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27-10-2006, 06:55 PM | #1 | ||
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This is an interesting thread. A kiwi tested his F6 against a VE R8 on the pretext of potentially buying it and the results were not what the "true believers" hoped for.
In the land of the the blind a one eyed man would still drive a ls1...... http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=64108 |
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27-10-2006, 07:44 PM | #2 | ||
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Oh no, their precious new model couldn't be beaten by an older model Ford, could it? I guess thats your typical Holden enthusiast......
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27-10-2006, 07:47 PM | #3 | ||
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A Run in F6 againts a tight new demo car.
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27-10-2006, 08:20 PM | #4 | |||
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27-10-2006, 08:27 PM | #5 | |||
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27-10-2006, 09:10 PM | #6 | |||
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27-10-2006, 09:23 PM | #7 | ||
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We won't have to wait long for a "proper" comparison. I'll be putting my money on the Clubsport.
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27-10-2006, 09:30 PM | #8 | |||
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The real test for me is if any mags can match or better the claimed 4.98 0-100. So far the only figure I have seen was 5.35 from NZ Autocar, but it was done on a corse chip road and they wheel spun it for first 2 gears, so hardly a benchmark (which is what they said). |
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27-10-2006, 10:01 PM | #9 | |||
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27-10-2006, 09:26 PM | #10 | |||
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I have seen dyno graphs of engines and their power increases with hours for a while, then as you say it slowly drops away. I have also read many comments from LS2 owners (VZ HSV's) that their cars seem to grow another leg past 10,000km and one of the performance shops did some testing and found power definately peaked after 10,000km on a standard (unmodified) car. By the way, I used to build engine dynos and their control systems for a few years, so have some experience in running engines on dynos and their charateristics. |
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27-10-2006, 09:33 PM | #11 | ||
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Would of thought they would run there engines on an open dyno first up(engine not in the car) to loosen the engine a bit!!!!
regardless,the phoon will always win in in-gear acceleration.
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27-10-2006, 09:45 PM | #12 | |||
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28-10-2006, 11:21 AM | #13 | |||
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27-10-2006, 07:49 PM | #14 | ||
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I love how all the following posts are just excuse after excuse. Accept defeat!
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27-10-2006, 07:53 PM | #15 | ||
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As much as i love ford i doubt the F6 could beat a properly run-in R8. IMO a regular SS would give the F6 a good run if not better it.
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27-10-2006, 07:55 PM | #16 | |||
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27-10-2006, 08:33 PM | #17 | ||
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Guys to try and bring some independant comment to the discussion.
1/ Nobody can varify the claims so take the "tests" with a grain of salt. 2/ The R8 was brand new and I have driven a brand new one and they feel very tight, after 5k they are feeling good and I bet after 9k they aremaking real good power (I have also driven a brand new F6 and they also improve with mileage). 3/ We know nothing about the weather conditions, if its was cold and moist then the phoon would be at its best. 4/ We know nothing about the drivers and ther relative skills, swapping drivers and redoing the "tests" would at least have evened out any driving skill mismatch. Remember Motors Figures. Back to back tests not somebody and his mate thrashing a brand new car. Manual SS 0-100: 5.2 400m: 13.4@174.9 Compared to the Auto Typhoon. 0-100:5.4 400m: 13.5@175.1 |
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27-10-2006, 08:54 PM | #18 | |||
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27-10-2006, 08:15 PM | #19 | ||
Only a matter of time.
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I loved the mobile countdown.
They probably did this but it's pretty shocking and i thought recording my 0-100 with voice was bad:P It's bad.
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27-10-2006, 08:19 PM | #20 | ||
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a run in R8 would have been a different story i think....well atleast iw ould have been a MUCH fairer comparison!
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27-10-2006, 08:34 PM | #21 | ||
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I was chatting to a mate of mine he is a member here (VX8255) and is a LS1 nut.
He recently drove a VE SS and said it felt sh#t, it didn’t inspire him at all. The biggest problems was the lack get up and go when you kick the auto down it takes to long to accelerate, for now he will stick with his LS1.
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27-10-2006, 08:43 PM | #22 | |||
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27-10-2006, 09:37 PM | #23 | ||
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Wow, I feel stupider just from reading both this and the LS1 thread. Go figure.
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27-10-2006, 10:21 PM | #24 | ||
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who cares which one is quicker if u want to find out for yourself go test drive one of each it's very easy to do
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27-10-2006, 10:34 PM | #25 | |||
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27-10-2006, 10:45 PM | #26 | ||
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R8 all the way. sorry folks, but the VE in raw performance terms is simply a better car, no doubt about it. the fact this test was so unscientific is [1] Hardly suprising and [2] almost entirely irrelevant. in raw numbers the R8 is better, and in sheer engineering and practical terms, it makes sense that it is the better of the two cars. Don't get me wrong, the Typhoon is on a fast track to cult status, along with its skinnier XR6T cousin, but the R8 is still the better car.
having sat in both today, i'd still take the Typhoon because the VE has possibly the worst interior i've ever experienced (dark, drab, it didnt even bloody work properly, i couldnt find anything, the ergonomics didnt suit me etc) BUT on sheer dynamic and performance terms, R8>Typhoon Uni/. |
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27-10-2006, 11:22 PM | #27 | ||
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LS1 don't take any sort of defeat easy, it was not a real test, but as was mentioned, if it were the other way round it would be a real world comparison.
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27-10-2006, 11:40 PM | #28 | ||
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Run in Shmun in, you need to stop playing with your tools boys, the XR6 got its first hot shot in first at a set of lights with less than 15km's on it, straight from the dealers and I was running late to get back to work. Before she had done 200km's she was bouncing off the limiter, and yes she is still running fine almost 140,000km's later.
As for correct run in procedure ensuring optimal efficiency, I did Newcastle to Kalkallo which is 20km's short of 1000, so 980km if you failed maths on the one tank. She does a 15.2 flat with only a chip and cat back consistently so certainly no lack in power when compared to cars with more bolt ons and other mods are placed in the equation. I read this comparison on the XRt forum and as far as I recall both were dissapointed with the R8 and not only on the outright power of the car, so I think the anal pirates need to find a new flag to fly, possibly a white one. edit : the XR6 is an AU2 VCT by the way
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28-10-2006, 12:17 AM | #29 | |||
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28-10-2006, 10:54 PM | #30 | |||
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