Lambo seized after mechanic caught speeding

jaydee · 07-01-2010, 02:54 PM

Apparently a plain car followed the guy in excess of 160 in a 90 zone. He's a mechanic testing the car and it was seized.
The owner reckons it's not fair and going to cause him some "inconvenience", like he doesn't have another car to drive.
I wonder if the mechanic get's a kick in the you know what , or his boss might understand as it's probably common practices to give these luxury cars a squirt.
I've actually seen it before entering the freeway and the owner giving it a bit, moved out but sounded very tinny, not a deep rumble like the old time V8's.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/video/perth/#fop

blueluvr · 07-01-2010, 03:16 PM

So when does it stop being a speeding fine and become a "hoon" offence?

BOSHOG · 07-01-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blueluvr

So when does it stop being a speeding fine and become a "hoon" offence?

ya mean when does it become a stolen vehicle?

blueluvr · 07-01-2010, 03:42 PM

Stolen? You mean by the impounding? Or the owner making the excuse to try and get his car back?

I was refering to at what point for the cops does it stop being a "simple" speeding fine (or reckless driving) and become a "hoon offence" with it's own batch of penalties. Driving fast does not necessarily make a hoon. You can be a hoon doing zero ground speed of course.

This is an interesting scenario as the owner has given permission for the test drive by the mech, yet I assume he didn't ask for it to be driven to the point of confiscation. And of course it's up to the driver to determine how hard he presses the loud pedal.

The thing is the "anti hoon" rules are to try and make the hooner suffer further by taking his car off the road. Obviously here, it kind of backfired as it aint his car.

It also opens the question as to the whole "street racing" thing. Lets say someone leave the lights quickly and a car behind or next to accellerates with car 1. When does it become a "race" as opposed to two cars speeding.

These hoon rules leave a lot for the courts/lawyers/lawmakers to work out I'm guessing, and maybe that's the beauty in these rules ;)

btw, I'm wondering if he still got his repair bill, or it will be waivered !?

Bobman · 07-01-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blueluvr

I was refering to at what point for the cops does it stop being a "simple" speeding fine (or reckless driving) and become a "hoon offence" with it's own batch of penalties. Driving fast does not necessarily make a hoon. You can be a hoon doing zero ground speed of course.

In Victoria, I think you get your car impounded for speeding if you are travelling at 30km/h over the posted limit. Drunk drivers don't get their cars impounded. Go figure!

blueluvr · 07-01-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

In Victoria, I think you get your car impounded for speeding if you are travelling at 30km/h over the posted limit. Drunk drivers don't get their cars impounded. Go figure!

Wow, that shows how much (little) thought went into it.

As long as soccer mum and granny watch the news and feel safer on the roads when they see another "hoon" getting his car towed, then politically it is a great law I guess.

Like the stupid idea someone came up with over the last few days of trying to take dangerous goods trucks off the road over the xmas break after a family veered onto the wrong side of the road and ended up under a fuel tanker. It happens twice and it becomes a "spate"
Such a sad story, but how is this a problem of the truck....or what it was carrying. Maybe if it goes through, the servos will run out of fuel over the holidays, and no one will be on the road, problem solved........ And we pay these idiots to come up with these ideas.

phillyc · 08-01-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

In Victoria, I think you get your car impounded for speeding if you are travelling at 30km/h over the posted limit. Drunk drivers don't get their cars impounded. Go figure!

Because a judge or politician is more likely to DUI. Simple. There i figured it out!

jaydee · 07-01-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blueluvr

So when does it stop being a speeding fine and become a "hoon" offence?

In WA 45 kays over the limit and it's classed as "hooning" not speeding and bye bye car and you go to Court for reckless driving.

Motor bike mechanics do this stuff all the time and there's no way they can get caught, unless they stop, not likely.

blueluvr · 07-01-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

Motor bike mechanics do this stuff all the time and there's no way they can get caught, unless they stop, not likely.

Do what stuff all the time? hoon around on customers bikes, doing runners from the cops? mate, please don't go there.
I have been doing this for over 25 years straight in a lot of different shops, and honestly in that time, I am yet to hear of a wrench do this on a customers bike. Besides, bikes have number plates too you know ;) Or maybe we actually change the plates before we go on our "bikie" hoon rampage of the streets ?????

When we are on customers bikes (and sales bikes), and in most cases identifiable workwear, the last thing ANY workshop (bike or car) needs is a rep for fanging customers bikes on test rides. How would you feel if you found out from a mate who saw your local tuner out there thrashing your pride and joy on the streets? That's prob why he doesn't do it either.

word gets out pretty quick if that's going down, esp. in the bike trade, which is still very cottage. I'm sure there are some that do ride like idiots, but after being in this trade for this long, I have come to notice they don't last long at all......literally. When a modern litre sportsbike does well over a ton in first gear in less time than it takes to fart, you learn to show restraint.

When you do it for a job, it aint about the test rides. As much as you may or may not think it's fun riding around on bikes for a job, it's far from the truth. In reality, we are riding in the middle of congested citys, and as such, we are simply trying to avoid getting run over by you tin top drivers. Car drivers "do this stuff all the time and there's no way they can get caught, unless they stop, not likely" (see what it sounds like when you generalise like you did ;)

We used to service the cop bikes at one place I worked, and a senior mech at the time was taken out by a car in downtown Parramatta who pulled out on him......... he was riding a full dress cop bike ferchrissake!

Sorry for going off topic, but your comment was nothing but a generalised rant.

To get back OT, I agree totally that it's outrageous the owner has lost his car and even your local polly is saying he's not getting it back. If I were the owner, I'd be going the whole hog, and it certainly shows the real world flaws when governments make knee jerk decisions.

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I was just talking to a mate about how docile and apathetic Australians are. No matter what new laws are introduced we just sit and take it. Complain loudly on internet forums sure, but no one does a thing. What we need is some good ole fashioned riots!!

Spot on.

jaydee · 08-01-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blueluvr

Do what stuff all the time? hoon around on customers bikes, doing runners from the cops? mate, please don't go there.
I have been doing this for over 25 years straight in a lot of different shops, and honestly in that time, I am yet to hear of a wrench do this on a customers bike. Besides, bikes have number plates too you know ;) Or maybe we actually change the plates before we go on our "bikie" hoon rampage of the streets ?????

When we are on customers bikes (and sales bikes), and in most cases identifiable workwear, the last thing ANY workshop (bike or car) needs is a rep for fanging customers bikes on test rides. How would you feel if you found out from a mate who saw your local tuner out there thrashing your pride and joy on the streets? That's prob why he doesn't do it either.

word gets out pretty quick if that's going down, esp. in the bike trade, which is still very cottage. I'm sure there are some that do ride like idiots, but after being in this trade for this long, I have come to notice they don't last long at all......literally. When a modern litre sportsbike does well over a ton in first gear in less time than it takes to fart, you learn to show restraint.

When you do it for a job, it aint about the test rides. As much as you may or may not think it's fun riding around on bikes for a job, it's far from the truth. In reality, we are riding in the middle of congested citys, and as such, we are simply trying to avoid getting run over by you tin top drivers. Car drivers "do this stuff all the time and there's no way they can get caught, unless they stop, not likely" (see what it sounds like when you generalise like you did ;)

We used to service the cop bikes at one place I worked, and a senior mech at the time was taken out by a car in downtown Parramatta who pulled out on him......... he was riding a full dress cop bike ferchrissake!

Sorry for going off topic, but your comment was nothing but a generalised rant.

To get back OT, I agree totally that it's outrageous the owner has lost his car and even your local polly is saying he's not getting it back. If I were the owner, I'd be going the whole hog, and it certainly shows the real world flaws when governments make knee jerk decisions.

Spot on.

Yes maybe I was generalising a bit, but it does happen. Yes they have number plates, but on the back, so here in WA speed cameras can't pick them up.
I know one shop that has a laneway behind it and have seen the mechanics doing mono's up and down the laneway on customers bikes.
Another shop that I have to park near when waiting to pick up my daughter I regularly see the mechanics even with their distinctive company vests on come flying down the road at mach1, pulling mono's and blowing the STOP sign at the end of the street.

I suppose like any business there's good ones and bad ones, so your point taken.

Road_Warrior · 08-01-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blueluvr

So when does it stop being a speeding fine and become a "hoon" offence?

If you do 45km/h over the posted limit, then that's a hoon offence and you're liable for a bit of impounding action.

There is also a crazy catch-all clause in the Road Traffic Act 1974 which says that anyone who does more than 155km/h anywhere in the state commits an offence - used to be reckless I think but now its probably a hooning offence.

phillyc · 07-01-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

Apparently a plain car followed the guy in excess of 160 in a 90 zone. He's a mechanic testing the car and it was seized.
The owner reckons it's not fair and going to cause him some "inconvenience", like he doesn't have another car to drive.
I wonder if the mechanic get's a kick in the you know what , or his boss might understand as it's probably common practices to give these luxury cars a squirt.
I've actually seen it before entering the freeway and the owner giving it a bit, moved out but sounded very tinny, not a deep rumble like the old time V8's.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/video/perth/#fop

Just like the journalist in the Ferrari over that way.

BOSHOG · 07-01-2010, 03:49 PM

i read somewhere the incident happened 30km from the workshop. i consider a mechanic that far away from the workshop driving my car in that manner as stealing it.

a test drive has limits

The Monty · 07-01-2010, 03:59 PM

Wow, whats the name of the mechanic?
I think the car should be given back, the mechanic however should be done for grand theft auto, plus loose his license under the hoon act.

dsyfer · 07-01-2010, 04:02 PM

Probably the owner took it in and told the mechanic "mate it's got a bit of a miss at about 180kms, can you check it out"

blueluvr · 07-01-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dsyfer

Probably the owner took it in and told the mechanic "mate it's got a bit of a miss at about 180kms, can you check it out"

Don't laugh, it happens a lot to me. I repair road bikes, so it goes along the lines of "it has a bit of a flat spot at 6K rpm in 4th.....which on a modern litre sportsbike is crazy speeds.
If I can't get dyno access, I hand them to someone else. Not worth copping a fine, having someones bike confiscated, or dying, trying to find a fault for a day job.

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i read somewhere the incident happened 30km from the workshop. i consider a mechanic that far away from the workshop driving my car in that manner as stealing it.

Guess we need the whole story before we judge, but I understand where you are coming from. That is a big test drive, but sometimes it does require a long test to find weird faults, maybe the workshop is nowhere near open freeway to be able to test out a possible acceleration issue, who knows.

You will prob find though that as he did give permission for the car to be test driven (assumtion only here) then he couldn't be done for theft.

One would think the odo is going to show how many K's it was driven, so he must be pretty stupid if he decided to take it for a 60K round trip after a basic repair.........then again he did get done for 160 in a 90 zone......which IS pretty stupid.

**DJM83** · 08-01-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dsyfer

Probably the owner took it in and told the mechanic "mate it's got a bit of a miss at about 180kms, can you check it out"

Seriously i hope this guy takes them to the cleaners. Seriously FFS why should he be punished for the actions of a retard mechanic.

The G6ET Spot · 07-01-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

I've actually seen it before entering the freeway and the owner giving it a bit, moved out but sounded very tinny, not a deep rumble like the old time V8's.

Probably cause it's a high tech V10. Boy what a noise they make when the taps are opened all the way.

Not as nice as a V12 Astin Martin though

Mr Hardware · 07-01-2010, 04:19 PM

Ferris Bueller's Day Off II?

Fairlane · 07-01-2010, 04:22 PM

Thinking of Ferris Buellers Day off Right now - The Dodgy Parking Station guys..

This story points out how stupid the hoon legislation is aswell.

*Damn, Mr Hardware beat me to it

BOSHOG · 07-01-2010, 04:22 PM

everytime ive gone to my favourite workshop (guess who) the owner takes me along for the test drives to diagnose the problem. i also went with one of the employees once. every time they used the same route around the back streets with a nice mix of residential, hills, bends and industrial areas (for a squirt). i think it would be 10-15km but never more than 5km from the workshop.

i totally agree test drives need to be thorough, but that mechanic is pushing the limits lol

Keepleft · 07-01-2010, 04:27 PM

Need to allow that confiscation be optional, with vehicle type and bran discrimination allowed.

You'd pull over the 53yo mechanic and action his exceed speed-limit by way of regular fine, or charge him with 'speed dangerous' et al IF that was deemed proper.

If the bloke was doing burn outs in a built-up area, or industrial estate, and then, mebbe,- take the vehicle. Mostly bogan types here.

Regardless, still reckon Aussies going downhill.

blueluvr · 07-01-2010, 05:02 PM

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Need to allow that confiscation be optional, with vehicle type and bran discrimination allowed.

What?

What I'm trying to figure out from all of this, what constitutes a hoon driver- car confiscation offence?

The G6ET Spot · 07-01-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

Need to allow that confiscation be optional, with vehicle type and bran discrimination allowed.

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Originally Posted by blueluvr

What?

What I'm trying to figure out from all of this, what constitutes a hoon driver- car confiscation offence?

It shouldn't be the customer that is the one left without a car because a mechanic takes it out and drives at an excessive speed.

How would you feel if it was your car that they wanted to take for 28 days.

They should either take the mechanics personal car or the one of the dealers cars. Then see him squirm. That is if he still has a job anymore! You would sure hope that he got the bullet for that.

UU TS50 · 07-01-2010, 05:16 PM

I think in the past they have given the owner back his car and taken the drivers car off him instead?

UNR8D · 07-01-2010, 05:37 PM

Id look at legal options here, because if that was my lambo Id want blood.

is it just me or do you get harsher penalities in australia for just speeding or leaving 2 black lines then you do for glassing someone/molesting/murder... NOTHING else carry's with it such a huge penality or different cost for the same offence as hooning laws.

Hoon isnt even a defined word in the dictionary FFS it astounds me that no lawyer has looked into loopholes/ways of makeing it fairer IE if its not your car there is a bigger fine but no car confiscation as it isnt your property they are confiscating.

or maybe just not treating every driver as an easy target/media headline/cashcow as australia seems to be obsessed with for the past 5 years.

FPV+fteT3 · 07-01-2010, 05:50 PM

Just heard on the news the WA police minister has refused the owners request to have the car returned it will stay impounded for 28 days.

WTF obviously the owner was not driving the mechanic said it was in for a service so why punish the owner FFS..............

This situation or something similar could be any of us. Dont lend your car out people.

Are all the pollies brain dead in this country?

flappist · 07-01-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Just heard on the news the WA police minister has refused the owners request to have the car returned it will stay impounded for 28 days.

WTF obviously the owner was not driving the mechanic said it was in for a service so why punish the owner FFS..............

This situation or something similar could be any of us. Dont lend your car out people.

Are all the pollies brain dead in this country?

Only rich people own lambos and rich people have access to good legal advice.

This will be interesting.....

littlered · 07-01-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Only rich people own lambos and rich people have access to good legal advice.

This will be interesting.....

I know the Doc - his brother is Lawyer... watch this space...

ltd_on20s · 07-01-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by littlered

I know the Doc - his brother is Lawyer... watch this space...

excellent.