Why is the orion falcon coming out in march 2008?

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 09:29 AM

Why has ford Australia made the orion falcon launch so far away? The ve will of been out for 20months! Also there is still 17 months until it is on sale. Any comments?

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BlueRaven · 12-11-2006, 09:57 AM

I think it has to do with Ford Australia getting their monies worth with the same dated looking chassis. In fact, they probably justified it by saying "Don't worry Bill, the VT commodore chassis was used by Holden for 9yrs...so we can do that at least."

It would be about 10yrs by the time the orion comes in...

Laminge · 12-11-2006, 10:00 AM

Umm

Your question has been answered several times on the forums over time, but concept to reality is not a 4 month turnaround.

I am sure someone will explain the concept again, but I would strongly suggest trying to book yourself into the Factory Tours to see just what it takes to build a car from scratch.

EDXR65SPEED · 12-11-2006, 10:05 AM

Also the R+D time that goes into building a car.
Even then by the time it gets to market, the early ones still have issues.

4vxc · 12-11-2006, 09:23 PM

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Umm

Your question has been answered several times on the forums over time, but concept to reality is not a 4 month turnaround.

I am sure someone will explain the concept again, but I would strongly suggest trying to book yourself into the Factory Tours to see just what it takes to build a car from scratch.

The factory tour is a great experience I did the one for the 75th Anniversary, gives you a whole new perspective on the whole process.

falconlover, lets get real the 5.4 is no slug.

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 10:04 PM

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The factory tour is a great experience I did the one for the 75th Anniversary, gives you a whole new perspective on the whole process.

falconlover, lets get real the 5.4 is no slug.

I mean to the current ss, i know its a good motor :hihi: eg:not a pushrod engine.But i think they need to supercharge it to 270kw at least.

Brute6 · 12-11-2006, 10:11 PM

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I mean to the current ss, i know its a good motor :hihi: eg:not a pushrod engine.But i think they need to supercharge it to 270kw at least.

Supercharge it to get an extra 30 odd kW's? What a waste of $$ that would be? If you were after an extra 100 or so kW's, yeah that would probably make the $$ worth it....
There will be no supercharged version for a fair while as the development $$ are very high.....

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 10:14 PM

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Supercharge it to get an extra 30 odd kW's? What a waste of $$ that would be? If you were after an extra 100 or so kW's, yeah that would probably make the $$ worth it....
There will be no supercharged version for a fair while as the development $$ are very high.....

Just remember its a brand new model there will be engineer innovations. Whats so bad about a supercharger?

12-11-2006, 11:04 AM

It was always meant for 3/2008. Remembering that the AUIII to BA change was quite substantial.

1TUFFUTE · 12-11-2006, 11:19 AM

even tho the holden may sell alot of cars...the longer it is before the new falcon the more they can watch the mistakes holden has made with the new commadores. Hoefully they are watching closely an look more at what toyota is doing instead. I personaly cant wait for the new falcon.

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 11:43 AM

Me too 1tuffute! Can't wait for it.

WILDTRAKPX2 · 12-11-2006, 12:36 PM

If Ford had announced the Orion for 2006, people would have been asking your question in 2005. Gawd it's going to a long 14-15 mths!

The Monty · 12-11-2006, 01:19 PM

I can deffinately see a BFIII with a slight power upgrade now. Give it say 10 months, so they can get rid of all the old style chassis, before the new one comes out. Anyone else think this?

SlikedTurb · 12-11-2006, 01:25 PM

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I can deffinately see a BFIII with a slight power upgrade now. Give it say 10 months, so they can get rid of all the old style chassis, before the new one comes out. Anyone else think this?

won't happen

DanielXR8 · 12-11-2006, 01:27 PM

Personally if they said they needed till 2009, to get the car right, that would be fine with me. We don't need a repeat of the early BA quality issues, because they rushed the car into production.

Given the nature of the market now, this car has to be right from the get go and not a beta test for the next model. That would kill the Falcon quicker then a drop in sales of the BF series ever would.

Dan

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 01:24 PM

No the front end is going to look like the iosis.

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 02:20 PM

I wonder what the model will be like bg,bl eg ?

b2tf · 12-11-2006, 02:37 PM

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I wonder what the model will be like bg,bl eg ?

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No the front end is going to look like the iosis.

Given that you seem to already know for certain stuff about it, why do you need to ask us about it? We should be asking you?

Pretty evident you have no real grasp of how much work goes into a car. Its a amazing how many people think that all it is is a couple of new panels, new trims and some new wheels - a LOT more to it than that.

With the latest Wheels mag there is a DVD all about how Holden R+D'd the VE. Now at risk of bringing VE into this, Id suggest you watch that, it really is an eye opener as to just how much time, effort and money goes into develpment long before you see them on the road.

S3SR · 15-11-2006, 11:56 AM

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With the latest Wheels mag there is a DVD all about how Holden R+D'd the VE. Now at risk of bringing VE into this, Id suggest you watch that, it really is an eye opener as to just how much time, effort and money goes into develpment long before you see them on the road.

even though it was all about the holden and mostly about publicity i thought it was a real eye opener to how much work really goes into build a whole new car from scratch.

JG3282 · 12-11-2006, 02:30 PM

Why does it have to be a B? It could be any one of 22 other letters of the alphabet...

INJECTED_250 · 12-11-2006, 05:58 PM

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Why does it have to be a B? It could be any one of 22 other letters of the alphabet...

22 ????

pertuan · 12-11-2006, 07:18 PM

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22 ????

I'm guessing its because theres been XY, AU, BA, EA series.

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 02:51 PM

I've seen it mate and i know how much works goes into creating a new car.

vztrt · 12-11-2006, 05:51 PM

The 08 Falcon is all but complete, now they need to build it.
Not just one but a whole heap of them to get the manufacturing side of it right, than to test that the entire car works and nut out problems of the test mule as only testing bits and pieces as they have been doing may not show arising problems(there was a BA with the Orion front running around Campbell field a fortnight ago, but no one would have noticed if you actually didn't see it before). From these problems you work out what is worth fixing and whats worth letting the customer get fixed at warranty.
But from what I have been hearing Ford seem to designing the car for the customer/market like the BA was. Now all they need to do is get it right on the assembly line.

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 07:08 PM

Do you have any pics vztrt?

vztrt · 12-11-2006, 11:59 PM

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Do you have any pics vztrt?

Ahh no, but the lineup of cars coming is very nice.

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Supercharge it to get an extra 30 odd kW's?

You mean 10kw as the BOSS XR8 has 260fwkw.

Brute6 · 13-11-2006, 05:03 PM

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You mean 10kw as the BOSS XR8 has 260fwkw.

What I was meaning is that for the supercharger to "be put to good use" it would need a lot more than (for example) 30kW's.
If they were to supercharge it, give it a serious sort of bump in the power/torque department to make it beneficial....

smiley · 12-11-2006, 07:24 PM

is orion a codename? because

1. the name 'orion' sounds crap &
2. it sounds too much like aurion

bEAn86 · 12-11-2006, 07:51 PM

they are probly still making it

falconlover · 12-11-2006, 09:03 PM

Ford betta update the boss engine!