Speed Limits Tomorrow....NT Speed Limits

Outbackjack · 02-11-2006, 01:43 AM

We wil find out tomorrow if the NT is getting speed limits on the open highways. I think that the huge public anger directed at Clare Martin may have made SOME difference. But I think that Chairman Martin is riding a huge swell off her own ego.

I will post the results here tomorrow if anyone is interested.

flappist · 02-11-2006, 02:02 AM

Well I have a holiday planned in NT leaving on the 10th, if they bring them in before I am supposed to return on the 26th then I will cancel and spend my money somewhere else.

OLDFORDNUT · 02-11-2006, 10:18 AM

im always interested in new laws designed to reap money and nothing else,as you can bet the NT Police force,will be booking thousands very quickly as its a state where you will see a police car in towns at least every 5 minutes. and you dont have to go far along the Stuart HWY before seeing one either.

rodderz · 02-11-2006, 10:56 AM

Just as a side note, that Jules Lund bloke was on Getaway last week driving a new beema on the Autobahn. He was travelling at 180-200km/hr and mentioned that at that speed, your attention is focussed on nothing but the driving and the road ahead.

Those sort of speeds are way to high for everywhere here, but it's a good point, travelling for 4-5 hrs on a straight stretch of road at 100km/hr will soon see the driver getting dreary

Bill_R · 02-11-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

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Those sort of speeds are way to high for everywhere here, but it's a good point, travelling for 4-5 hrs on a straight stretch of road at 100km/hr will soon see the driver getting dreary

agree. It bores me itless on teh pacific hwy north of Newcastle to the border now. i drove that road regualrly before much of the new work was done. I'd agree there were black spots that needed attention but mostly it was fine with me. At least I could focus and that's somethign I definitely need to do. Focus too much on these new roads and up will go the speed.

AWD Chaser · 02-11-2006, 05:13 PM

ARRRGGGHHHH - damn politics - we (the public) run this country - WTF don't we have it our own way....

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Ms Martin said the Territory had Australia's highest road toll per capita, with one person dying on territory roads every week and nine people injured.

This comment is statistical BS. 1 - It makes no point quoting the per captia rates - as it is the overall number of deaths - not comparing them to a poulation. 2 - How many of these 1 deaths per week occur in a no speed limit zone, or is it all in major town/city areas? 3 - Is the one deaths per week speed related?

This is the most pointless of road thingys introduced.... IMHO

4.9 EF Futura · 02-11-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

This comment is statistical BS. 1 - It makes no point quoting the per captia rates - as it is the overall number of deaths - not comparing them to a poulation. 2 - How many of these 1 deaths per week occur in a no speed limit zone, or is it all in major town/city areas? 3 - Is the one deaths per week speed related?

I disagree. Looking at absolute numbers is useless. It has to be relative to the population.

You may consider it statistical BS - but what are you bringing to the table? Opinion and heresay. I know which one makes a more convincing argument.

All the data you seek is contained in the NT road safety taskforce i linked to above. But i guess it's easier to start throwing opinion around as opposed to actually reviewing the factS?

Outbackjack · 02-11-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

I disagree. Looking at absolute numbers is useless. It has to be relative to the population.

You may consider it statistical BS - but what are you bringing to the table? Opinion and heresay. I know which one makes a more convincing argument.

All the data you seek is contained in the NT road safety taskforce i linked to above. But i guess it's easier to start throwing opinion around as opposed to actually reviewing the factS?

Not true, the report is sh1te.

It is people from down south that have helped introduce these new laws. These people, like the majority of people reading this, have never travelled on our roads. I have scoured through the report and it is IMPOSSIBLE to see how many deaths on the open limit roads where causee by speed. The task force just assumed that because the accident happened where a (//) was in play, it must have been caused by speed.
The people that have driven out here, will agree, the NT is DIFFERENT. You cannot apply Southern and Eastern laws and values. A big portion of the people living out here came for that reason, me included.

What the report does not show either, is kilometers travelled per year per person on country roads. We cover much higher distances out here. Another reason the stats in the report are flawed.

It is a very naive little vegemite that believes the stats produced by a government with a barrow to push are a true reflection of the truth.

Outbackjack · 02-11-2006, 05:19 PM

This will now just be a memory.

http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...gAnch=imgAnch2

Even at 160, it is hard to see how people in well maintained cars are driving dangerously. Sorry about the sound. It was a cheap little camera that couldn't keep up with the scenery refresh at 160.

Very sad day. Our only hope now is to elect the CLP. They have promised that if elected, they will re-introduce the (//) highways, with limits on known black spots.

TUF514 · 03-11-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

This will now just be a memory.

http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...gAnch=imgAnch2

Even at 160, it is hard to see how people in well maintained cars are driving dangerously. Sorry about the sound. It was a cheap little camera that couldn't keep up with the scenery refresh at 160.

Very sad day. Our only hope now is to elect the CLP. They have promised that if elected, they will re-introduce the (//) highways, with limits on known black spots.

What she fails to say is WHERE these deaths are occuring.

My dad lives in Alice Springs.

No ****, when your there, open the local paper and you are forever hearing about natives being hit, killed and maimed in driving accidents.

This happens every day.

How many people are killed and/or injured in the no speed limi zones?

Governments have no idea.

StookEB · 02-11-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill_R

the pacific hwy north of Newcastle to the border now. i drove that road regualrly before much of the new work was done. I'd agree there were black spots that needed attention but mostly it was fine with me. At least I could focus and that's somethign I definitely need to do. Focus too much on these new roads and up will go the speed.

There are still some spots on that part of the highway (a little bit further north) where people seem to crash, no idea how,
but yes that bit of road puts me to sleep.

FPV8U · 02-11-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Those sort of speeds are way to high for everywhere here, but it's a good point, travelling for 4-5 hrs on a straight stretch of road at 100km/hr will soon see the driver getting dreary

After moving back to Vic from WA, it's a long trip at 110KM/h, and i would say quite dangerous as it's boring as hell.

Not much to see out there...

GT290 · 05-11-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Just as a side note, that Jules Lund bloke was on Getaway last week driving a new beema on the Autobahn. He was travelling at 180-200km/hr and mentioned that at that speed, your attention is focussed on nothing but the driving and the road ahead.

Those sort of speeds are way to high for everywhere here, but it's a good point, travelling for 4-5 hrs on a straight stretch of road at 100km/hr will soon see the driver getting dreary

I agree with you on that 100% but as you say there are some roads in this country where the limit is too slow and other roads it should be slowed down. I do think that there lies a problem with ability and judgment of some people. some also think that because there car is quick in the city its quick on the open road, whoa...reality check, some of them wee bangers can not handle too well at high speed and when over taking some people can not judge on coming traffic or distance to next corner while others feel the need to over take but doing so with in the speed limit. I say stuff that, get your **** out and around quickly and as safe as needs be. No wonder there are so many accidents, some do not know the limitations on their cars and others just don't have the ability. I exclude the idiot drunks from this even though they do equate to a portion of any tallies. Lets be honest, I have seen some really stupid accidents and wonderd, how the hell did they manage to stuff up. Its simply incompetance and inexperiance. When I drive long distance or any where for that matter, I never take my eyes of the road. You do and its as bad as a micro sleep think about it. I do not trust any one on the road and treat all traffic as a potential sleeper, mobile phone user, sat nav user, chat to the kids in the back, sleepy head or argue with the missus type person. I know not evryone is but jesus, driving is a life time skill and absolute consentration is required. I feel people should do one of them defensive or performance type courses, I am 42 and have driven tractors and stuff on the farm since I was about 8 or 9 but I still learnt somthing from that course and would love to do another one. I don't know there is no answers and reducing speed is not the answer. Its just careless stupidity on the drivers part for what ever reason be it not stopping reguarly, phones or changing the CD. I mean come on you are there to drive not entertain or do business on the phone. If you play the play station and your racing around bathurst and the phone rings do you answer it and try to keep playing at the same time, no you probably pause, or what about some one talking to you while racing play station round bathhurst, do you take your eyes of the screen and keep driving and conversating, I don't think so. think about the amount of consentration you need to play just the play station. Its not what I reckon to be the problem but I reckon its has a big contribution. Even the old drive to conditions, how many people do you see in the city do that when it all of a sudden poors down, stuff all. I see them still speeding along and manouvering like its still sunny like ten minutes ago and then bang, six cars smash and a couple in hostpital. Defensive or performance type driving courses mandatory for all I say and they should be part of our skills enhancment for all drivers. thats my bit any way.

Outbackjack · 05-11-2006, 12:16 AM

Some good points there GT290. But what we must all get our heads around, is, common sence has no place within our current governments, state, and federal. I want Russell Coiught for PM!!!!

GT290 · 05-11-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Some good points there GT290. But what we must all get our heads around, is, common sence has no place within our current governments, state, and federal. I want Russell Coiught for PM!!!!

Yes I agree there, I think that some of this revenue they flogg off sue who get fined for the 4 to 5 ks over should be return to the comunity to build proper traing facilities and assist in continued development of driver habbits and ability. I work in an industry where life is threaten every day, but it does not have to be if you follow the rules, but in saying that it does not happen and we get it to happen by continued traing and positive reinforcement. I think the government should take ownership and implement a new system that continues even after you have a licence.

Ruger · 02-11-2006, 11:07 AM

Agreed maybe a more realistic speed limit to shut off the idiots in their exotics around
speed limit of 180 would be sensible

flappist · 02-11-2006, 11:33 AM

The problem with setting a speed limit of for example 150 or 180 or whatever is that it implies that this is a safe speed and everyone should be doing it.

Have the (//) sign states "go as fast as you think is safe and suitable for YOU on THIS journey" that is, "you have a licence and should be able to determine how to drive safely and efficiently".

This, of course, has two problems:

1) Some people are idiots
2) The government has no CONTROL and they like CONTROL.

I am probably as bad as most. The first time a drove a "performance" vehicle, my GT-P, in NT I got it up to 254 for about 10 minutes on the Barkly out on the steppes where you cab see in ALL directions for over 10km.
Having done that I spent the subsequent 3000-4000km at between 150 and 200 depending on conditions.
I have, over the years, driven other vehicles at "high speed" and remember the first time in a AVIS rentacommy trying to get to 200 just so I could say I had. It was scarey and the millesecond the speedo said 200 I backed off to 140 because ot felt floaty and barely in control.

If there is a limit imposed it will HAVE to be 110 because if not then there will be pressure on the other states to match whatever and the evil empire don't like pressure.

As an aside Outbackjack, it does appeal to my warped sense of humour that a true believer is the one leading the campaign here against Comrade Claire. Remember, maintain the rage.........

4.9 EF Futura · 02-11-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The problem with setting a speed limit of for example 150 or 180 or whatever is that it implies that this is a safe speed and everyone should be doing it.

Have the (//) sign states "go as fast as you think is safe and suitable for YOU on THIS journey" that is, "you have a licence and should be able to determine how to drive safely and efficiently".

Great point. Setting an arbitrary limit does kind of put an expectation onthe drivers hey.

OBJ - how does the NT government work? It's a bit different to a state is it not? The commonwealth has more of a say in the going ons up there?

Outbackjack · 02-11-2006, 04:59 PM

She did it. Chairman Martin will be responsible for fatigue and wildlife strike deaths. She will have blood on her hands. Checking around town, people are furiuos about this. There is every chance that she has commited political suicide...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-17001,00.html

To all those interested in exploring the Territory, you may as well go somewhere else. Too much of your valuable holiday time will be wasted on the highways, even at 130!!!

xrbossute · 02-11-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

She did it. Chairman Martin will be responsible for fatigue and wildlife strike deaths. She will have blood on her hands. Checking around town, people are furiuos about this. There is every chance that she has commited political suicide...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-17001,00.html

To all those interested in exploring the Territory, you may as well go somewhere else. Too much of your valuable holiday time will be wasted on the highways, even at 130!!!

What a crock.Just for your info.Did some work in the Arunga Pitjantjara homelands a couple of years back.We were followed by an SA police V8 Landcruiser over the NT border.SA police L/C cranked up to est.160 kph en route to Kulgera.To be fair he was quite a bit over 110 in SA.Even the cops can't see the sense in suburban speed limits out in the scrub.What a crock.

Outbackjack · 02-11-2006, 09:57 PM

Clare martin was just on the news here in the NT sproughting how even the 130k may not last. You watch, if she wins the next election, the first thing she will do is bring a blanket 110. Harold Scruby will have a party then wont he. I wonder if he has ever been to the Territory?? I should contact him and advise him to stay away. It's not safe up here for buffoons like him.

These laws will be brought in by June 07. Thats about 12 months out from the next election. The CLP have officially pledged to bring back the (//) rules. Makes it easy for me to work out who I will vote for.

Strnage how she makes us all slow down, and yet, I can go hop into my boat, get totally smashed off my face drunk, and legally skipper that boat anywhere in Territory waters. I'm confused.

Dazza XLT · 02-11-2006, 11:42 AM

I totally agree Rodderz. When I am travelling at 100, I tend to relax. Whereas if I was travelling at 140, I was on the ball, always alert, and ready to react.

Cheers

Darran

Dazza XLT · 02-11-2006, 05:04 PM

Unbelievable! A sad day indeed.

Cheers

Darran

fordOwner · 02-11-2006, 05:05 PM

Your joking!

Thank god our government is not in charge of Amsterdam aye?

4.9 EF Futura · 02-11-2006, 05:15 PM

OK, devil's advocate (always has to be me doesnt it, lol).

But it seems - on face value (its not a topic ive kept abreast of to be honest) - that they have some pretty good information to support the decision.

http://www.saferroaduse.nt.gov.au/Ro...ull_Report.pdf

You guys have the worst road toll per capita than anyone esle in Australia and indeed - one of the worst in the world. 3 times the national average. 1 in 400 territorians are killed or seriously injured.

That's pretty scary.

They have the data to prove that - in other parts of australia, reducing the limit from 110 to 100 results in a 20ish % reduction in fatal crashes. Indeed, there is a large body of evidence from around the world that shows similar statistics. That's pretty strong evidence in my opinion, and stands to reason that reducing the limit from // would have a significant impact.

38% of speed-related fatal accidents in the NT occured on the open roads and 54% of these were single vehicle. Indeed, more than half of these fatalaties were "run off road" or "overturns" which has a strong link to loss of control.

Is there evidence to support the assumption that fatigue and wildlife deaths will increase dramatically as a result of the reduced limits?

I know the likely response is "i live here, i know what it's like" etc etc - and i appreciate those observations. But you gotta admit, there's a LOT of STRONG evidence that doesnt agree.

Like i said... just playing devil's advocate here.

GreenMachine · 02-11-2006, 05:18 PM

Any info as to when it will be introduced?

micksta · 02-11-2006, 05:20 PM

as i dont live in the NT .. i'd just like to know.

what speeds do you guys in the NT travel at ??

Outbackjack · 02-11-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by micksta

as i dont live in the NT .. i'd just like to know.

what speeds do you guys in the NT travel at ??

On roads that I am familiar with, 160. Roads that I havent been on for a while I travel at 140. In the 4 wheeler I travel at a max of 120.

I have freinds that set the cruise control on 200. But these people are very experinced drivers and rarely travel with kids. Most people that travel with their kids dont go over 140 to 150.

160 out here is not fast. Check my photobucket link above, cheers.

Dazza XLT · 02-11-2006, 05:36 PM

I was much the same as outbackjack. Between 140-160 most times.

Cheers

Danny · 02-11-2006, 05:58 PM

Clare Martin
Undercuts
Northern
Territory
Speed limit.

Thanks to that Wh0re, I'll never have a chance to legally go fast for free, Moto Magazines will no longer include excellent stories on how they fanged the latest FPV or Porky Turbo in the NT.

No more cannonball run. What a goonbag egomanaiacal moll. WHo the hell is she. Im fuming, and the most I ever did in the NT was take a Nissan Patrol diesel to its 165km/h V-Max. Spewing.