding what is the problem??? By stating your clean driving record are you saying this was the very first time in all your driving life that you exceeded the speed limit?? Or is it the first time you were caught and fined??? If it was the first time you were caught, be glad for all the other times you were not caught, and where you won the game, the one time you lost just accept the punishment. |
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D: I find hard to believe in any event. E: No where in the above posts does he deny he doing more than 100 kph, In fact he has written a letter basically stating he was guilty but asked for consideration of his previous driving record.
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Basically you are forgeting that I am doing nothing wrong in writing a letter asking for a review. There are rules in place that allow me to do so. I find it hard to beleive that you or anyone else would not do the same. Using what Duke was referring to, would you pay more tax then what you would have to? Also to compare this to me murdering someone is just ridiculous.
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Just in passing though, if you are folowing someone and they keep fluctuating their speeed because they are towing a trailer/van so they go faster down hill and slow up; would you try and overtake them? and what if this just happened to be on a nice straight stretch of road where they were close to the speed limit. You may sit there but me and others are going to leave htem to it - and by doing so we may happen to 'speed' or go over the posted limit. Never been there? |
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yes I am sure we all have, I know I have, does not change the fact you would be speeding....this is so simple....if your vehicle is traveling faster than the posted speed limit you are breaking the law and liable to punishment, no matter what story you come up with, how safe you believe it is how great a driver you are etc etc etc.
So if you do it, then get caught why whinge, no one made you do it...be responsible for your own actions why blame the cop doing his job enforcing our laws, and don't get me wrong I nearly lost my licence and possibly my job not too long ago for speeding, but I did not blame the cop I blamed my right foot....he was not driving the car I was... |
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You however asked the question, would I do that, to which I think I have said I would not. If however I was the person charged with doing the review, what I have said would be my opinion/discretionary judgment (if I were in that position). To use the illustration of murder is simply a crime to illustrate a point. I could have used the same illustration by saying insider trading, fraud, rape, or assault. The point is a clean record does not get you off any of them, why is this different?
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But if I was charged/convicted of any of those crimes I would have the right to appeal in which case may or may not result in a reduction in the sentence. So relating back to this case, if the review was in my favour I may be given a warning instead of the fine and loss of points. So really it is no different.
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Well we will just have to await the outcome wont we.
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pay the fine
only way to get of is if they have no proof mates been let off many times as he's been lucky not to get caught when they have a read out like fixed camera or laser gun. plus he never admits an wrong doing once he was doing around 90 in a 60 got of in court. im never so lucky lost license 3 times many speeding fine enough for a supercharger make me cry when i think about it. been clean now for 3-4 years hope my luck continues |
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