2018 Expedition

chevypower · 08-02-2017, 05:03 AM

2 sizes: Expedition and Expedition Max. The Platinum gets a high output version of the 3.5L V6 EcoBoost. Raptor power maybe?

http://m.ford.com/suvs/expedition/20...170207180231:s

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...t-look-review/

lari1eye · 08-02-2017, 05:39 AM

Maybe it's coming down under. Looks fairly flash. Another two wheel drive SUV with optional 4WD.
There was talk of the Territory replacement last year, but I thought it was another model. This has a new motor for this country too.
In the lower parts of the brochure there is the interesting disclaimer ..........
"Driver-assist features are supplemental and do not replace the driver’s attention, judgment and need to control the vehicle."

**Giant Cranium** · 08-02-2017, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lari1eye

Maybe it's coming down under. Looks fairly flash. Another two wheel drive SUV with optional 4WD.
There was talk of the Territory replacement last year, but I thought it was another model. This has a new motor for this country too.
In the lower parts of the brochure there is the interesting disclaimer ..........
"Driver-assist features are supplemental and do not replace the driver’s attention, judgment and need to control the vehicle."

this thing is much much lager than a terri. the small one is bigger than a 200 cruiser.

and the update can't come soon enough, the current one is so far behind the gmc, chev, caddie triplets

Vesper Martini · 08-02-2017, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lari1eye

Maybe it's coming down under. Looks fairly flash. Another two wheel drive SUV with optional 4WD.
There was talk of the Territory replacement last year, but I thought it was another model. This has a new motor for this country too.

Highly unlikely this will come down under, its certainly not a Territory replacement it much larger than anything on the road here already. plus there's already one line up for 2018..

Still looks like a great vehicle though

Blue_XR · 08-02-2017, 10:21 AM

Ford have done well with the all new expedition, it was needed.

chevypower · 08-02-2017, 06:31 AM

Another article. No doubt the Lion V6 diesel will be coming and Ford did tease more hybrids are coming too! Exciting times.

http://www.tfltruck.com/2017/02/2018...knows-one-suv/

chevypower · 08-02-2017, 08:09 AM

According to Ford's Canadian site, the Platinum will put out 400hp/480lb-ft (300KW/650Nm).
Even though they have 10 gears, they still have a low range through a transfer case.
https://m.ford.ca/suvs/expedition/2018/

**Polyal** · 08-02-2017, 10:32 AM

Landcruiser money? The Everest in mid spec isn't exactly cheap. These things dont seem to be ask focused as the Cruiser for off road etc?

**Giant Cranium** · 08-02-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Landcruiser money? The Everest in mid spec isn't exactly cheap. These things dont seem to be ask focused as the Cruiser for off road etc?

these things are for ferrying rich blokes to meetings in nyc or for religious familys with 7 kids. nobody takes them off road

**FairmontGS** · 08-02-2017, 02:51 PM

Good looking car - would be great if it made it down under.

Crazy Dazz · 10-02-2017, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Good looking car - would be great if it made it down under.

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

chevypower · 10-02-2017, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

Just like Australian cars have evolved, so have American cars.

Crazy Dazz · 02-09-2017, 02:44 PM

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Just like Australian cars have evolved, so have American cars.

No, no they haven't.
You're confusing modernisation with evolution.
The whole problem with Australian cars is that we were still building big powerful saloons, when nobody wanted them anymore.

Simple fact is, doesn't matter who the company is, that if you set up two independent subsidiaries, and told them to build cars from scratch to appeal to mass markets in Europe and North America, you would get two very different cars.

For me the classic example is the Honda (Acura) MDX. We almost bought one.
We all know Honda make great cars, and the MDX was beautiful, gorgeous interior, and well-equipt. Yet it bombed in Australia and was withdrawn from sale.
Why? Because it was designed and built in North America for their market,
and whilst the versions we got were RHD, that was the only difference. It was supremely comfortable to drive, but it cornered like an oil-tanker, and at 100kph actually wallowed.

The Territory was a great car, but ultimately, despite a few facelifts, it was still being built on the EA169 platform. We got nearly 20 years out of that platform, and it wasn't exactly ultra-modern when first developed.

chevypower · 16-11-2017, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

No, no they haven't.
You're confusing modernisation with evolution.
The whole problem with Australian cars is that we were still building big powerful saloons, when nobody wanted them anymore.

Simple fact is, doesn't matter who the company is, that if you set up two independent subsidiaries, and told them to build cars from scratch to appeal to mass markets in Europe and North America, you would get two very different cars.

For me the classic example is the Honda (Acura) MDX. We almost bought one.
We all know Honda make great cars, and the MDX was beautiful, gorgeous interior, and well-equipt. Yet it bombed in Australia and was withdrawn from sale.
Why? Because it was designed and built in North America for their market,
and whilst the versions we got were RHD, that was the only difference. It was supremely comfortable to drive, but it cornered like an oil-tanker, and at 100kph actually wallowed.

The Territory was a great car, but ultimately, despite a few facelifts, it was still being built on the EA169 platform. We got nearly 20 years out of that platform, and it wasn't exactly ultra-modern when first developed.

If you think American cars haven’t evolved, you’re an idiot. You’re saying a 2018 Expedition is the same as a 1998 Expedition. Aluminium body, boxed frame, IRS, 10 speed, 400HP GTDI engine. Versus steel body, 4 speed, live axle, C-channel frame, 230HP 2-valve SOHC V8. No evolution you claim, all based on one example of an MDX being tuned for ride comfort over handling. 😂😂😂😂😂

malazn mafia · 10-02-2017, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

The North American Fraud Explorer in its current gen is no slouch, steers handles and brakes as good as or even better than an SZ territory. The fit and finish looks as good as if it was designed and built by Ford Australia. It will hold in excess of 100mph on the open road without breaking a sweat. Took one from Miami to Canada over all sorts of road conditions and it was faultless.

malazn mafia · 16-11-2017, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

I beg to differ. Drove a 2016 Explorer, and it was right up there with the Ford Territory in performance, handling, style and interior design.

Ben73 · 29-11-2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Ever driven a North American SUV?
Imagine sitting in a Lazy-Boy, whilst steering a barge.
About the only thing it would achieve is boosting the demand for 2nd hand terries.

I have driven a 2000 Grand Cherokee and a 2016 Grand Cherokee and it was the 2000 model that felt like an oil tanker even though it's noticeably smaller all round.

If you want a modern SUV that feels like an old American SUV, get a Toyota Prado. They feel like they tilt 45 degrees when you corner. Luckily they seams to handle better after a couple hundred thousands kilometres. Either that or you just get used to driving and oil tanker down the road.

Considering how many duel cab utes are on Australian roads these days, I don't think that many Australians are going after sports car handling when buying large vehicles.

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Hasn't really worked for the Nissan Patrol V8. Only sells in tiny numbers.

If they put the 5L Cummins turbo diesel from the Titan in it they would probably sell more of them.

Surely it's not just me that thinks the Y62 Patrols proportions look all out of whack? For one the body looks too big for the tiny wheels on it. LandCruiser looks all good though

chevypower · 30-11-2017, 01:25 AM

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If they put the 5L Cummins turbo diesel from the Titan in it they would probably sell more of them.

You are probably right. Interestingly though, The Fast Lane Truck did a towing comparison with the Titan XD diesel and the 5.6 V8, and the fuel savings on the diesel was marginal.

Ben73 · 08-02-2017, 05:41 PM

Something I would consider. But we don't get many decent SUV's here so I wont hold my breath.

baboon · 08-02-2017, 06:46 PM

The 2018 Expedition looks like a giant version of the Ford Flex. The Flex has the twin turbo ecoboost 3.5L V6 with AWD. I like both!

CyberWasp · 08-02-2017, 09:15 PM

I think I have said before, that the dashboard is designed in such a way that they have left it open to be easily reversed for RHD.

It beats me why they don't bring these out here to try to pinch sales off Toyota. Would not be hard to undercut Landcruiser pricing.

Key would be to have a class leading Diesel Engine to do well here.
Is there any V8 Diesels in the Ford Universe?

chevypower · 09-02-2017, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I think I have said before, that the dashboard is designed in such a way that they have left it open to be easily reversed for RHD.

It beats me why they don't bring these out here to try to pinch sales off Toyota. Would not be hard to undercut Landcruiser pricing.

Key would be to have a class leading Diesel Engine to do well here.
Is there any V8 Diesels in the Ford Universe?

Yes, they have the 6.7L V8 Power Stroke (likely too big for that engine bay).
4.4L V8 Lion diesel for Range Rover - not sure if it's in production anymore. Because they have the 3.0 V6 hybrid with 37mpg. It also has around 750Nm combined torque. I think that would be a great option for the Expedition.

Junkyard-Dog · 09-02-2017, 10:00 AM

I like the way it looks, with the exception of the rear quarter which just looks really out of place to me.

Bossxr8 · 09-02-2017, 03:36 PM

Not made in RHD = not coming here.

carwant.com.au · 09-02-2017, 10:17 PM

We hired a 2016 Expedition last year while in California for holidays. It was one of the best SUVs i've driven. Great build quality, performance, luxury and handling

I can't see Ford making a RHD unfortunately and even if they did bring out a RHD version, they also need a diesel option to have any chance of success here (ours and others we seen were petrol only).

Brazen · 09-02-2017, 10:20 PM

If you got a Expedition, you would have to get the Max version. Proportions make it look less soccer mum

malazn mafia · 30-08-2017, 05:28 PM

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imageIf you got a Expedition, you would have to get the Max version. Proportions make it look less soccer mum

Looks amazing, as good as a Cadillac Escalade ESV. Pity we can't get them here, although seen some GMC Yukon and Chev Tahoe getting around on the Gold Coast. Beats me why they don't sell them here , Australia is a big country and these are perfect for eating up long distances, much more so than the third world Everest and Fortuna...

chevypower · 31-08-2017, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Looks amazing, as good as a Cadillac Escalade ESV. Pity we can't get them here, although seen some GMC Yukon and Chev Tahoe getting around on the Gold Coast. Beats me why they don't sell them here , Australia is a big country and these are perfect for eating up long distances, much more so than the third world Everest and Fortuna...

I like the Everest, but very different vehicle. I think more choices are a good thing. Everest for small family with light to moderate towing and some light off-road. Expedition for larger families, or more luxury for longer trips, and heavier towing. Bronco for moderate to advanced off-road trails.

malazn mafia · 31-08-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

I like the Everest, but very different vehicle. I think more choices are a good thing. Everest for small family with light to moderate towing and some light off-road. Expedition for larger families, or more luxury for longer trips, and heavier towing. Bronco for moderate to advanced off-road trails.

Horses for courses, driven an Everest and it was a disappointment, nowhere near a replacement for Territory, but Ford has nothing else in its stable. Current gen explorer was more than a perfect replacement however.

Bossxr8 · 31-08-2017, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Horses for courses, driven an Everest and it was a disappointment, nowhere near a replacement for Territory, but Ford has nothing else in its stable. Current gen explorer was more than a perfect replacement however.

Cause the Everest isn't a Territory replacement, the coming Edge is.

Although it's like a new gen Commodore, it's not a direct like for like replacement. But at least Ford wasn't stupid enough to whore the Territory name out on it.