Unichip?

josh_hartman · 24-05-2007, 05:09 PM

I am looking for a chip. i have heard about unichip. does it take spped limiter away and where do i it from?

Hibbz · 24-05-2007, 05:23 PM

Be very careful when considering removing the speed limiter the models that had it had it because there tailshaft couldnt handle spinning any faster before they when ka boom. So factor that in that a custom 2 peice tailshaft will cost around 1k.

In regards to the chip i would only use it if i had been given the chip for free and i had a manual because by the time you get it tuned it isnt a lot cheaper than a capa flash tuner. If you have a auto i would only use a capa flash tuner because it can adjust auto shift points and firmness of shifts.

Thanks Jake

FGII-XR6 · 24-05-2007, 05:28 PM

go the Cappa flash tuner it requires no wiring mods and you can go back to standard in no time

sprjenkins · 24-05-2007, 05:35 PM

That being said, I've got a unichip installed with just the exhaust, extractors and cold air intake on my auto forte and it is so much faster than a xr6 vct its not funny. We will see exactly how fast on saturday at the drag nationals.

I know that the edit is better over all however it cost me $900 to buy the unichip and get it tuned. The edit/flash tuner is more like 1500-1600. So if you don't have the cash it is the way to go. Please people don't tell him just to save up because if he is a uni student like me it could take a very long time to save up an extra $700

Hibbz · 24-05-2007, 05:50 PM

The price of a capa flash tune all depends.

If you buy at the right time when tunning shops are having specials and what not you can get a good deal. eg. BTA a site sponsor had a special to buy a box for 695 and a custom tune for 400 so 1095 for both is only 195 difference and you get.

A Brand New Unit
Can be turned back to stock instant not looms or anything.
Can adjust transmission settings.
More Power.
Undetectable by cops, insurance company.

Im a uni student too and thats my 2 cents

Thanks Jake

sprjenkins · 24-05-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hibbz

The price of a capa flash tune all depends.

If you buy at the right time when tunning shops are having specials and what not you can get a good deal. eg. BTA a site sponsor had a special to buy a box for 695 and a custom tune for 400 so 1095 for both is only 195 difference and you get.

A Brand New Unit
Can be turned back to stock instant not looms or anything.
Can adjust transmission settings.
More Power.
Undetectable by cops, insurance company.

Im a uni student too and thats my 2 cents

Thanks Jake

Yeah but that all depends on having the right amount of money at the right time, I bought my Unichip for $250 when I had the cash and then the tune was $650 a few months later. Here you would have had to have $695 in the first instance and then still pay another 600-700 in a few months when the special was over.

Also my unichip is undetectable by cops and my insurance company couldn't give a toss. I can do anything I want to my car as long as its road legal.

The Monty · 24-05-2007, 05:54 PM

Id reccomend not taking out the speed limiter. Does anyone have any pics of DATAMINES (?) on the dyno?

FGII-XR6 · 24-05-2007, 06:05 PM

if you remove the limiter function fit an xr tailshaft

b2tf · 24-05-2007, 06:07 PM

Josh mate you need to learn to do searches, not just make a new thread for every query you have.

Oh and for the record, Unichips = BAH! : :togo:

The Monty · 24-05-2007, 06:41 PM

Im going to show pics of the result of taking off the speed limiter. They are from another site, but I think it is extremely inportant to show them.
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4523.JPG
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4521.JPG
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4528.JPG
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4538.JPG
Complete tailshaft failure, took out, the shaft (duh!), gearbox, exhaust, pobaly other ****** too, yet to see. Plus for some reason both airbags deployed.

Let go AT 192 KPH.

So there you go, Dont remove the limiter unless you change the tailshaft.

**DJM83** · 24-05-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Oh and for the record, Unichips = BAH! : :togo:

I knew ud post in here aust, seen has you had one of the best unichips going around

b2tf · 24-05-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Im going to show pics of the result of taking off the speed limiter. They are from another site, but I think it is extremely inportant to show them.
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4523.JPG
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4521.JPG
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4528.JPG
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gallery....e=IMG_4538.JPG
Complete tailshaft failure, took out, the shaft (duh!), gearbox, exhaust, pobaly other ****** too, yet to see. Plus for some reason both airbags deployed.

Let go AT 192 KPH.

So there you go, Dont remove the limiter unless you change the tailshaft.

Farrrrrrrrrrrrrr out! Who's liable for that one? Did the tuner remove the limiter without the car owners permission?

Casper · 24-05-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by josh_hartman

I am looking for a chip. i have heard about unichip. does it take spped limiter away and where do i it from?

In a word..NO. A unichip cannot change the speed limiter or any other limiter. It cannot do anything except fuel and spark.. period.

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

That being said, I've got a unichip installed with just the exhaust, extractors and cold air intake on my auto forte and it is so much faster than a xr6 vct its not funny.

Awesome.. I've got an XR6 VCT... lets rock

The Monty · 24-05-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Farrrrrrrrrrrrrr out! Who's liable for that one? Did the tuner remove the limiter without the car owners permission?

I am pretty sure the owner wanted it gone, and when it happened, the dyno operator wasnt to happy apparently. Data_mine is on this forum as well I think, so he may pop in and tell his version of events. I always wanted the limiter removed, until I saw that. Now I dont WANT to go over 180. Dont even want to go near 180 actually. 150 on the strip at the moment is where I start slowing down, thats fast enough.

BLACKAUXR8 · 24-05-2007, 07:19 PM

ive had my wifes 99 forte over 200 on the dyno but looking at those photos i dont think ill be doing it again in a hurry!! Its still got stock 1 piece tailshaft.

LOWAU · 24-05-2007, 07:20 PM

My cousin gained 15 rwkw with his unchip on a 3.5L magna so it can't be that bad.

I bought a unchip for $300 ages ago just been waiting to put it in (lazy). I can get it installed and tuned for $450 so pretty cheap if you ask me compared to the edit. Ok you might be able to get the edit cheaper now days then before but still its not an option to disgard straight away.

rob_liss_lms10 · 24-05-2007, 07:29 PM

Awesome.. I've got an XR6 VCT... lets rock

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bwahahahaha watching that race would be like watching Mundine fight Alfie Langer.....entertaining until the bell sounds.

needfordspeed · 24-05-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by josh_hartman

I am looking for a chip. i have heard about unichip. does it take spped limiter away and where do i it from?

If you got an AU, which I assume you do as your posting in the AU section, you'll be able to find a second hand one on the xr6turbo forums or on ebay as they both use the type C unichip. I recommend one, I got one done on my car and gained ~15rwkw and it was alot better to drive, personally if I had an AU I would just get the edit done though they seem to get some decent results.

b2tf · 24-05-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by needfordspeed

If you got an AU, which I assume you do as your posting in the AU section, you'll be able to find a second hand one on the xr6turbo forums or on ebay as they both use the type C unichip. I recommend one, I got one done on my car and gained ~15rwkw and it was alot better to drive, personally if I had an AU I would just get the edit done though they seem to get some decent results.

I believe the BA Unichip has a different wiring method to the AU one. Whether that means its impossible to use on an AU or makes no difference I wouldnt know though.

51OAU · 24-05-2007, 09:25 PM

okay can someone please explain to me all the differences?

Between, a EDIT a Unichip and a capa flash tuner.

What is best for a inline 6 cylinder manual forte?? with exhaust extractors and cold air?? and don't wanna spend alot of money

b2tf · 24-05-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 8lueoval

okay can someone please explain to me all the differences?

Between, a EDIT a Unichip and a capa flash tuner.

What is best for a inline 6 cylinder manual forte?? with exhaust extractors and cold air?? and don't wanna spend alot of money

Unichip is a piggyback chip(i.e. a whole new computer unit) which is wired into your main ECU loom. It is commonly regarded as old technology now.

The Edit is a retune of the factory ECU which is done with a flash tuner. The car is put on a dyno, a tuner develops a tune program to suit the car and make the most of it, puts it into the flash tuner, and then plugs the flash tuner into the ECU. It then "flashes" the new tune program into your car's original ECU, therefore it involves no cutting of wires or adding in new items.

The flash tuning method will cost you upwards of $1k though, more depending on how many tunes you have done etc etc. Keep in mind that you'll have to retune it after every major mod. It is expensive but it is by far the most effective way to get the best results from your other mods.

For now, if you want to do something, try a Unichip but for god's sake watch it like a hawk. If the car starts acting up or getting a bit sluggish, get the Unichip checked out ASAP.

Casper · 24-05-2007, 09:45 PM

Unichip is an interceptor chip. It is placed between the ECU and the engine and acts in a way to "fool" the ECU into sending non factory signals to the engine based on the information it recieves via the Unichip. Example: The engine sends back a signal (basted on rpm, gear, throttle position etc etc etc) of 2 (this is to show a very simplistic approach). The Unichip has a "tune" programmed into it and it knows that rather than letting the ECU receive the code 2 and send back a 3 it should "fool" the ECU into receiving a 3 so it sends back a 4.. the 4 being a better fuel/spark setting for what the engine needs right now. Therefore it "intercepts" the 2, changes it to a 3 and sends it on to the ECU. ECU sees a 3 and sends back a 4. In very simplistic terms the Unichip simply tricks the ECU into sending the factory signals it wants it to send. This has its limits of course and no limiter functions or transmission functions can be changed.

J3/Chiptorque. This is a "piggyback" chip. Effectively it connects to the main ECU board (think video card onto motherboard) and makes the main ECU use the code within the chip rather than the original program. It can therefore control speed limiters, rev limiters, auto change points as well as fuel and spark. The drawback is that there is really only 1 person in Australia that has the technical knowledge to custom program these chips and getting his time in near on impossible anywhere but the Gold Coast. Effectively a form of edit (E series still use a version of this but with easier programming based on the edit software) it has been around since the EA and was probably the best all round option in its time... if you could get it programmed right.

Edit. This is the "magic black box". It allows the original factory ECU program to be totally overwritten by a new program. Think updating Windows 95 with XP Pro. As far as the ECU is concerned it IS the factory programming it and therefore is basically invisible and undetectable. As you own the box that is programmed to your car you can have any number of programmers/tuners do your tune. It also opens up all the ECU functionality that is hidden in there and gives the most amazing abilities to do some fairly drastic tuning mods.

51OAU · 24-05-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Unichip is a piggyback chip(i.e. a whole new computer unit) which is wired into your main ECU loom. It is commonly regarded as old technology now.

The Edit is a retune of the factory ECU which is done with a flash tuner. The car is put on a dyno, a tuner develops a tune program to suit the car and make the most of it, puts it into the flash tuner, and then plugs the flash tuner into the ECU. It then "flashes" the new tune program into your car's original ECU, therefore it involves no cutting of wires or adding in new items.

The flash tuning method will cost you upwards of $1k though, more depending on how many tunes you have done etc etc. Keep in mind that you'll have to retune it after every major mod. It is expensive but it is by far the most effective way to get the best results from your other mods.

For now, if you want to do something, try a Unichip but for god's sake watch it like a hawk. If the car starts acting up or getting a bit sluggish, get the Unichip checked out ASAP.

thanks and thanks casper aswell i read yours aswell i just didn't want 2 posts.

i think i would rather do the EDIT. how much roughly? and were can i get them from. Im in brisbane, south side.

philstoj · 24-05-2007, 10:28 PM

If your not planning on doing any major mods like cams etc then i would go for a chip like the unichip where it will only adjust the fuel and timing, thats all you really need with a basically stock motor...

if you do plan some major mods, dont waste your money on a chip, get your mods done and then get a flash tuner and have it all custom tuned to suit your mods.

needfordspeed · 24-05-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I believe the BA Unichip has a different wiring method to the AU one. Whether that means its impossible to use on an AU or makes no difference I wouldnt know though.

Obviously the pin outs will be different, but you still should be able to use the unit and existing loom that comes with it, the unichip I bought was actually from a BA and the guys that installed it used the same wiring loom on my EF.

I'm talking about Type C btw which are used on EF-AU-BA-BF falcons.

sprjenkins · 25-05-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Awesome.. I've got an XR6 VCT... lets rock

LOL, your XR6 isn't really a factory XR6 no more, what have you done? 4.11 gears, flash tune, cam, extractors, exhaust, head work??

Be good to have a race tomorrow anyway though

Casper · 25-05-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

LOL, your XR6 isn't really a factory XR6 no more, what have you done? 4.11 gears, flash tune, cam, extractors, exhaust, head work??

Be good to have a race tomorrow anyway though

True. Its not stock but the engine is. No Cam, no headwork. Totally unopened engine.

With just exhaust and intake (no other mods at all) it did a 15.024 so thats the target for you I guess.. apples with apples.

sprjenkins · 25-05-2007, 01:00 PM

yeah, i was just reading your workshop thread actually. Did you run street rubber though or M/T's?

Casper · 25-05-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

yeah, i was just reading your workshop thread actually. Did you run street rubber though or M/T's?

Street rubber only. SP3000a's at time.

Only ever ran M/T's once and they slowed the car down. Too tall a profile, wrecked any gain from the diff change.
I'll be running street rubber again tomorrow too although its pretty sticky Yoko's this time.

sprjenkins · 25-05-2007, 01:06 PM

hmm yeah i'll be happy with anything under 15.5 as mine is a forte so it doesn't have the shorter diff gears or lsd. My PB is 15.7 with CAI and exhaust, now add unichip and extractors and we will see how we go, very exciting!