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24-01-2015, 10:37 PM | #1 | ||
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It is nearly three decades since all new cars sold in Australia had to run on unleaded fuel. And a fair few years since leaded fuel has been phased out altogether. Is there any information available to the public which shows if lead levels in the air have reduced from 1985 to 2015?
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24-01-2015, 10:55 PM | #2 | ||
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I found this bit of info.
How much of a problem is air-borne lead in Australia? The amount of lead in Australia's air has decreased significantly since the introduction of unleaded petrol in 1986. Before the phase-out of leaded petrol, which began in 1993, the national air quality standard for lead was regularly exceeded in urban environments. Levels are now less than 10 per cent of the national annual standard of 0.5 micrograms per cubic metre of air. http://aqicn.org/map/australia/ Check this out also.
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24-01-2015, 11:40 PM | #3 | ||
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My Grandfather played with lead based toy cars when he was a kid, and there's nothing wrong bleee daaaghhh dinggg zaerttt terrrr with me.
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24-01-2015, 11:49 PM | #4 | ||
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25-01-2015, 07:05 AM | #5 | ||
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I don't know about the air but I saw something on TV some months ago about children being poisoned by lead in their yards as a result of the leaded fuels of the past...
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25-01-2015, 09:56 AM | #6 | ||
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Dont worry, more people are buying diesels so we're just getting poisioned by NOx instead.
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25-01-2015, 11:12 AM | #7 | ||
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You can't breath in lead.
It falls to the ground. Unleaded is much more harmful to breath in as it can make you feel sick instantly smelling it, like when cars go up a steep hill and the throttle is down more so and this just tosses what is un burnt fuel into the cat. Unleaded fuel is much more toxic, do not wash parts up in it with your bear hands as it can seep into your blood stream through your skin. Unleaded fuel has a chemical that pollutes the under ground water and that's why it is banned in the USA. E10 does not have the toxic chemical that is a problem as it replaces that chemical that is bad. |
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28-01-2015, 05:18 AM | #8 | ||
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Plus it's animal cruelty getting a bear to work on a car. Their hands are too big anyway.
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28-01-2015, 06:03 AM | #9 | ||
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Dude that was terrible, even if the spelling was wrong
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28-01-2015, 10:16 AM | #10 | |||
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Even Koala bears. Years ago from what I was informed was that the lead in the air from exhaust was not the problem to breath in, now if there is lead in the air from exhaust it's not the same lead as that that drops to the ground, I would think, and it's got another chemical name of type lead that you are on about. The chemical that replaced lead is far worse than lead and that's why the USA has E10 now and got rid of unleaded, and that's the whole point of E10 regardless of how you cut it. E10 is the future for now as to pollution control fuel until they can come up with something better. |
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25-01-2015, 11:04 AM | #11 | ||
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There's a push against diesel cars in Europe and some cities are talking about banning or charging them. The improvements in efficiency of petrol engined cars are working against diesels too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...pollution.html Diesel buses are also starting to be banned from city centres and there's been a lot of development of hybrid and electric buses. The financial benefits are illusory too. Fuel consumption may be a little less but they don't benefit overall WOL costs. I think the writing is on the wall. I wouldn't buy a diesel. |
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25-01-2015, 11:25 AM | #12 | |||
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26-01-2015, 11:56 AM | #13 | |||
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What happens with lead paint is that you get it on you and your hands then you wipe your mouth and their is your lead. |
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25-01-2015, 12:56 PM | #14 | ||
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Yeah lol at not being able to breathe in lead.
So im sure you would be willing to breathe in the fumes from burning lead paint then?
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25-01-2015, 01:31 PM | #15 | ||
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As new2ford added, this goes further.
France wants to ban diesels in capitals, London already going to do in capitals http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...ners-warn.html
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26-01-2015, 01:15 PM | #16 | |||||||||
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26-01-2015, 01:36 PM | #17 | ||
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And if you want the science just enter "inhalation of lead from gasoline exhaust" in Google Scholar http://scholar.google.com.au/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5 for thousands of research papers.
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26-01-2015, 01:42 PM | #18 | ||
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Note the lead in exhaust gas was (is in some 3rd world countries) emitted as extremely small but very numerous particles that can stay airborne for some time.
eg http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.o...t/290/1376/577
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26-01-2015, 02:39 PM | #19 | |||
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26-01-2015, 03:20 PM | #20 | ||
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Yeah the pollution from those scooters are greater than that of a typical family car. Even decent motorcycles are worse.
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26-01-2015, 04:04 PM | #21 | |||
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28-01-2015, 10:41 AM | #22 | |||
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Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl is the product that replaced 'lead' in fuels. Its still in E10 blended fuel also. If you are looking at conspiracys the only reason E10 is mandated in the US is due to the massive corn industry there. (where their ethanol is derived from)
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28-01-2015, 12:32 PM | #23 | |||||
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28-01-2015, 12:44 PM | #24 | ||
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Ok Trimethyllead chloride [TML] has sometimes also similarly been used in petrol. Less so than TEL and instead of TEL, but in any event, with similar noxious outcomes.
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28-01-2015, 01:05 PM | #25 | ||
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The combatant are arguing over their own definition of Lead.
That is, the Lead element Pb on its own, and the other, Lead compounds. All react differently. Just as common salt [NaCl], is referred to as just Sodium. I'm damn sure I would never put Sodium on my fish & chips. |
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28-01-2015, 01:38 PM | #26 | |||
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b) No; the original claim was that lead cannot be inhaled. But it can. In WA Lead dust from mined lead for example ( see http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/es...531-1zkwg.html) has been an issue and yes it can be inhaled as can also lead compounds from exhausted leaded petrol. For similar reasons, OHS requirements now generally place service months limits on personnel working at lead mines.
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28-01-2015, 01:59 PM | #27 | |||
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... and http://dea.org.au/news/article/how_e...s_human_health
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28-01-2015, 02:51 PM | #28 | |||
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has also been an issue in Mt Isa http://www.livingwithlead.com.au/about-lead/
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28-01-2015, 03:04 PM | #29 | ||
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You'll find some sites on the net claiming "metallic lead itself is not toxic". This many years ago used to be considered the case by some ("us Kentucky hillbillies have been eating lead pellets in game all our life and we're perfectly normal") and was often used by the US gun lobby to claim there was no danger to eating game containing lead pellets (sometimes these claims are still made). But research has confirmed otherwise see https://www.peregrinefund.org/.../20...d-exposure.pdf and http://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/sites/defau..._and_paint.pdf etc. Lead in any form is toxic.
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28-01-2015, 04:37 PM | #30 | ||
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While I don't believe it to be the primary cause, some historians and scientists claim lead poisoning led to the downfall of the Roman Empire!
Controversial eh! JP |
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