Cops now using HSV E3 Clubsports - WTF???

[dimka100]

Hi Guys,

Today I while walking thought the Crows Nest shops in Sydney I witnessed a highway patrol driving a brand new HSV E3 Clubsport with its look at me driving lights and OMG you can’t miss me paint job … I mean seriously WTF does a highway patrol need a 70K+ car!!! Is a standard V8 Commodore SS not good enough???

The cop was grinning like someone who just had his certain body part significantly enlarged and I mean come-on what a waist of tax payer’s money!!! I’m personally sick and tired of the Local and State governments and their never ending unions wasting all the taxpayers money on the constant BS and bureaucracy that nobody but them benefits from …

End rant.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Ive always had the same belief, but seriously they probably get better resale on FPV / HSV.. Plus they dont pay tax on them to start with!!

[Citric GT]

Ive seen plenty of Typhoons getting around too.

I dont see the big deal really.

[XRGhia]

where i live, its just standard FG XR6's with F6 rims..

[Geez Louise]

Your thread is about the fact that Highway Patrol police are now using E3 Clubsports? You also say, no one benefits from this but them?

With the amount of Turbo cars/faster cars on our roads, No I don't think a standard V8 Commodore SS IS good enough.

I see with the Police having newer cars.... the public benefit. This is nothing new.

Your points are all mute and hardly thread worthy.

[dimka100]

LOL dude do you actually think the police need faster cars to keep up??? The speed limits did not change and actually they are lower these days or are you saying the SS V8 Commodore is unable to do 110? Or say 150?

The police are not supposed to be performing some 300Km/h chases across public roads to chase a so called criminal … they actually cause more damage with these chases than good!

The point is that its tax free cause the government sees no point to tax itself as it all comes from the same pocket anayways … the car however is still a lot more expensive than a Commodore as its base price is much higher.

Originally Posted by Geez Louise

Your thread is about the fact that Highway Patrol police are now using E3 Clubsports? You also say, no one benefits from this but them?

With the amount of Turbo cars/faster cars on our roads, No I don't think a standard V8 Commodore SS IS good enough.

I see with the Police having newer cars.... the public benefit. This is nothing new.

Your points are all mute and hardly thread worthy.

[Wretched]

I would rather the police force spend a few more shillings and ensure their members have the right equipment.

I'd imagine the brakes and suspension in the clubsport would be a whole lot better in their line of work as opposed to those in the SS.

I'd imagine they wouldn't pay RRP and wouldn't have a whole lot of them either.

got any comment on this?

[dimka100]

The Lambo was a donation by the factory ... not a police purchase.

I guess the people of Australia love to see their government taxes burned up …

Originally Posted by Wretched

I would rather the police force spend a few more shillings and ensure their members have the right equipment.

I'd imagine the brakes and suspension in the clubsport would be a whole lot better in their line of work as opposed to those in the SS.

I'd imagine they wouldn't pay RRP and i don't imagine they have a whole lot of them either.

got any comment on this

[RG]

Dimka, I believe you need to remove the "ka" from your username for it to be slightly more apt.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by dimka100

The Lambo was a donation by the factory ... not a police purchase.

I guess the people of Australia love to see their government taxes burned up …

Still relevant to your comment of "nobody but them benefits from …."

Really? You think this is the only way governments waste our money? In the grand scheme of things a clubsport or ten at a discounted rate is miniscule compared to other wastage.

In the 2009-10 Budget, the biggest spending areas for this financial year will be: social security and welfare ($116.5b), other purposes ($58.8b), health ($51.2b), education ($35.2b), defence ($21b) and general public services ($17.8b). To clarify, other purposes mainly comprise revenue assistance to State, Territory and Local Governments, while general public services refers to money paid to run the government, as well as public research and foreign aid. It’s also worth mentioning that spending on housing and community amenities will more than double from $4.4b to $9.1b due to one-off stimulus payments.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/blog.a...wcomments=true

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Wretched

got any comment on this?

My comment below

[SB076]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

My comment below

Probably not the best car to perform a pitt(?) manoeuvre, but still they suceeded.

[ZDHLANE]

I think the thread starter has made a fair call in his initial comments/question.

Do we have a right to Question where some of tax payers funds are going?

Would 2x ss commies as a street presence deter speeding crime etc than having one top of the range performance machine???

On the flip side, some of the replies are absolutely rediculous and seem outright personal attacks! oh yeah (perhaps not thread worthy)

There are also some good replies that actually make sense

Personally, I don't lose sleep over the cars that are chosen, nor am i Jealous that i do not have one and secondly neither do i understand why the police have to have an e3 either but my missus keeps telling me how smart i am !:

I wonder what category that would make me

Maybe re reading the start of the thread again may assist in constructive comments and the thread could actually go in a positive direction whether we agree or not.

Just my 2 bob worth

In fact, the "RANT" was just that!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by ZDHLANE

Do we have a right to Question where some of tax payers funds are going?

Apparently if its for the police were not (you can be accused for police bashing).

Originally Posted by ZDHLANE

Would 2x ss commies as a street presence deter speeding crime etc than having one top of the range performance machine???

More police presence on the streets, no we need more speed camera's!! lol

LIke ZDHLANE it doesn't really bother me but I guess that it should be questioned since there are no more high speed chases. Does anyone know if there is a maximum speed police are allowed to travel to catch up to someone or is there none.

[FalconXR6]

Originally Posted by ZDHLANE

I think the thread starter has made a fair call in his initial comments/question.

Do we have a right to Question where some of tax payers funds are going?

Would 2x ss commies as a street presence deter speeding crime etc than having one top of the range performance machine???

On the flip side, some of the replies are absolutely rediculous and seem outright personal attacks! oh yeah (perhaps not thread worthy)

There are also some good replies that actually make sense

Personally, I don't lose sleep over the cars that are chosen, nor am i Jealous that i do not have one and secondly neither do i understand why the police have to have an e3 either but my missus keeps telling me how smart i am !:

I wonder what category that would make me

Maybe re reading the start of the thread again may assist in constructive comments and the thread could actually go in a positive direction whether we agree or not.

Just my 2 bob worth

In fact, the "RANT" was just that!

best post in thread - a gold star to you !

you are right - people have the right to question the expense.

imagine if a few R8s or F6's started popping up in amongst government fleets. hey, they need a tool of trade vehicle - just as police officers do. the question is, is the tool of trade vehicle a suitable vehicle ?

in the op's example, i don't believe it is - not when an xr or ss will perform a similar job at a lesser cost.

the cops in my area drive xt falcon's because they are a suitable tool of trade vehicle.
then again, morons shooting / killing / ram rading / trying to out run police is not as common an occurance here in tas as it is on the mainland...

[Fled74]

The law SHOULD have faster cars than Hollywood.
It'll make offenders think twice about gunning it and trying to get away (the smart ones at least).

[No.6]

Sure. Id love to see an SS, from a standing start on the opposite side of the road, catch up to a more agile wrx.


Cops need fast cars, not just to chase people or catch up to them, but to also discourage people from wanting to run off in the first place. They also have a bunch of F6's in every hero colour possible, as well as xr6t's with brembo brakes and fpv rims. I see no problem in giving the police whatever is necessary to arrest the scum of the earth.

[Brazen]

Its also a bit of a morale boost for officers too, cheaper to keep them happy than leave.

[Streets]

Hahaha. You're jealous. Taxpayer's money haha cry me a river.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Streets

Hahaha. You're jealous. Taxpayer's money haha cry me a river.

that was my first impression. some guys just have better jobs than others.
would you want to do an 8 hour shift patrolling in a HSV or in a toyoda?

[|||]

not to mention all the ambo drivers cruising around in MERCEDES BENZ ambulances!

do they really need such expensive vehicles? why not an AU wagon on LPG?

[PoweredByCNG]

Originally Posted by |||

not to mention all the ambo drivers cruising around in MERCEDES BENZ ambulances!

FYI, in the commercial vehicles sector, the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter is actually very competitively priced and there is hardly any local competition to speak of.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by |||

not to mention all the ambo drivers cruising around in MERCEDES BENZ ambulances!

do they really need such expensive vehicles? why not an AU wagon on LPG?

That cost $250K a pop once its converted into an Ambulance....

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

COPS DONT DO HIGH SPEED CHASES anymore...so why buy a flagship model...absolutely no need at all. WASTE OF TAX MONEY. Anyone who doesnt believe this is either stipid or ignorant. Otherwise tell me why its not a waste with a real explanation.

Either do you, the max speed limit in this country is 130km/h, my Fiesta could do that no problem.

[Turbo6FG]

By the time they radio back & go thru the red tape to engage in a high speed chase the offenders are long gone anyway if they are going to run for it.
If someone is doing a runner they normally use the chopper these days & radio ahead to do road blocks.

The 0-100 & 1/4 mile times of a Clubbie & standard XR6T are within a bees dick anyway. Why not buy one of them with a brake upgrade instead of some tarted up pimpmobile with vents all over it?

I agree - waste of $$$.

[weenie]

Maybe the wider rears make it safer than a ford or holden, & they can watch how many Gs they pull when cornering on the new centre screen.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Dimka get a life.....the car pays for itself in no time, and the average Highway car is worth around 150K by the time its kitted out regardless of brand make or model.

There is a few FPV Highway cars in my area both marked and unmarked, should be more of them IMO:noteworthy

Also if you think equipping the Cops with the gear they need to stop idiots being idiots, and possibly saving a few lifes along the way is a waste of tax payers money, start looking at the human garbage we waste our tax money on by providing junkies with cash and free housing, the same junkies that tie up our police and court resources and ambulance services from getting to people on time.

Or is it just jealousy that the cop gets to drive a nice car for his shift while you look for the next trolly in the Franklins car park during yours

[stevz]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Dimka get a life.....the car pays for itself in no time, and the average Highway car is worth around 150K by the time its kitted out regardless of brand make or model.

Really? I wouldn't have thought lights, sirens, decals and communication equipment would cost that much. Say the govt pays $30k for an SS or XR6T, does that mean all the kit out costs $120k? Unlikely.

[BDA Escort]

it doesn't matter how fast an offender's car is in a chase anyway, coz while some things out may out run a cop car, nothing will out run a cop radio....

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by stevz

Really? I wouldn't have thought lights, sirens, decals and communication equipment would cost that much. Say the govt pays $30k for an SS or XR6T, does that mean all the kit out costs $120k? Unlikely.

Just relaying info that I have been told, there is a lot of hi tech gear in these cars, especially the new ones, with number plate recognition, radars, computers, cameras etc I would imagine the number plate recognition would be worth a few $$$ as well as the radar, probably a few thousand worth of computer stuff, software etc etc etc

I doubt they get them for $30K especially the FPV and HSV versions commonly used now.

May be 150K is exaggerated, but I was given that figure from the horses mouth and did not query it further...

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Dimka get a life.....the car pays for itself in no time, and the average Highway car is worth around 150K by the time its kitted out regardless of brand make or model.

Rubbish, our Mercedes sprinter 319's cost about $120k fully kitted out and we have more systems than the average cop car. By that I mean we have LED emergency lights, radio, sat nav, satelite vehicle locator, LED interior lighting, Mobile Data Terminal, oxygen, suction, stretcher, stair chair, scoop, KED, Donway, spinal board etc etc, not to mention the cost of the interior modifications which are extensive. Considering a Mercedes Sprinter is near on $60k retail, say $50k government price, I highly doubt the cops could spend $90k on their fitout, we only spend $70k.

I do not believe for a moment that once all factors are considered such as buy price, servicing (servicing a clubbie is much more expensive than a SS) and resale are taken into account, that the clubbie is more cost effective than the SS or XR6T.

Personally I do not see a need for them to have FPV and HSV, a XR6T is plenty fast enough. It marginally annoys me that they get HSV, FPV etc and we have to put up with a gutless non turbo forrester that once loaded could not pull the skin off a custard. Due to the weights our forresters carry we need either the turbo petrol or turbo diesel models but we can not get them because apparently the asthmatic NA 4cyl is fast enough.

As for the idea of the brakes being better on the HSV, I do the same sort of driving (within safe margins for lights and sirens in all traffic conditions) in a Forrester with smaller brakes than a commodore SS or XR6T. In my opinion if the cops are reaching the limit of the brakes in those vehicles they should call off the chase and peg it back in the interest of safety. I have driven police spec commodores, if you bake the brakes you are a cowboy.