Power lifting????.

galaxy xr8 · 22-07-2006, 06:19 PM

Is there anybody here that is involved in power lifting, I have a few good mate's that are trying to con me into it, I've been into bodybuilding for a while now, 10 odd yr's but never really got into power lifting, my mate's are all very big blokes and are going for a compitition that is coming up soon BUT my biggest concern is DRUG's, I know my mate's are not into it and do it drug free but some off the other blokes you should see, they are HUGE, and I believe from what I hear are well into drug's, but they all say power lifting is better for putting on size, I'm quite happy with my size now though 90+kg, all my mates are over 100kg, but they don't spend as much time doing it as well?????,so does anyone else powerlift???.

MO · 22-07-2006, 08:58 PM

Stick with your body build stuff ...power lifting is fine but you do end up huge and when you stop it turns to fat.

Look at Dean Lukin in his prime and look at him now it took alot of work to get rid of the bulk and be normal.

And above all else stay away from the roids they only make you nasty.

chich · 22-07-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

Stick with your body build stuff ...power lifting is fine but you do end up huge and when you stop it turns to fat.

Common myth but its absolute crap. I suppose you've also heard that fat turns into muscle too? Thats another one of my favourites..

The only reason people end up fat is because they continue to eat the same amount of food as when they were training.

galaxy xr8 · 23-07-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

Common myth but its absolute crap. I suppose you've also heard that fat turns into muscle too? Thats another one of my favourites..

The only reason people end up fat is because they continue to eat the same amount of food as when they were training.

Yeah I thought that to.

LTDHO · 23-07-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

Common myth but its absolute crap. I suppose you've also heard that fat turns into muscle too? Thats another one of my favourites..

The only reason people end up fat is because they continue to eat the same amount of food as when they were training.

Have you seen Schwarzenegger recently, he's hardly the Terminator. He couldn't even shape up for T3!!

Muscle mass doesn't last forever!

**Stav** · 23-07-2006, 05:16 PM

Power lifting is better for putting on size.You basically concentrate on compound exercises ;low reps and you get big.However when you push too hard something will break. Despite these guys claiming it is healthy well that depends on how heavy you go. Stenozinol and horse hormones will make you huge but these guys get tired just like a fat person. Phyisique training /bodybuilding is a good sport as long as you dont overdo it. Dont kill the muscle make it grow. Do some aerobics for cardio and take a good vitamin supplement. Many of the strongest men in the world die at a young age from heart attacks and they pull trains and stuff like that. Stick with what you are doing...

Josho · 26-07-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Power lifting is better for putting on size.You basically concentrate on compound exercises ;low reps and you get big.However when you push too hard something will break. Despite these guys claiming it is healthy well that depends on how heavy you go. Stenozinol and horse hormones will make you huge but these guys get tired just like a fat person. Phyisique training /bodybuilding is a good sport as long as you dont overdo it. Dont kill the muscle make it grow. Do some aerobics for cardio and take a good vitamin supplement. Many of the strongest men in the world die at a young age from heart attacks and they pull trains and stuff like that. Stick with what you are doing...

Many of them die because they are 300lbs+ which their heart can't maintain. Like I said before powerlifting doesn't get you big all night. It takes years of dedication and correct diet and training to become even remotely their size.

Josho · 26-07-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Have you seen Schwarzenegger recently, he's hardly the Terminator. He couldn't even shape up for T3!!

Muscle mass doesn't last forever!

So you expect 59 year old with a huge workload (governor) to maintain the body he had in his prime?.....

Josho · 26-07-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

Stick with your body build stuff ...power lifting is fine but you do end up huge and when you stop it turns to fat.

Look at Dean Lukin in his prime and look at him now it took alot of work to get rid of the bulk and be normal.

And above all else stay away from the roids they only make you nasty.

Wrong. There are powerlifters of all shapes and sizes and you don't get "big" over night - many powerlifters myself included are 170lbs at 8% BF which is extremely healthy. You're also misinformed about steroids - there are drugs produced to counter act the side effects of steroids, ACNE etc. Also if you can find me a direct link between steroids and death please show me.

Bossxr8 · 26-07-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Josho

Wrong. There are powerlifters of all shapes and sizes and you don't get "big" over night - many powerlifters myself included are 170lbs at 8% BF which is extremely healthy. You're also misinformed about steroids - there are drugs produced to counter act the side effects of steroids, ACNE etc. Also if you can find me a direct link between steroids and death please show me.

Steroids just shag your organs- heart, liver etc. You seem to know a bit about the roids, do you use them? Being so protective of someone saying they are bad makes it seem like you do. Correct me if i'm wrong, I just think people who use roids are cheaters and just too lazy to do it the hard way like I do.

Josho · 26-07-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Steroids just shag your organs- heart, liver etc. You seem to know a bit about the roids, do you use them? Being so protective of someone saying they are bad makes it seem like you do. Correct me if i'm wrong, I just think people who use roids are cheaters and just too lazy to do it the hard way like I do.

Show me a reference where they "shag" your organs and I'll happily admit I'm wrong. People who use roids are NOT cheaters they are just as dedicated if not more than natural lifters look at IFBB pro's, although I must admit there are many newcomers to lifting who are too lazy to workout to build a good base and go straight to roids, this is not the case however of top IFBB pro's, powerlifters and the like.

Bossxr8 · 26-07-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Josho

Show me a reference where they "shag" your organs and I'll happily prove I'm wrong. People who use roids are NOT cheaters they are just as dedicated if not more than natural lifters look at IFBB pro's, although I must admit there are many newcomers to lifting who are too lazy to workout to build a good base and go straight to roids, this is not the case however of top IFBB pro's, powerlifters and the like.

How are they dedicated by having to use un natural drugs to help them perform above the level they would otherwise not be able to achieve. They take the soft option.

BlueJ · 26-07-2006, 06:19 PM

If you enjoy powerlifting, go for it, but keep it in check. As others have said remember that you will be putting far more load on your joints when deadlifting and squatting. Just because your muscles are strong enough to lift a weight doesn't mean that you should.

I used to find variety is the spice of life when weight training. I mixed up powerlifting (good for ego, bad for back), high-rep bodybuilding and even some weight lifting occasionally to keep things interesting.

I combined the weights with some regular swimming which kept me reasonably flexible.

Now I am a fat lazy slob lol but don't let that put you off...

Josho · 26-07-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueJ

If you enjoy powerlifting, go for it, but keep it in check. As others have said remember that you will be putting far more load on your joints when deadlifting and squatting. Just because your muscles are strong enough to lift a weight doesn't mean that you should.

I used to find variety is the spice of life when weight training. I mixed up powerlifting (good for ego, bad for back), high-rep bodybuilding and even some weight lifting occasionally to keep things interesting.

I combined the weights with some regular swimming which kept me reasonably flexible.

Now I am a fat lazy slob lol but don't let that put you off...

I personally have never been injured although Iam a regular swimmer and warm up always. I enjoy powerlifting moreso than bodybuilding, I don't wish to push this on anyone but when I have ignoramuses bashing powerlifting, I will to come its defence.

GT290 · 28-07-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MO

Stick with your body build stuff ...power lifting is fine but you do end up huge and when you stop it turns to fat.

Look at Dean Lukin in his prime and look at him now it took alot of work to get rid of the bulk and be normal.

And above all else stay away from the roids they only make you nasty.

When they put all that muscle on thay actually have a huge diet that also helps build it up together with their weight training ok, so when they build up or bulk it on and stop training it dose not actually turn to fat. Muscle can not turn to fat. What actually happens with most of them is that their eating habbits stay the same and from that they put on fat.

I have a mate who was Mr Ociana in New Zealand years ago and He had a huge build. He has a trim build now with light exercise like you or me and he watches his diet very carfully to avoid putting on weight from eating and drinkng too much.

Just thought I would mention that because so many people are missinformed.
Any way.....

chich · 22-07-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

some off the other blokes you should see, they are HUGE, and I believe from what I hear are well into drug's, but they all say power lifting is better for putting on size

Bulls**t... when you're on the steroids you'll get big doing any sort of weight training whether it be powerlifting, lifting for endurance or general bodybuilding.

Personally, i don't see a point in powerlifting because your body is simply not capable of supporting so much weight. Ask around and you'll find that most MASSIVE guys that are currently on the juice or have been in the past would have suffered a major joint injury at some point due to the excessive weight they were lifting. Makes sense when you think about it - the muscles around the joint get stronger but the joint itself doesn't and as we know everything has a breaking point..

My training partner and i always say - its not what you lift, its what it looks like you can lift. Too many people get sucked into comparing weights (hense d**k sizes) and they either:

a) get injured or
b) wonder why they're not getting bigger

We see it all the time at the gym... guys that are literally skin & bone lifting the same weights as we do even though we're 2 or 3 times bigger. They seem to forget its not quantity but quality.

My advise would be to stick to what you're doing. Focus on your form and on getting the most out of your workouts. If you're happy with your size continue to maintain what you have, otherwise look at your diet and buy a few suppliments to help you get bigger.

Josho · 26-07-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

My training partner and i always say - its not what you lift, its what it looks like you can lift. Too many people get sucked into comparing weights (hense d**k sizes) and they either:

a) get injured or
b) wonder why they're not getting bigger

We see it all the time at the gym... guys that are literally skin & bone lifting the same weights as we do even though we're 2 or 3 times bigger. They seem to forget its not quantity but quality.

Your training partner and you are ricers "all show and no go", IMO. But in saying this a "skin and bones" who is lifting the same weight as you must not be lifting too much, because I have never seen "skin and bones" benching 315lbs. You seem to be forgetting that quantity (amount lifted) is needed to get quality(good body) I have never seen an IFBB pro that can lift 'light' weights.

chich · 27-07-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Josho

Your training partner and you are ricers "all show and no go", IMO. But in saying this a "skin and bones" who is lifting the same weight as you must not be lifting too much, because I have never seen "skin and bones" benching 315lbs. You seem to be forgetting that quantity (amount lifted) is needed to get quality(good body) I have never seen an IFBB pro that can lift 'light' weights.

I completely disagree but at the end of the day your opinion is your opinion. I can assure you we don't train like pansies and we're not about all show and no go. We lift heavy, QUALITY weights, meaning form is almost perfect in all of our excercises. Unlike your (obvious) aim, ours isn't to become a mountain of muscle - its to get big. My definition and your definition of 'big' and 'massive' are obviously different.

In regards to the weights I lift read your post again because the majority of it sounds like dribble.. where in my post did i claim that i benched 315lb or make ANY reference to the weights I, or my training partner lift??

Josho · 28-07-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chich

My training partner and i always say - its not what you lift, its what it looks like you can lift. Too many people get sucked into comparing weights (hense d**k sizes) and they either:

a) get injured or
b) wonder why they're not getting bigger

We see it all the time at the gym... guys that are literally skin & bone lifting the same weights as we do even though we're 2 or 3 times bigger. They seem to forget its not quantity but quality.

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Originally Posted by Josho

Your training partner and you are ricers "all show and no go", IMO. But in saying this a "skin and bones" who is lifting the same weight as you must not be lifting too much, because I have never seen "skin and bones" benching 315lbs. You seem to be forgetting that quantity (amount lifted) is needed to get quality(good body) I have never seen an IFBB pro that can lift 'light' weights.

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Originally Posted by chich

I completely disagree but at the end of the day your opinion is your opinion. I can assure you we don't train like pansies and we're not about all show and no go. We lift heavy, QUALITY weights, meaning form is almost perfect in all of our excercises. Unlike your (obvious) aim, ours isn't to become a mountain of muscle - its to get big. My definition and your definition of 'big' and 'massive' are obviously different.

In regards to the weights I lift read your post again because the majority of it sounds like dribble.. where in my post did i claim that i benched 315lb or make ANY reference to the weights I, or my training partner lift??

Sorry my friend Bodybuilding is the car equivilent of a ricer no matter how much you say its not. Ricers are people that have nice looking cars but don't have the power to back their looks up. Bodybuilders, sure if you are a top ameatur or pro you are strong but you have to remember top IFBB pros are bigger (measurement wise) than the majority of PLers and Strongmen yet in some cases lift a 1/3rd of the weight and at best 3/4.

I'm sure you don't train like pansies I never once said you did, but to say that PLing is comparing dick sizes about how much you SQ, BP and DL is completely moronic. I can easily say that Plers don't care(as much) for image like bodybuilders and bodybuilders are the way they are because they lack d*** sizes and need to make up fot it.

Once again top bodybuilders are much larger (measurement wise) than Powerlifters. (Don't quote me on this, but I'm sure this is 99% of the time this is the case, I've never heard of a Pler or strongman that has 24+inch arms, at 5%BF.)

I never once said that you lift 315lbs (it must be much less) But If you guys are so 'big' as you say, you must be lifting a fair amount. You can't get 'big', well atleast not in my book without atleast lifting 225lbs in all of the 'big 3' or the equivalent in other excersises. And I have never ever seen 'skin and bones' lifting that amount or more. Sorry but ALL of your post sounds like dribble you can't even follow simple logic, you are ignorant of powerlifting and lifting in general and you sound like one of those cocky bodybuilder types that get all up tight when they see a younger or 'smaller' guys lifting the same weight as them.

If you want to be a bodybuilder fine, but when you start ripping through powerlifting with aggressive and ignorant comments I will embarass you and show people like the thread starter that there is another side of the coin, which IMO is more self rewarding.

mr_xr8 · 28-07-2006, 12:36 PM

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Sorry my friend Bodybuilding is the car equivilent of a ricer no matter how much you say its not. Ricers are people that have nice looking cars but don't have the power to back their looks up. Bodybuilders,

i have to disagree with that because to get bigger you must get stronger first. doesnt matter if it is bodybuilding or powerlifting.

chich · 29-07-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Josho

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Sorry my friend Bodybuilding is the car equivilent of a ricer no matter how much you say its not. Ricers are people that have nice looking cars but don't have the power to back their looks up. Bodybuilders, sure if you are a top ameatur or pro you are strong but you have to remember top IFBB pros are bigger (measurement wise) than the majority of PLers and Strongmen yet in some cases lift a 1/3rd of the weight and at best 3/4.

I'm sure you don't train like pansies I never once said you did, but to say that PLing is comparing dick sizes about how much you SQ, BP and DL is completely moronic. I can easily say that Plers don't care(as much) for image like bodybuilders and bodybuilders are the way they are because they lack d*** sizes and need to make up fot it.

Once again top bodybuilders are much larger (measurement wise) than Powerlifters. (Don't quote me on this, but I'm sure this is 99% of the time this is the case, I've never heard of a Pler or strongman that has 24+inch arms, at 5%BF.)

I never once said that you lift 315lbs (it must be much less) But If you guys are so 'big' as you say, you must be lifting a fair amount. You can't get 'big', well atleast not in my book without atleast lifting 225lbs in all of the 'big 3' or the equivalent in other excersises. And I have never ever seen 'skin and bones' lifting that amount or more. Sorry but ALL of your post sounds like dribble you can't even follow simple logic, you are ignorant of powerlifting and lifting in general and you sound like one of those cocky bodybuilder types that get all up tight when they see a younger or 'smaller' guys lifting the same weight as them.

If you want to be a bodybuilder fine, but when you start ripping through powerlifting with aggressive and ignorant comments I will embarass you and show people like the thread starter that there is another side of the coin, which IMO is more self rewarding.

Ok Josho... whatever. I've got better things to do with my time then to sit here and argue with an uneducated and uninformed drug taker. As i mentioned in my previous post, our definition of 'big' and our aims by lifting weights are obviously different. Lets agree to disagree and move on..

Falcon Freak · 28-07-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

We see it all the time at the gym... guys that are literally skin & bone lifting the same weights as we do even though we're 2 or 3 times bigger. They seem to forget its not quantity but quality.

Those guys must be VERY skinny if you are 2 or 3 times bigger. I suggest you get some steroids to supplement your weight training so as to get some real bulk onto your frame.

FF

chich · 29-07-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Those guys must be VERY skinny if you are 2 or 3 times bigger. I suggest you get some steroids to supplement your weight training so as to get some real bulk onto your frame.

FF

Sorry i must have missed something here - how long have you been training for again?

Falcon Freak · 29-07-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chich

Sorry i must have missed something here - how long have you been training for again?

I'm not doing any weight training. So I'm not trying to put on any muscle. I started jogging on the 2nd of July (because some bich lit a fire within me) and do so on most days. That won't add any muscle.

Still haven't joined the gym.

FF

galaxy xr8 · 22-07-2006, 09:07 PM

Yeah I was never going to get into drug's, all my mates are drug free, it's the other blokes that they compete againt's that are on them, and you can tell, they say they arn't but yeah right, I'm quite happy with my physique now, I'd probably like to gain another 10kg and put me into the 100kg size but that's it, it's hard enough now consuming all this food every day, I have it working out well with my intake off protein/ complex carb's and fat and I'm enjoying what I do, it's just totally different to power lifting.

MO · 22-07-2006, 09:19 PM

chich....go and do another 20 reps at 120 on the bench and calm down!

chich · 23-07-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

chich....go and do another 20 reps at 120 on the bench and calm down!

I'm always calm

I've heard the "you'll get fat when you stop" myth so many times that its beginning to get very annoying. By the way - 20 reps is about 12 more than necessary :nutsycuck

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Have you seen Schwarzenegger recently, he's hardly the Terminator. He couldn't even shape up for T3!!

Muscle mass doesn't last forever!

It doesn't last forever but you can maintain a decent size if you want to by continuing to train and by eating the right foods at the right time. I've seen many guys in their mid 50s that are still quite big. Its just a matter of how dedicated you are.

**Peuty** · 23-07-2006, 04:41 PM

What power lifting?

galaxy xr8 · 23-07-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

What power lifting?

What do you mean?.

**Peuty** · 23-07-2006, 04:51 PM

Haha, sorry, I meant to say "What is Power lifting?"