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04-05-2006, 05:01 PM | #1 | ||
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Hi everyone,
I'm just wondering if any of you out there with a BA on dedicated gas can tell me if it's a good option to go with. My wife has just started back at work full time and she wants to update to a better/safer car than a Hyundai now she is doing more kms (500-600 kms a week) She would like to get a diesel VW Golf, but I think at nearly half the price, a 12 month old BA E-GAS could be better. Any input on L/100 and kms to a tank would be great. How many useable litres is the tank and in a sedan where does the tank go? Thanks Greg. |
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04-05-2006, 05:17 PM | #2 | ||
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Yes for sure
Much nicer, more comfortable and safer car with good resale than any hyundai. LPG is clean and dedicated LPG cars last forever- note taxis its an 80l tank and i get 600/650klms to a tank pure highway and thats in an AU, a newer BA would be better 480 klms in mixed 380/400klms with a heavy foot in town . Tanks in the under the boot (wagon has two tanks), where the spare normally goes and the spare i wrapped in carpet and sits in the boot, but you can get extra space with a space saver wheel. Rear seats still fold down though, so if your in the market (base models) i cant see why anyone would go for the petrol versions. *LPG is between 48 and 58 here on the central coast- Diesel is like a $1.50 , dieseals stink and the waiting list for a golf disel would be about 3 months.
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04-05-2006, 05:22 PM | #3 | ||
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Some people say it isnt worth it, you need to factor in the amount of Km's you do and work out the savings. Also, ive heard they need to be kept pretty much in tune or they will become more uneconomical and this will reode your savings.
Somebody im sure will post more detailed info, just presenting the other side for ya.
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04-05-2006, 05:42 PM | #4 | ||
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I went to bathurst last year in a BA mkII with dedicated gas, 3 people in the car, covered 2400km for $98.00. I think that speaks for itself.
There is no tuning required on dedicated gas Falcons, just make sure the system is serviced as required every 15000km's which would be done during normal vehicle servicing. |
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04-05-2006, 08:21 PM | #5 | ||
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I have done 130 000 k in my Dedicated gas Ba ute and would not have a petrol one for the work I do.
I know the sedans have a smaller tank than the wagons and utes but the range will depend upon your load and type of use. NOTE the BA uses slightly more fuel than the Au NOT less as suggested. My Ute is very heavy (2750kg) with a canopy that does not help it's aerodynamics, and does a mix of highway and city miles and i average 15.6 L/100km. Things to watch are regular servicing, air filters are critical for gas cars Cattalytic converters tend to be short lived in the gas cars as the exhaust is hotter, when the cat goes always put a hi flow unit on and I am told they respond very positivly to a less restrictive exhaust (will improve your economy by about 2 L/100K according to a mate who uses his for courier work.
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04-05-2006, 08:52 PM | #6 | ||
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The tank in the sedan is where the old fuel tank was not like the au's
and i think by memory it holds 95 L and the wagons hold 115 L great car ive had mine a couple of months im so happy with it I traded up fro an au2 dual fuel good luck cheers nods :eclipsee_ |
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04-05-2006, 08:47 PM | #7 | ||
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dont worry about it mate . get it . i've had lpg vehicles for 13 years . i do 30 000kms a year. thats 400 000kms . at about 40 to 45% the cost of petrol. so imagime $45 a week instead of $100. thats $55 a week x52 = $2860 x13 = $37180 @ todays prices .
dont even think about it just do it . buy a 2nd hand 1 year old with gas already on it . you wont pay more than a petrol one 2nd hand. do it bro do it. also you can tow put a family in it and it is big powerful safe car. no regrets here . |
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04-05-2006, 10:02 PM | #8 | ||
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My Mrs is a fleet manager and recons the E-gas Falcons are damn expensive to maintain. Constant issues with the gas systems she reckons.
The Mrs wants a Toyota Prius buzz box. As they cost bugger all in fuel and maintenance. I wouldn't mind one but they cost s**tloads for a 4cyl car.
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05-05-2006, 03:51 PM | #9 | ||
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[QUOTE=brenx]My Mrs is a fleet manager and recons the E-gas Falcons are damn expensive to maintain. Constant issues with the gas systems she reckons. QUOTE]
Just had a look at the running costs of my BA xr6 and the BA Xl ute (dedicated gas), had both since new. Both have done over 120 000 km, even with replacing the air filter more regularly, and the (very) expensive plugs in the ute it is significently cheaper to run. both cars factory serviced As far as constant problems with the E gas , I too have had issues with back firing and more recently with the Cat (come to think of it probibly linked) but at the end of the day much cheaper in running costs, and with gas at 59c and Ulp at 1.39 the difference is getting bigger.
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06-05-2006, 07:13 AM | #10 | |||
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- purchase price (Ford wins) - annual fuel costs (Toyota wins) - maintenance costs (Toyota wins) - replacement batteries (Ford wins) - insurance (Ford wins) - performance (Ford wins) - practicality (Ford wins) - Australian made (Ford wins) I laugh every time I see a Prius on the road as people who buy/lease these vehicles are misguided. Article about Prius' hidden costs FF Last edited by Falcon Freak; 06-05-2006 at 07:25 AM. |
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06-05-2006, 08:04 PM | #11 | ||
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Hi all.
I've got an E-Gas BA MkII SE auto ute with canopy which I bought new in oct '04. I always carry about 500kg of equipment in the back (i'm a tradesman) and i've now got about 54000kms on the clock. I have had a couple of very minor warranty issues which were happily fixed by the local dealer but definitely no engine/major probs. While hesitant about LPG at first, i'm now rapt in the car and the economy. Driving round local area (Doncaster Vic.) which is all hills about 16-18 l/100km. General suburban running, about 14-16 l/100km. Long trips on freeways, about 11-12 l/100km. On a recent trip Melb- Surfers Paradise via Syd return (abt 3500kms) average speed of 110-120 km/h 40 degree heat AC on, TOTAL fuel cost of $200.00. Try that in a golf diesel. Economy improves significantly when the back is emptied. Am I happy. Hell yeah. BTW my last workcar was a petrol VW Transporter, and whilst it was a good van, the cost of any spare parts was enormous. Hope this helps. |
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04-05-2006, 10:19 PM | #12 | ||
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brenx. PRIUS battery packs are $3100 plus fitting. sell it before warranty expires.
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04-05-2006, 11:11 PM | #13 | ||
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I have a duel fuel AU1 Forte, and the only problem i have is starting the bloody thing, i always have to put it on petrol then after a couple of k's i switch it back to gas and it's all good!
I say go the BA on dedicated gas, it's so much cheaper! I wouldn't mind knowing how much they are going for????? As i could see my self after i've paid off the AU1 to go n buy a dedicated gas AU or BA! Cheers Simon :eclipsee_ |
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04-05-2006, 11:18 PM | #14 | ||
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My sister-inlaws dad had a BA Ute dedicated Gas, It was his company car, Was a heap to drive trust me it had problems, They replaced it with BA MKII non Gas I6, He gets good km's in that 600-700 on average but he drives like his age almost 70. They love to use the Ute they have a AU III Classic but always use the Ute to get around in.
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04-05-2006, 11:29 PM | #15 | ||
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Daily driver + lots of kilometres + not a sports car = go for LPG.
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05-05-2006, 12:02 AM | #16 | ||
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Do it, do it, do it, do it!!
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05-05-2006, 12:15 PM | #17 | ||
turboute
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Definitely do it - but buy a petrol BA and convert it to a Sequential gas setup - no power restricting Gas rings!, P.S this is exactly what I will be doing at the end of the year
My Current ute gets about 350km's for $25. (50/50 mix hwy/city) |
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05-05-2006, 12:23 PM | #18 | |||
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Again i'd like to know how much either the AU or BA dedicated gas sedans go for....More so the BA's Cheers Simon :evil3: |
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05-05-2006, 03:58 PM | #19 | ||
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Some guy on here mad a LPG conversion calculator to see if its worth it for people on the forums, I have it on my computer PM me if you want it.
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05-05-2006, 04:46 PM | #20 | ||
Formally RED XR8
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Thanks everyone for your input, it seems like a good way to go. Now I think my only problem will be convincing my wife to for it as she seems to have her heart set on the Golf.
Greg. |
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05-05-2006, 04:52 PM | #21 | |||
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05-05-2006, 08:39 PM | #22 | |||
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05-05-2006, 09:08 PM | #23 | ||
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I just bought a stock BA and am getting a sequential gas injection system put in as part of the deal.
No restrictive gas rings, and almost same economy as petrol. I also plan to mod mine, so will be interesting to see how close the results are when running petrol vs gas. Looking to surprise some of the naysayers. I say, go LPG. |
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05-05-2006, 09:20 PM | #24 | |||
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05-05-2006, 10:38 PM | #25 | |||
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I think this gives the best overview of what the system does in comparison to the traditional converter/mixer type. http://www.tartariniauto.it/productlist.php?cat=6&sub=2 Local network is Victorian Autogas: http://www.vags.net.au/BA-falcon-LPG-tartarine.htm I rang around a bit, and prices fluctuated wildly, but went from $3400 right up to $4500. Definitely pays to do a bit of research before asking for a gas system to be installed. This is for a BA Wagon, which needs the toroidal tank and relocation of spare tyre. Workshop has the car for 2 days, and was told that the kit itself is 2.5k. So the labour costs and registering are fairly reasonable I think. |
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06-05-2006, 02:54 AM | #26 | ||
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My EL runs fine on Gas, a little down on low down torque compared to petrol, but its still adequate. Its setup to start on petrol and then switches over once running, the start is a little rougher than when on petrol, but otherwise you wouldnt notice in how it runs.
Its a Viele(?) system. I can nearly get 400kms from 55L mostly city driving thats about the same as petrol. I just wish the tank was bigger (actually no I dont, it takes long enough to bloody fill it already).
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06-05-2006, 09:29 PM | #27 | ||
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[QUOTE=XR6 Martin]My EL runs fine on Gas, a little down on low down torque compared to petrol, but its still adequate. QUOTE]
\ Interesting point Is that due to the conversion and the ability to run both fuels?? ie. compromised tuning ?? Now Waiting to get shot down by someone with a spec sheet but From memory the AU Dedicated gas had higher torque than the petrol engine. I thought this was due to the higher compression and higher octane rating of the LPG. Can anyone confirm (or shoot me down LOL) would be curious to see comparative figures on BA dedicated to petrol. I know the power rating Kw will be down slightly but would love to see the torque curves. Hmmmm curves now that gets me thinking
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06-05-2006, 06:22 AM | #28 | ||
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I'm getting the fairlane put on gas in two weeks. The guy said to get the impco mixer as it's alot better with the tickford engine , is this right?? Also how often should l change the air filter then or will cleaning it more often do the trick??
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07-05-2006, 08:09 PM | #29 | ||
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get it
do it I just filled up my new car used to be $30 for a full tank of LPG petrol got me 22 litres, $90 for the fill wonder how far it will go, the trip computer guesses 480km I'm getting gas put in asap and something I hadn't mentioned on the old stolen EA 17 years old, it still had the original exhaust system, front to back !!! : |
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07-05-2006, 08:25 PM | #30 | ||
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A mate of mine last month received a brand new BF ute with the eGas engine. He told me he got over 650km on 80 litres of LPG. He loves the car and stated that this car has more power and is more economical than his AU ute which also had an eGas engine.
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