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03-06-2013, 12:01 AM | #1 | ||
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With big changes to the FoA landscape coming, I thought it would be interesting to hear views about what direction we would like Ford to take post-2016.
Do you want to see a return to F-series trucks? Should Mustang be a part of the lineup? What do we think about their USA SUV lineup? Does Ford need another large sedan or is Mondeo about right today? What can they do better from a marketing perspective? As you'll notice in the thread title, there's no mention of Falcon/Territory. If you want to bash Falcon, don't. If you want to rant about the end of Falcon, don't. Personally - I want Mustang here for a reasonable RRP, and F-series too. Both products are awesome and it's a shame the only way to get one here is to pay through the nose via unofficial channels. From a marketing POV, I think the Fiesta stuff they've been doing is great for that target market. I would like to see similar energy directed towards commercials/family/sports cars. Over to the floor!
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03-06-2013, 12:10 AM | #2 | ||
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I'm pretty keen to see the Taurus SHO here to be honest... and Mustang of course.
I want to see the Territory name continue, obviously it will be on an imported new model. F trucks would be nice, but I don't see the need. I think Ranger is the perfect sized truck for us. But this might all be irrelevant to me... I won't be selling the FPV or Territory anytime soon.
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03-06-2013, 01:27 AM | #3 | ||
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Ford is working on a truly global lineup, but I would imagine the smallest cars (designed for emerging markets) will stay out of the US and Australia. Everything else should be fair game.
Apparently they're working on a Ranger-based SUV. I suppose that could be a Territory replacement. http://www.caradvice.com.au/233618/f...-in-melbourne/ For some reason we don't get the Ranger over here, but I'm sure it would sell. Ford claims the EcoBoost F-150 and the Transit Connect can do what the Ranger does. The next Taurus will have to be somewhat smaller and lighter. Perhaps it will be sold in the US and Australia. The Mondeo will become what our current Fusion is. I guess utes are completely out. That will no doubt hurt sales in Australia and South Africa.
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03-06-2013, 01:40 AM | #4 | ||
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Mustang and F-Truck hopefully added to the lineup, F350 work truck sounds good to me. We need a replacement for the utes after all, and if not sporty then just go ridiculously big. Not sure if there's any need for a Falcon replacement seeing as the market share that large cars takes up in Australia is down to about 4% or some ridiculously low figure like that.
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03-06-2013, 07:30 AM | #5 | ||
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03-06-2013, 08:06 AM | #6 | ||
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Big car - Taurus
Sports Car - Mustang Ute - Ranger Small 4wd - Kuga Medium car - Mondeo Small/Medium - Focus Small - Fiesta Ambiente, Trend, Titanium and Sport in all categories to make it simple. 7 Models, 4 trim/extra levels = 28 in total.
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03-06-2013, 08:35 AM | #7 | ||
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The current Taurus is too big and heavy, if the next one can shed some weight it has a chance in this market.
For the first time ever I encountered a Sydney underground carpark that was just too small, i scraped the front bar once without knowing it. Now the Taurus is longer than the Falcon and wider and heavier...there's no chance of these being practical here. |
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03-06-2013, 09:45 AM | #8 | |||
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I do hope the Explorer gets here - they are a sensational looking thing in the flesh and very well equipped.
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03-06-2013, 10:56 AM | #9 | |||
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03-06-2013, 08:56 AM | #10 | ||
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Whilst I agree, I dont really have many more options in the Ford stable if the falcon goes. Three baby seats across the bak, I cant go anything smaller, such as the Mondeo. If the Territory was going to continue I would get one for sure, but it wont.
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04-06-2013, 02:11 PM | #11 | ||
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Three baby seats fit across a Tezza which is excellent. Will buy a new Tezza and/or Falcon as late as possible before Oct 2016 to see me into the mid to late 2020's and then see what happens.
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03-06-2013, 10:19 AM | #12 | ||
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Can it include this? If only it was around the same price here, 43kUSD so around 46k here, id have one if that were the case. Show em whos boss in Landcruiser park (QLD 4x4 playground for those who dont know)
http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/trim/raptor/
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05-06-2013, 12:19 AM | #13 | |||
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How good is this, put the Raptor on Ford's shopping list for post 2016. The Taurus should be left in the big book of mistakes and never seen again The new Kuga looks great. Mustang a given Focus a given. Territory (aka Terrify). Diesel option only
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03-06-2013, 10:29 AM | #14 | ||
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If it could get better than 11 MPG I would be in for sure.
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03-06-2013, 10:37 AM | #15 | ||
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I frothed every time I saw a Raptor in the States - plenty around the California ski areas.
I reckon for $80k ish there'd be a market here.
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03-06-2013, 10:43 AM | #16 | ||
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Ive seen a cpl round here, i pulled up at a car wash once seen this massive caravan, i was like what the hell could actually pull that thing, low and behold there was an SVT Raptor up front.
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03-06-2013, 10:48 AM | #17 | ||
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Saw a raptor in Sydney traffic the other day, some landscaping company (I think). Man it looked sick.
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03-06-2013, 10:54 AM | #18 | ||
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I'm Dreaming a bit but they should keep the factory here and make low volume performance cars like GT500's or GT supercars or something like that for the righthand drive markets.
cars that aren't so much about profitability more about drawing intrest to the brand and pushing the boundaries |
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03-06-2013, 11:29 AM | #19 | ||
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I dont think they will bother with a large car. Just Mustang for the performance buyers.
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03-06-2013, 12:31 PM | #20 | ||
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Dave reckons he's spotted a raptor getting around narre Warren/Berwick area. If they brought it here I'd be a happy camper.
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03-06-2013, 01:05 PM | #21 | ||
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Ka, Fiesta, Focus, Fusion
C-Max, S-Max EcoSport, Kuga, Explorer Ranger, Ranger wagon, F-trucks Mustang, Falcon/Lincoln sedan GT
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03-06-2013, 01:49 PM | #22 | ||
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Ford Australia post-2016...what should it look like? Beyond 2016, Ford should look like a lean, mean fighting machine ready to take on all competitors in every market segment it can profitably, with vehicles that appeal to all buyers!
cheers, Maka
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03-06-2013, 02:56 PM | #23 | ||
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My ideal range would be:
Ka Fiesta (full range as per UK) Ecosport (AWD option as per South America) Focus Kuga Mondeo (full range and badged as Fusion like in the US) Mustang (full range as per US) Ranger Endeavour/Everest Explorer |
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03-06-2013, 03:15 PM | #24 | ||
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forget taurus. i believe the new version will be LHD only.
most likely scenario is fusion, either rebadged as mondeo as it currently is, or left as fusion. large car segment is dying a slow death. importing a large car won't resurrect it. with global models post 2016, ford should be able to respond much quicker to the market, and bring updates to the market in a much shorter timeframe. there are numerous benefits to having a global lineup. |
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03-06-2013, 03:18 PM | #25 | ||
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I'd consider buying a mustang
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03-06-2013, 04:42 PM | #26 | ||
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Ford Australia post-2016...what should it look like?
It should look like a company whos new products dont appeal to the nation and families it betrayed, and always struggling to gain ground in market leadership. But most of all, it should look like a company whos products can never outsell those that are made in Australia.
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03-06-2013, 05:46 PM | #27 | |||
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After years of neglect from consumers, a vindictive media, and a government making manufacturing more difficult every day...I think its Ford Motor Company who should be filthy on Australia, not the opposite. I don't blame them for pulling up stumps, though I'm saddened by it. |
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03-06-2013, 11:37 PM | #28 | ||
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Hardly, this is more about the US parent company killing off any real inhouse competition in a bid to supply a large global platform and uphold Obamas new manufacturing plan, aswell as pleasing the American Auto Workers Union.
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04-06-2013, 12:01 AM | #29 | |||
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Lets try not to turn at least one 'End Of Ford Aus' thread on this forum into a Ford sucks thread. |
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04-06-2013, 10:40 PM | #30 | |||
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Mate, whether you like it or not Ford Australia is no longer a standalone operation. It's now a properly integrated part of Ford globally. While Aussie manufacturing will end in 2016, as a whole Ford Asia Pacific (which Ford Oz is part of) is ramping up to produce hundreds of thousands of cars. If anything we should be proud that Ford Oz is a centre of excellence, an engineering hub who's handy work will be seen and felt all over the world. Would you (and so many others on these forums) be so angry if Falcon had gone global, but was built in Asia? Because long term if global RWD was to go ahead I dare say that would happen. |
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