suicide by car

OLDFORDNUT · 30-11-2006, 08:25 AM

My Daughters old school friend was driving home the other night when 29 year old man jumped in front of his car on Hi way, no where to go and hit him bouncing him into the oncoming traffic where he was ran over again.
80KMH zone on outskirts of Hervey Bay ,turns out he stepped out in front of a few cars in minutes before with his friends trying to stop him who saw the whole thing.
terrible shock for all involved.

**Polyal** · 30-11-2006, 08:28 AM

That is bloody poor form. If you want to kill yourself, while its obviously sad, dont bring other people into FFS!

Tles · 30-11-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

That is bloody poor form. If you want to kill yourself, while its obviously sad, dont bring other people into FFS!

Grissom loooking at faceplant off Vegas hotel - Not suicide, he's still got his glasses on. Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness. Anyone suiciding takes off their specs so they don't have to see.

Totally selfish act. Shows complete disregard for anyone else. Cruellest thing you could do to your friends family and innocent drivers.

Why can't people just go out and get ****ed and party when it all get's too hard anymore.
Life is short enough as it is, and way too precious. Instead Eat drink get merry and rock n' roll!

Melz · 30-11-2006, 08:29 AM

That is so terrible.. The trauma your daughter's friend must be going through now would be unbearable. Just amazes me how people don't realise the consequences of their actions after they are gone.

EA2BA · 30-11-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Melz

That is so terrible.. The trauma your daughter's friend must be going through now would be unbearable. Just amazes me how people don't realise the consequences of their actions after they are gone.

I think if they thought about that, they wouldn't do it in the first place.

**Polyal** · 30-11-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

I think if they thought about that, they wouldn't do it in the first place.

Quite the opposite I would have thought, most the time I doubt its a split second decision.

MarkAW · 30-11-2006, 08:37 AM

People who are so depressed to attempt suicide arent capable of thinking of anything other than there own problems which is why they're suicidal in the first place.

EA2BA · 30-11-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Quite the opposite I would have thought, most the time I doubt its a split second decision.

You would be surprised, a thought out sucide that is planned, gets to a point you step in front of the car, yes you have thought and decided to commit suicide, but the actual action of it is a do it or dont point is a split second, so why would you think geez the per person who hits might get devasted by this at that point, if you did you would probably back out.

fiery · 30-11-2006, 08:38 AM

That is awful.. not only for the man's family and friends but for your daughters friend...
That is a terrible thing to try and live with, it is an awful selfish act but sadly those who want to commit suicide tend to not think of anyone but themselves and even if someone tried to reason with them, it wouldn't work.

I really feel for your daughters friend :(

Ives · 30-11-2006, 10:03 AM

Hmm, i'll drive on the middle lane from now on.

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Originally Posted by Caseterritory

Grissom loooking at faceplant off Vegas hotel - Not suicide, he's still got his glasses on. Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness.....

and ultimate cowardness no matter what the circumstances were.

ClevlndStemer · 30-11-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HyperKid

and ultimate cowardness no matter what the circumstances were.

And your such an expert on how people are feeling inside are you? Do you know what he was going through to make him do such a thing?

DJL351 · 30-11-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Caseterritory

Totally selfish act. Shows complete disregard for anyone else. Cruellest thing you could do to your friends family and innocent drivers.

Why can't people just go out and get ****ed and party when it all get's too hard anymore.
Life is short enough as it is, and way too precious. Instead Eat drink get merry and rock n' roll!

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and ultimate cowardness no matter what the circumstances were.

Both very closed minded comments.

Having been that close to the edge.....
I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like.
(And with luck you never will)

Chopper says Harden the ***** up!..... well I can tell you now... It's not as easy or simple as that.

EA2BA · 30-11-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

Both very closed minded comments.

Having been that close to the edge.....
I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like.
(And with luck you never will)

Chopper says Harden the ***** up!..... well I can tell you now... It's not as easy or simple as that.

The glass if half empty and no way will it ever fill up so why bother is the closet I can get to a why people can decide to do end it all from depression.

I always see the glass half full and I am thankful for that, more would be nice, but make the most of what you have.

DJL351 · 30-11-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

The glass if half empty and no way will it ever fill up so why bother is the closet I can get to a why people can decide to do end it all from depression.

I always see the glass half full and I am thankful for that, more would be nice, but make the most of what you have.

Ah yes the simplistic "Glass half full/empty cliché".

When you feel like everything you touch turns to poo, that everyone is laughing at you behind your back....
Every little mistake just adds to the last one, until you don't want to be involved with anything or anyone....
Like you have no reason for being in this world and you feel maybe they (family & friends) would be better/happier if you were not around stuffing up all the time.

Everyone feels depressed from time to time, but cronic deep depression is a completely different level.

EA2BA · 30-11-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

Ah yes the simplistic "Glass half full/empty cliché".

When you feel like everything you touch turns to poo, that everyone is laughing at you behind your back....
Every little mistake just adds to the last one, until you don't want to be involved with anything or anyone....
Like you have no reason for being in this world and you feel maybe they (family & friends) would be better/happier if you were not around stuffing up all the time.

Everyone feels depressed from time to time, but cronic deep depression is a completely different level.

Yes I know it's simplistic, but sometimes beaking things down to a simple level makes it easier to understand.

When I look at things I see solutions not problems, so I have a hard time understanding depression.

sarrge2001 · 30-11-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

When you feel like everything you touch turns to poo, that everyone is laughing at you behind your back....
Every little mistake just adds to the last one, until you don't want to be involved with anything or anyone....
Like you have no reason for being in this world and you feel maybe they (family & friends) would be better/happier if you were not around stuffing up all the time.

Everyone feels depressed from time to time, but cronic deep depression is a completely different level.

Couldn't have said it better myself....

Unless you've really been there, you can't understand it......and there is no quick fix........

ClevlndStemer · 01-12-2006, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

When you feel like everything you touch turns to poo, that everyone is laughing at you behind your back....
Every little mistake just adds to the last one, until you don't want to be involved with anything or anyone....
Like you have no reason for being in this world and you feel maybe they (family & friends) would be better/happier if you were not around stuffing up all the time.

Everyone feels depressed from time to time, but cronic deep depression is a completely different level.

Exactly, i knew someone who committed suicide years ago, shocked us all. What you just described is pretty much what i do/have been through. Its hard to explain to people, as most just have the attitude its all about attention seeking which it isn't. No matter what anyone says it seems always the bad things happen, always wondering when you're going to catch a break.

fmc351 · 01-12-2006, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

The glass if half empty and no way will it ever fill up so why bother is the closet I can get to a why people can decide to do end it all from depression.

I always see the glass half full and I am thankful for that, more would be nice, but make the most of what you have.

If we're playing with metaphors. Seeing anything as either half full or half empty are parallels of each other. Both can be unhealthy. The pessimistic view will miss opportunities, and generally fail to embrace life. The optimist will get you killed taking risks. To put it in perspective, the pessimist is jumping in front of cars, while the optimist is 'hooning' around. (no reference to this incident intended)

Its both half full and half empty. No point failing to factor either view in.

I agree with you though, i don't understand it. Especially when its domestic related. Id rather raise my kid one Sunday a month than end it, I wouldn't enjoy it, but Id enjoy what time I was getting. And you can always find another relationship.

Ives · 30-11-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like.
(And with luck you never will)
.

--sigh--.... I'll drive on the middle lane from now on.

MITCHAY · 30-11-2006, 02:16 PM

Jeez what ever happened to just getting ****ed? Anyways terrible for all concerned.

GOLDIE · 30-11-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

Both very closed minded comments.

Having been that close to the edge.....
I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like.
(And with luck you never will)

Chopper says Harden the ***** up!..... well I can tell you now... It's not as easy or simple as that.

I agree have been close myself but i have had the fortune to also save my best friend as well as she was close to the edge last year.

Ian

Do not judge what you do not know.

[Tonko] · 01-12-2006, 12:01 AM

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Do not judge what you do not know.

that is the smartest thing i have heard on here in a long time.

until you have been into deep depression, you have no idea what its like...
some people say "oh, how can one be so selfish" this, i believe is selfish, when you are very depressed, you dont see it as being selfish, you see it as more of relieving other people of the pain/inconveniences you have brought them,
some are too scared to seek help, others never get through it, and there are a small few that give in to the disease and thats what it is,
nothing but negative thoughts go through your head,

EA2BA: you see solutions not problems, and that is great and i respect that, i wish i was as optimistic as you.

every person has different reasons for being depressed, and no one else can understand these reasons because it is not happening to them, no one has the right to tell someone they are weak or selfish because of the way they choose to deal with it because you are not in the same mindset as you once were..

i am not saying this is the case with everyone, just from what i have experienced...

carnutt · 01-12-2006, 03:13 AM

Nicholas , I'm very sorry to hear about what was in your post . Involving innocent people is just not on.

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Having been that close to the edge.....
I can safely say, you have no understanding of what that sort of depression is like....(And with luck you never will).

This is very true...
There is a lot more to it than "an easy way out" or " Cowardness" , until 4 years ago I thought this was the case .
I have a very rare disease (only 8 known in Australia) and have had it since my mid teens . It is "Eposodic" and I used to go down with it every 4-7 years (normally 4-6 months at a time).
It involves extremely severe muscle cramping (legs , chest , diaphragm , back , arms , legs , feet & hands), the longest I've had a cramp in my arm was 22 weeks . I had a broken ankle years ago and I classed it as a 5/10 pain rating , but in the last few years the rating of my disease can get to "10+" , and I live on Penadeine Forte , Vallium & Morphine. There is NO cure . (Not "cost effective" to research for so few people)

I was a musician for over 20 years and had to give up 4 years ago as I couldn't play guitar anymore due to cramping in my hands (musicians will understand how devestating this can be)
So far this time it has lasted for 4 years & getting worse . I gave up driving volantarily 16 months ago ( I have an immaculate early 70's Falcon I cannot drive it)
Medication used to keep me going but as I'm getting older the Dr's increased it to the maximum safe dose until it wasn't working anymore .

To shorten the story , 2 months ago , it got to the state of spending 18-20 hours a day on the lounge (mostly sleeping , a side affect of the disease) . Getting to the kitchen or front verandah was a major effort . After 35 years I had , "had enough" . Two of my children (late teens) wouldn't come home days at a time because they couldn't handle the situation .

3 weeks ago I made it to the garage twice over a couple of days , once to get access onto the work bench (took me 2 hours), second time I managed to get a rope over the rafters . (It wasn't a last minute decision) I made a sign "Don't come in ,call the Police" . Due to my vigilant wife , she wised up something wasn't as it should be and walked in and realised what I was doing . After a frantic call to the Dr. it was decided to double my meds to a dangerous level (severe side effects), but it seems to be working , I can now see a "light at the end of the tunnel" & can now walk to the end of the driveway & back & improving .

I'm NOT after sympathy , when I was fit enough , I worked 1-2 jobs plus played in a band 2-3 nights a week & have done more than most people in a lifetime because I knew the time would come to this . IF the Doctors will let me stay on this rate of medication , I should get back on my feet again.
I for one can understand how easy it is to get to this level of depression. so unless you've been there ,you will never understand .
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.Laminge , if you think this is "over the top" please delete .

XRQTOR · 30-11-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperKid

and ultimate cowardness no matter what the circumstances were.

Not to many people are capable of taking their own life, it takes more than you think to be able to follow through with it.

When you sit there and really think about it i now see it as a weak way out, there's not to many mistakes in life that can't be fixed.

Ford_Boy · 30-11-2006, 10:14 AM

if you believe in god then it is considered the biggest sin to commit because he gave you life when others may not be so lucky and your willing to throw it back at him. your sent straight to hell. taking your life is cowardly and selfish. it hurts your family and friends and the people around to see it. i would have no remorse if i was the person who hit him because he was the coward who hit me and i wouldnt be able to avoid it.

it might be in the back of your daughters friends head but he really shouldnt be hard on himself, dont let it ruin his life. just be thankful that the mans selfishness didnt cause him phisical injury and the people around him any harm.

Auslandau · 30-11-2006, 11:46 AM

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if you believe in god then it is considered the biggest sin to commit because he gave you life when others may not be so lucky and your willing to throw it back at him. your sent straight to hell. taking your life is cowardly and selfish. it hurts your family and friends and the people around to see it. i would have no remorse if i was the person who hit him because he was the coward who hit me and i wouldnt be able to avoid it.

it might be in the back of your daughters friends head but he really shouldnt be hard on himself, dont let it ruin his life. just be thankful that the mans selfishness didnt cause him phisical injury and the people around him any harm.

To have no remorse is such harsh words and thoughts. To say you are a god botherer and have this attitude, well what can I say. Life can get damn hard for some and I will never understand it, nor by what you have said will you, but can only imagine what it would be like for everyone involved. From the one that starts it all to those that are left behind....its an issue bigger than a 'Ford Forum' can resolve.

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Ford_Boy · 30-11-2006, 12:20 PM

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To have no remorse is such harsh words and thoughts. To say you are a god botherer and have this attitude, well what can I say. Life can get damn hard for some and I will never understand it, nor by what you have said will you, but can only imagine what it would be like for everyone involved. From the one that starts it all to those that are left behind....its an issue bigger than a 'Ford Forum' can resolve.

oh im by no means a preacher,im not very religious and im hardly the best person to listen to when it comes to religion but i do know that its a majour sin and if you commit it then its basically turning you back on god. there are people who dont have a faith so they arnt thinking of the afterlife they are just thinking of ending their pain here.
i suppose it is harsh to say i feel no remorse. if it was someone i loved then i would feel deeply depressed but also betrayed. i suppose to do such a thing you would have to be mentally ill but their is treatment and it should be seeked before putting your family, friends and people around you in such grief. i dont know for sure if there is a god or afterlife but if their isnt i would hate to have ended it early on such a sad note. sorry to anyone who was affected by suicide i hope my veiws havent offended

photn · 30-11-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

oh im by no means a preacher,im not very religious and im hardly the best person to listen to when it comes to religion but i do know that its a majour sin and if you commit it then its basically turning you back on god. there are people who dont have a faith so they arnt thinking of the afterlife they are just thinking of ending their pain here.
i suppose it is harsh to say i feel no remorse. if it was someone i loved then i would feel deeply depressed but also betrayed. i suppose to do such a thing you would have to be mentally ill but their is treatment and it should be seeked before putting your family, friends and people around you in such grief. i dont know for sure if there is a god or afterlife but if their isnt i would hate to have ended it early on such a sad note. sorry to anyone who was affected by suicide i hope my veiws havent offended

let it be noted as well that it is written in the bible that God forgives all and loves all his children no matter what they do....

all i can say is that i hope god has mercy on this poor mans soul... and the young man that had to unfortunately endure such a trajedy that was forced upon him i hope he gets councelling and manages to come out of this alright.....

alesia · 30-11-2006, 11:02 AM

my uncle killed himself a few years ago , i was very close to him , its not that they are being selfish , its that they have tryed everything else to change the way they feel , and this is the last resort they feel they have no other way . my uncle in his note basically said that he thought he was helping everyone by leaving.
no one can judge what the person was thinking when he jumped in front of the car . all we know for sure is that he was mentally sick.
i do agree with some of the comments on here tho , if you are going to kill yourself dont screw up someone elses life when you do it .

just my 2cents

Laminge · 30-11-2006, 11:26 AM

I want to step in here and just make sure that people who judge others on their posts be very careful on how you word any replies.

This issue may be close to the hearts of many, so I ask that you respect what people are saying and post with a level head