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How Commodore and Falcon have gone down slugging
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Wow, that graph is really depressing. Looks worse because they start the scale at 30,000 units. But it's still really bad.
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You think the guys at Ford look back at the good old AU days?
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The article is clear on taking a swing at Ford for not putting any money in to develop the wagon. Fair call. But if they developed a wagon that would then make TWO in their lineup, because they already have the Territory. So what have they excluded? Is it just Utes and SUV's? And if we're comparing Commodore to Falcon why are they excluded? Do they exclude LWB sedans as well or are they inclulded? The number's here stink a bit. Lukeyson
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I honestly think that ford could have turned AU from failure to disaster so easily. The cost cutting excercises might have been nessecary but perhaps more planning or R+D would have seen minor cosmetic alterations, engine calibrations, interior adjustments and the like, to turn a failure into a success.
Many people baulked at the AU, and many of fords top boys probably baulked at the sales figure(only 68,000??!!) but compare it to now(19,000) and i'm sure they'd be killing to have similar sales figures now in 2009 as they did for AU. I realize it's a different time and things have changed, but it is sobering. Nonetheless, I wish people would stop hating on a current model for previous models mistakes. I recently tried persauding a bloke at work, who was looking to trade his VZ SV6, into getting a new FG XR6t. "nah mate", was his reply, "they have too many problems, that AU your mates got is always breaking down". Well of course it is, it's clocked 400,000klms, he's got 2kids who trash it and it's a S1... Like it's going to be showroom condition?? His mentality however is pretty common. So many people base the FG on the AU's faults. And they can't do that. They're two completely different cars. One has a SOHC six, the other a twin cam six mated to a german 6spd trans that is unrivalled in any other car manufactured in AUS, bar none. One has an exterior look that, while disliked by the majority of Joe Average, is usually found admired by enthusiasts for being the amazing controversial body shape that it is. Ford took that risk and they learnt from it. That is why we make mistakes right? The other, FG, has a distinctly more aesthetically pleasing look to Joe Ave, yet suffers in sales still.. It does not add up. This bloke at work listened carefully as I explained the benefits of the new 6spd trans, explained how ford have worked so hard to iron out all the niggly issues it has had to create a superior vehicle, explained how the I6t tromps the competition in all aspects for power, torque, driveability, fuel consumption and smoothness...his reply? "nah mate, holden 6litre smokes that POS". I sighed...what can you do? Smile smugly in the knowledge he's wrong, and fume inwardly that so many believe the same rubbish he just told me too..
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The market has changed significantly since the days of AU.
Oil prices and a shift towards smaller cars have given the Falcodore sales a beating. Not to mention some shoddy quality of the past that people don't forget. I am not so sure the figures will get back to the hey day of the E-series. Ford just have to have range of cars in each class instead of relying on the Falcon.
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Ford should do a 3ltr twin turbo
That'd wake up holden a tad |
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Bigger turbo diesel with tall gearing in higher gears gives you good economy over a smaller engine..
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I wonder if Ford had managed the issues that the BA series cars had properly, wether the BF might have started a lot higher up on that chart. Its like the BA goes gang busters after the AU, three years later we all know the problems (fleets included) and sales start declining again - never to catchup with Holden.
I don't think it would be styling as at that point the BA/BA II were still fresh looking. |
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Can't see how they will justify "all new ground up" models in the future with the way they are selling. Demand is getting worse and worse. 380 anyone?
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Must be getting alot harder to recoup the r&d costs . But business is business i guess they need to adapt a find exactly what the consumer wants . Personally i hate buying a new car because i always find i have to comprimise and there is never a model that ticks all the boxes from any company. |
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I think Ford are taking too long at introducing the I4T. It should be released next year. Other manufacturers (Mitsubishi come to mind with the MY10 Triton) realise the benefit of getting a vehicle to the market early if there's a demand for it, or the technology in the new vehicle will appeal.
Then again, Ford are the same company who decided in 2004 there was no market for a diesel Terri :(
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I really think it may attract new buyers to ford from fleets and older people but they need to keep them there not drive them away to the next company . A little off topic but i think ford really do need a cheaper option attack the camry , There cars are great value but still a lot of dollars for a lot of people and a lot of money for people who dont care what they drive Last edited by snappy84; 24-09-2009 at 12:08 AM. |
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Agreed. But the slowly-slowly approach is costing market share.
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^^^^^^
For sure i agree 100% they will be in a bit more trouble now with the holden having the economy edge . But is this economy a good time to exepect good sales. An would the model become stale before before it picks up . I often wonder is if the cruise is making good sales because its a small car and thats what people want or is it because it cheap and from a popular brand. |
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I would like to see the graph of profitability.
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Another good thread Boss315.
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Q. How did the merchant become a millionaire after he kept selling his goods for half of what he purchased them for? A. He was a billionaire. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to how Holden almost went broke had it not been for the government's secret $1/2B bailout earlier this year, yet, Commodore has been at the top of the sales charts for that long? And it still tops the charts. That's all well and good, but as GT69 so rightly insinuates... how, and at who's expense?
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A declining market segment is a worry though... especially if the largest player in that market is "buying" sales.
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Good question falc'man, if a company is selling, say 100,000 vehicles a year yet requires financial aid to the tune of 500million, is there a problem in their expenses? Or somewhere else in the company? You'd be right to think so. It's like saying, you're the best cyclist in the world, but still use trainer wheels from time to time...
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Something else to keep in mind is the fact that the government departments are buying
fewer OZ built 6 cylinder cars and bowing to pressure of the public and goin for more economical greener options. Add that to the fact that over the last few yrs they have also started updating less often. Example: Once upon a time QLD govt cars were sold once they had done around 40k-60k and 2yrs(depending on which department) most of them now keep vehicles for the duration of their warranty period. Think back to the era of the AU, you very rarely saw a govt vehicle that wasn't either a falcon or a commo. Now they are driving Prius, Corolla and all other manner of 4 cylinder fuel efficient buzz box. The obvious downside to this is that the Australian car industry suffers. Both from the sales of it's bigger car market and sales in general because vehicles are being replaced less often. |
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