Working in mall security,Brisbane, QLD?

ler · 24-04-2007, 09:35 AM

Hi all, anyone work in the industry. I read to get your security officer licence, crowd controller licence you first need to do a security course from a company. But how do you know that security course is valid? Any help would be appreciated.

Im mainly looking at lower level stuff like security at toll booths, unis,shopping centres,etc. not like bouncing work.

kyro_02 · 24-04-2007, 12:24 PM

hmm just go to your local job seeker joint (i think you go through centrelink??) anyway... ring around and find which supports the program ... I am yet to start mine....

i should be doin patrol / static .. but crowd control would be ideal too. bouncer = to many drunks lol

i have the books here to study... looks like it's gonna be a tough one.. you gotta learn which fire extinguisher for which fire - never used, don't know.. hah. and your rights, and the suspects rights an so on...

Scott · 24-04-2007, 12:52 PM

www.asial.com.au

RG · 24-04-2007, 01:00 PM

It's not a hard course and I think it's the same all across Australia now, although you guys up north get paid better than us down here. Look in your local daily paper and there will be plenty of ads from organizations who provide industry accredited training.

flappist · 24-04-2007, 01:02 PM

Queen St Mall security.....

First aquire a belt fed weapon, ANM2HB would be good although a little heavy to lug around. F89 SAW will be ok.
Tactical clothing including trauma plates are mandatory as well as MOPP4 gear will be useful as the stink can be spectacular at times.
Fluency in "Pi55head", "drunk cricket/footy yobbo", "street gang dork" and "stoned hooker" will come in handy for communication with the locals.

Basicly, WHAT ARE YOU, CRAZY?

You need to do a course through and approved security provider. There are lots of them. If you are not sure if they are fair dinkum ring weapons registry at QPOL HQ in Makerston ST.
You will them need to apply for a weapons licence class SG5 (I think). N.B. This does not allow you to own gun or whatever.
Be wary of the trainers. Jobs are not common and there are billions of SGs who will do it for free just so they can wear a uniform and look tough. Some trainers will paint a rosy picture for you just to take your money.

Find a job first and then see the requirements. Then get the requirements. Not the other way round.

Good luck with your career.

XA Coupsta · 24-04-2007, 01:23 PM

I didnt see anywhere about him wanting to get a gun?

Obviously.........uhh......you are into guns. Great for you.

But the guy was asking about doing security work as far as I could tell.

RG · 24-04-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupsta

I didnt see anywhere about him wanting to get a gun?

Obviously.........uhh......you are into guns. Great for you.

But the guy was asking about doing security work as far as I could tell.

Did you know that some Security Officers carry firearms? Obviously not, it seems Flappist knows the area in question.

XA Coupsta · 26-04-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

Did you know that some Security Officers carry firearms? Obviously not, it seems Flappist knows the area in question.

Actually yeh Im well aware of that.

So of what types of work listed by lerner...

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Originally Posted by lerner

Im mainly looking at lower level stuff like security at toll booths, unis,shopping centres,etc

required guns?

Lets play spot the gun freaks in this thread huh.

The most intelligent posts have been from 84RGE and even he is questioning what is with all the gun q's.

Good luck with it anyway lerner.

flappist · 27-04-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupsta

Actually yeh Im well aware of that.

So of what types of work listed by lerner...

required guns?

Lets play spot the gun freaks in this thread huh.

The most intelligent posts have been from 84RGE and even he is questioning what is with all the gun q's.

Good luck with it anyway lerner.

While we are at lets play "Who is the least knowlegeable antigun nut" too.

The original question asked was about a security guard licence.
The most common question I was asked by people who were interested in becoming guards was what sort of gun they required. Remember I actually used to do this for a living. I used to supply gear to security and police (extra mags, leather etc)
I was also often asked by people who had just aquired a security licence what they needed to do to buy a gun as they were incorrectly led to believe they could by the dodgy instructor they used. Not all of them were interested in firearms but most were.

Therefore, just in case lerner was not aware of the law, I tagged it on the end.

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Originally Posted by me

N.B. This does not allow you to own gun or whatever.

That was all.

In order to work in security in QLD you need a licence. In order to get a licence you must, among other things, pass a security training course. This course, by LAW contains training on the use and legailties of handguns and shotguns. You must show proficence with them and be re-tested on a regular basis to retain the licence. This is also the LAW.

Even 84RGE had to do it and he has stated, quite rightly, that it is mostly not necessary in the actual day to day working. Like learning advanced maths at school, pretty usesless unless you need it for a particular purpose.

Then of course an antigun nut with no actual knowlege of anything spots the "G" word and blurts out his dogma yet again. You have added no actual information to this thread other than your position on firearm ownership and a suspect that very few really care about that anyway.

XA Coupsta · 27-04-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The original question asked was about a security guard licence.

Indeed it was. An ENTRY/LOWER level (as stated by lerner to begin with) type licence for very basic work.

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Originally Posted by flappist

The most common question I was asked by people who were interested in becoming guards was what sort of gun they required.

Yeh but you WERENT asked that here.

So why would you bounce into this rhetoric.....

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Originally Posted by flappist

First aquire a belt fed weapon, ANM2HB would be good although a little heavy to lug around. F89 SAW will be ok.
Tactical clothing including trauma plates are mandatory as well as MOPP4 gear will be useful as...yadda yadda yadda......

....straight off that basic question from lerner?

Yet you challenge the validity of input from others after you post a tirade like that.

I didnt just spot the 'g word' as you put it flappist - I spotted something worse. A gun freak delving into their quite obviously fantastical world, with talk of lugging around belt fed weapons, suggesting other weapons due to weight etc, etc. Quite disturbing really. Certainly not satirical as I believe you will claim.

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Originally Posted by flappist

In order to work in security in QLD you need a licence. In order to get a licence you must, among other things, pass a security training course. This course, by LAW contains training on the use and legailties of handguns and shotguns. You must show proficence with them and be re-tested on a regular basis to retain the licence. This is also the LAW.

As far as such an 'antigun nut with no knowledge of anything' can find is that your basic level 1 course of security training doesnt touch anything to do with guns. As you step into higher gradings yes indeed but again in the context of the query the guy was looking at basic, entry level security work.

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Originally Posted by flappist

You have added no actual information to this thread other than your position on firearm ownership.

I would suggest flappist you are guilty of the exact same thing..........and we will exist on opposite ends of the spectrum of firearm ownership.

Lerner and others - apologies for taking this so far off topic. Im expecting some sort of backlash and if this means the end of my time at fordforums so be it.

flappist · 24-04-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XA Coupsta

I didnt see anywhere about him wanting to get a gun?

Obviously.........uhh......you are into guns. Great for you.

But the guy was asking about doing security work as far as I could tell.

Well that is a useful post. If you have nothing positive to add why do you pollute the thread.

Having sold security equipment for 15 years and having had a new group of freshly trained guards come in to buy their handcuffs, batons, leather, and handguns that they had been led to believe they could I was just pointing out that the licence does not allow it. If the trainer was indirectly suggesting it did then he is yet another dodgey.

Firerms are used by guards on escorts, transports, remotes and other specific jobs. The firearms are held by the Security Provider (SO class) licence and are issued as required. Use of firearms is part of the training.
The SG licence he is looking at is the same for all normal guards, whether they are crowd controllers, escorts, traffic controllers or whatever.

The exception to this is the Business Security (BS4) class licence that is issued to an individual to carry a weapon for protection. This is the one that I held to allow me to carry a Glock.

So the bottom line. I have held security licences, been involved in training of security guards, supplied equipment to security guards and organisations, dealt on a regular basis with weapons registry for about 15 years. The most recent dealings involving security were about 20 minutes before this post.

What are your qualifications?

**GasoLane** · 24-04-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

come in to buy their handcuffs, batons, leather,

Er, those items were'nt for security work

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Originally Posted by lerner

Hi all, anyone work in the industry. I read to get your security officer licence, crowd controller licence you first need to do a security course from a company. But how do you know that security course is valid? Any help would be appreciated.

Im mainly looking at lower level stuff like security at toll booths, unis,shopping centres,etc. not like bouncing work.

From the security people I've seen it aint that hard. Breathing is a necessity but thinking isn't... and both at the same time is impossible.

flappist · 24-04-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

Er, those items were'nt for security work

The "alternative" use was restricted in 1996. Prior to that I used to sell several pairs of handcuffs a week. Almost all were Smith & Wesson and ALL were shiny. The majority of customers were quite pretty young ladies from out of town. They must have been going to a security course later

. N.B. they were $120 a pair.

**GasoLane** · 24-04-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

N.B. they were $120 a pair.

Cool. I never found any women that cheap!...

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RG · 24-04-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GasOLane

From the security people I've seen it aint that hard. Breathing is a necessity but thinking isn't... and both at the same time is impossible.

God I hope you are only joking there.

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**GasoLane** · 24-04-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

God I hope you are only joking there.

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I should say that most of my meeting security people is at transport depots (and shopping malls).

But is one in a certain transport depot in Brisvegas, with very strict security, that is always given 17 seals to put on the truck and always comes back with 2 because he couldn't work out where to put them all!

Scott · 24-04-2007, 02:31 PM

Damn, an FPV, an Arrow and in the Security Industry..... getting spooky in here.

flappist · 24-04-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP006

Damn, an FPV, an Arrow and in the Security Industry..... getting spooky in here.

FPV is a company car, the Arrow is crosshired and I have been out of the gun stuff directly since 2002.

ler · 24-04-2007, 04:02 PM

Im just looking for a basic mall security job. I cant use guns because I need a car licence to drive to get them,etc. I wouldve thought. Ive heard security guards spend more time going to get there guns than carrying them around.

flappist · 24-04-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lerner

Im just looking for a basic mall security job. I cant use guns because I need a car licence to drive to get them,etc. I wouldve thought. Ive heard security guards spend more time going to get there guns than carrying them around.

Yes that is right. I only extended the post to reply to coupsta. The licence required is the same and the training is the same. I have detailed how to do it above.
Just be aware of the "supaheros" in the industry. Have fun and good luck with it.

Zed7fiddy · 24-04-2007, 06:02 PM

Ok, apart from the crap thats been posted above heres some help for your situation

go to http://www.securitytraining.net/

They run a Traiing centre in brisbane, i have done courses there and reccomend them highly!

You may as well get a Crowd Control (Bouncing) Licence as the course is the same, it just makes the licence cost a little more, and that means you can work concerts and events such as that, which can be fun at times and it doesnt restrict your working capability.

I laso had a weapons licence, but only ever did a week of Armed Cash Work so i never renewed it, the whole novelty of wearing a weapon wore off the first day when you find out how restrictive you are with where you can go (company policies etc....)

Any more questions just PM me mate, the above company operates mainly out of brisbane to...

Cheers

Mick

Zed7fiddy · 24-04-2007, 06:42 PM

Working in the industy for 6 years and i can say im a hit with the ladies, as im now big and dumb and i can lift heavy things

ler · 24-04-2007, 07:48 PM

Do you do security in Hervey Bay? I dont imagine they'd need much security up there?

**GasoLane** · 24-04-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lerner

Do you do security in Hervey Bay? I dont imagine they'd need much security up there?

Someone has to keep the Bikini'd tourists safe from Dingo's!

flappist · 24-04-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lerner

Do you do security in Hervey Bay? I dont imagine they'd need much security up there?

If that was intend for me. No I do not work in security at all. I supply equipment and services to security companies. There are several up here. Even criminals go to the beach for a holiday.

Once you start your training and get to meet people you will get a better idea. The reason I mentioned the gun thing is that there are quite a few who do security just to wear a uniform and firearm and live in a little fantasy. This is not the majority though. Most are reasionable people.

Have fun.

HLC · 27-04-2007, 10:11 PM

i work at a shooting range and we do weapons training for security guards...

some of these blokes that come through wouldnt have a brain between em. yet they can carry a gun. really makes ya wonder.

ler · 24-04-2007, 07:50 PM

I rang up trident security they told me they recommend Corporate security Training(CST) I think they are in Mary street.

ler · 24-04-2007, 10:23 PM

do security buy there weapons from the same shops as recreational shooters?

**Captain Stubing** · 24-04-2007, 10:41 PM

I think that you'll find that the best weapon a security officer has is either his two-way radio, or his brawn. Not too many actually have weapons.

Quasi · 24-04-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lerner

Im mainly looking at lower level stuff like security at toll booths, unis,shopping centres,etc. not like bouncing work.

Don't confude nightclub bouncers with professional security officers.

As far as the rest is concerned you may find it necessary to gain at least a senior first aid certificate, I know I had to.