Holden Bashing!

Teflon Turbo · 31-07-2009, 09:22 PM

Since the defection of T8 to Holden I have noticed a heck of alot of Holden Bashing.

Like a Lench Mob on the loose and on the prowl, searching, for a thread (and there are lots) to lay the boot into the arch rival.

I personaly don't care and don't really have an issue.

I visit a few car forums from time to time including Holden ones too and I see them saying the same thing but for no reason really, just mindless and senseless dribble.

So the question beckons, is there a slight chance we are getting as bad as the Holden bogans?

out:

jaydee · 31-07-2009, 09:35 PM

I think you answered your own question in your last sentence.

uranium_death · 31-07-2009, 09:45 PM

I personally do not give a crap if 888 has gone to Holden.
REality is that many people would not even be aware of V8SC results, and I question whether the results on the track have any significant bearing on sales anymore.

Also, I question whether drivers race for the badge, or themselves.

If 888 think they'll be better off by switching camps, then best wishes to them. Life goes on.

Spanrz · 31-07-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

Also, I question whether drivers race for the badge, or themselves.

Perfect answer...... for J.W...... I've never seen more of a "switcher" in my life.
But J Dub's answer is always "Ford never came to the party, so why should I".

Problem with this whole thing of T8, J.Dub / CL, Ford, Holden and Roland, have brought the Fans with them in this cult of a sport.

The fans are divided, because a change of heart was quicker than you can say "BS".

I reckon if the T8 boys had of mentioned all this about 1-2 races before the end of the season, every Ford Fan would be saddened, but life goes on.
But because T8 switched mid season, and J.Dub was drooling of the new GMH car (as in to twist the knife while it was in), just makes us Fans feel duped.

V8SC (Avesco) have made this sport an "in your face" type of sport, as in you can get so in and personal to the sport, it's like you are driving with them.

The downside to this, is when a hiccup happens, such as this, it goes belly up and brings every passionate fan to the knees and divides us even more (e.g Like "splittergate").

AVESCO, need their heads read lately, due to some things going really balmy.
E.g
J.Dub "should have" received a drive thru, Mezera just uttered total crap when he babbled J.Dub's driving style.
The handling of "SplitterGate" and the Parity issue.
If there is 20 Holdens versus 10 Fords on the grid, where's the PARITY?

It really seems that T8 (Roland) and Ford's pub brawl has spilled out in to the street, so the outside people can also join in and that's what's happened.
A business gone sour has now involved innocent bystanders who now feel they are involved.
Where as AVESCO has done nothing to protect the Bystanders. So in my view, let the fans view the points to Ford, T8 and AVESCO, for bringing the sport into disrepute.
Un-Australian.

starkersEB · 31-07-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spanrz

Perfect answer...... for J.W...... I've never seen more of a "switcher" in my life.
But J Dub's answer is always "Ford never came to the party, so why should I".

Problem with this whole thing of T8, J.Dub / CL, Ford, Holden and Roland, have brought the Fans with them in this cult of a sport.

The fans are divided, because a change of heart was quicker than you can say "BS".

I reckon if the T8 boys had of mentioned all this about 1-2 races before the end of the season, every Ford Fan would be saddened, but life goes on.
But because T8 switched mid season, and J.Dub was drooling of the new GMH car (as in to twist the knife while it was in), just makes us Fans feel duped.

V8SC (Avesco) have made this sport an "in your face" type of sport, as in you can get so in and personal to the sport, it's like you are driving with them.

The downside to this, is when a hiccup happens, such as this, it goes belly up and brings every passionate fan to the knees and divides us even more (e.g Like "splittergate").

AVESCO, need their heads read lately, due to some things going really balmy.
E.g
J.Dub "should have" received a drive thru, Mezera just uttered total crap when he babbled J.Dub's driving style.
The handling of "SplitterGate" and the Parity issue.
If there is 20 Holdens versus 10 Fords on the grid, where's the PARITY?

It really seems that T8 (Roland) and Ford's pub brawl has spilled out in to the street, so the outside people can also join in and that's what's happened.
A business gone sour has now involved innocent bystanders who now feel they are involved.
Where as AVESCO has done nothing to protect the Bystanders. So in my view, let the fans view the points to Ford, T8 and AVESCO, for bringing the sport into disrepute.
Un-Australian.

Probably the best sum up I have read about this over the last couple of days

ED Classic · 03-08-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

I personally do not give a crap if 888 has gone to Holden.
REality is that many people would not even be aware of V8SC results, and I question whether the results on the track have any significant bearing on sales anymore.

Also, I question whether drivers race for the badge, or themselves.

If 888 think they'll be better off by switching camps, then best wishes to them. Life goes on.

Judging by the 3 days of crowd on this weekends V8's you question whether its a sport that people want to pay to go and see anymore. Sundays was pretty good crowd except more than half are corporotes, teams and car clubs and handouts which is sad.

uranium_death · 03-08-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ED Classic

Judging by the 3 days of crowd on this weekends V8's you question whether its a sport that people want to pay to go and see anymore. Sundays was pretty good crowd except more than half are corporotes, teams and car clubs and handouts which is sad.

I never questioned people's passion or the crowds. I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

I questioned the general public's interest, and whether the sport still promotes new car sales on a large scale. For that reason, 888s move to Holden should not be taken so much to heart, for I do not think the implications will be all that significant.

I never questioned the sport itself.

The point of my post was the fact that it is simply a business, and 888 are welcome to do whatever they believe will help them achieve their goals better.

ltd · 03-08-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

I never questioned people's passion or the crowds. I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

I questioned the general public's interest, and whether the sport still promotes new car sales on a large scale. For that reason, 888s move to Holden should not be taken so much to heart, for I do not think the implications will be all that significant.

I never questioned the sport itself.

The point of my post was the fact that it is simply a business, and 888 are welcome to do whatever they believe will help them achieve their goals better.

Seriously though, next year there is only going to be 8 falcons out of the whole field. Pretty pathetic and I can see why people are getting upset.

ED Classic · 03-08-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

I never questioned people's passion or the crowds. I believe you have misinterpreted my post.

I questioned the general public's interest, and whether the sport still promotes new car sales on a large scale. For that reason, 888s move to Holden should not be taken so much to heart, for I do not think the implications will be all that significant.

I never questioned the sport itself.

The point of my post was the fact that it is simply a business, and 888 are welcome to do whatever they believe will help them achieve their goals better.

I never said you questioned crowds did I???? You questioned the general publics interest and whether the sport promotes new cars on a large scale (Of which You can only ever guess or question and you me Ford and Holden will never know to what exact extent) and then I said or if not meant by my post was that the less (declining) interest/attendaces can only have a negative effect and even much more so next year with 8 cars (only) on the grid. Hope I made it clearer for you.

uranium_death · 03-08-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ED Classic

I never said you questioned crowds did I???? You questioned the general publics interest and whether the sport promotes new cars on a large scale (Of which You can only ever guess or question and you me Ford and Holden will never know to what exact extent) and then I said or if not meant by my post was that the less (declining) interest/attendaces can only have a negative effect and even much more so next year with 8 cars (only) on the grid. Hope I made it clearer for you.

I still fail to see the correlation.

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Originally Posted by ED Classic

Judging by the 3 days of crowd on this weekends V8's you question whether its a sport that people want to pay to go and see anymore.

The people that will pay to watch a match are mostly people interested in the sport closely. I never questioned people wanting to go and pay. You will always have your paying fans.

However, I was talking about the public in general...

Compare AFL to V8SCs. People who know nothing about football and do not follow a team will sometimes still discuss results etc. Happens all the time when I'm in class or playing tennis...
I never hear anybody talk about V8s in the same manner.

Most people you talk to on the street would not know who is leading the V8s, who drives what car etc.

That was the basis of my argument

Therefore, I don't see the results on the track as being all that crucial to either company. Ford have been very strong in the V8s results-wise, but Holden still sells better.

Toyota don't have a big presence in Australian motorsport do they? They outsell everybody else though...

Auslandau · 31-07-2009, 09:54 PM

You will always get bias in a FORD or HOLDEN or what ever single branded forum

The same amount of bias is present as there was when FF.com was something to visit so long ago I was just a wee lad

There is more FORD bashing in these forums than LS1.com bashing FORDS

There will always be more bias present when there is an issue with the dark side

14 threads on T8 ia plenty .....

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**Peuty** · 31-07-2009, 09:54 PM

Cool story hansel.

XRtowcar · 31-07-2009, 10:24 PM

As racers, C.L. and J.W. couldn't give a toss if they had to race a beige prius as long as it was competitve and got them on the podium.
They race to win and get there names in the record books.
Along with it comes the money and fame.
V8 Super doopers is purely business.
Its the mugs in the stands that think the brands matters.

JG66ME · 31-07-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

Like a Lench Mob on the loose and on the prowl, searching, for a thread (and there are lots) to lay the boot into the arch rival.

out:

Linch mob

amb1206 · 31-07-2009, 10:51 PM

Lynch mob

JG66ME · 31-07-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by amb1206

Lynch mob

Yes, what he said

wicksy · 31-07-2009, 10:58 PM

i couldnt care what badge a car has these days, in it for the fun

Iggypoppin' · 31-07-2009, 11:21 PM

Like I said to the nuggets at work:nothing we can do by complaining about it, so WHO CARES

GT69 · 31-07-2009, 11:24 PM

Can i just say, I hope ford completely pulls the pin on V8SC's and puts that money back into its own company. Sure it'll appear that ford has picked up its bat and ball and gone home (from the holden standpoint) but who really gives a toss? V8SC wouldn't last a single season without Ford, and as far as im concerned (not a V8SC fan) in this current economic climate, Let Holden dump millions into a V8 series that does nothing for there actual vehicles. Let Ford walk away and put that money into buying everyone icecream or something (hell everyone likes Ice cream)

GK · 31-07-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GT69

Can i just say, I hope ford completely pulls the pin on V8SC's and puts that money back into its own company. Sure it'll appear that ford has picked up its bat and ball and gone home (from the holden standpoint) but who really gives a toss? V8SC wouldn't last a single season without Ford, and as far as im concerned (not a V8SC fan) in this current economic climate, Let Holden dump millions into a V8 series that does nothing for there actual vehicles. Let Ford walk away and put that money into buying everyone icecream or something (hell everyone likes Ice cream)

Have wondered about this a few times myself lately.

GK

Iggypoppin' · 31-07-2009, 11:36 PM

Well said GT69 no point spending money on something like this when there is a cash crisis and it's more of a frivolous luxury than it needs to be. Don't anyone get me wrong I love V8SC but sometimes you need to let things go to make way for the big picture.

EgoFG · 01-08-2009, 12:46 AM

I cruze the LS1 online world - and those guys bash even the slightest pro Ford Comment.
Yes we have fervour here. but it is not bashing like in LS1 land.

Wally · 01-08-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

I cruze the LS1 online world - and those guys bash even the slightest pro Ford Comment.
Yes we have fervour here. but it is not bashing like in LS1 land.

Never mind, there always seems to be more Holden threads in this forum than on LS1 anyway.

Mr X · 01-08-2009, 08:18 AM

I think its good to have a healthy respect for the opposition.
Away from the racing side of things-if Ford packed its tent and stopped making Falcons,I know what I'd be driving.
The V8 VE as a road car is not a bad thing.Conversely the V6 is a stinker.
12-15 hours to do timing chains,5 hours to change the thermostat and one of the hardest cars around to bleed air out of the cooling system.
The HSV stuff is pretty good I believe and only someone with total one eyed bias wouldn't concede that.

flame suit on?????

BHDOGS · 01-08-2009, 12:52 AM

Ford should pull out of v8sc already its a boring old race with the same cars with diffrent engines big whoop and if they drivers are in it just to win and get rich then dump them and get some ford enthusiasts to drive if they crash more and lose at least it will be interesting instead of watching a bunch of money hungry no brand loyalty losers race around a track and get rich by jumping on any band wagon that pays them more money.

greenfoam · 01-08-2009, 08:32 AM

I go on both forums since we have both cars, there's no doubt in my mind Ford fans in general are more full of hate and bias against the other make than Holden fans. The general idea on a Ford site is "All Holdens are shi_t " you even get people say a VE Commodore is the worst car they have ever driven....... I mean really.

However on a Holden site you will see... "Some Falcons are shi_t" (which in reality they were) but.... BA-BF are awesome for example. It's not so black and white.

True about the LS1 owners, but they are even looked down on by most other Holden owners due to their superiority complex

ltd · 01-08-2009, 12:39 PM

What can't be cured must be endured.
Move on, nothing to see here. V8SC races always put me to sleep anyway.

**PepeLePew** · 01-08-2009, 01:10 PM

Specifically in regard to forums, one thing I dont really notice much these days is retaliatory linking...

Ive been on AFF for years but was heavily into the LS1 forum during my VX SS days. There is a ton of respect over there for Ford products, but every forum, this one included, has its share of twits. But even twits are entitled to their opinion providing they arent over inflammatory.

Both forums are well moderated, but you cant be totalitarian about it either.

I think the V8SC thing is being done to death at the moment. Lets just get on with life and watch some racing

Mr Hardware · 01-08-2009, 01:15 PM

No this forum is not as bad with the Holden bashing as the Holden forums are with Ford bashing, but it's on the rise and completely unnecessary.

Ryan · 01-08-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

No this forum is not as bad with the Holden bashing as the Holden forums are with Ford bashing, but it's on the rise and completely unnecessary.

I've been a member of Street Commodores since 2004, and a member of LS1 since 2005. I'm on Street Commodores almost every day, and I go to LS1 quite regularly.

Quite honestly, looking at it with an open mind there isn't alot of Ford bashing on those sites. It does happen in posts sometimes, but I can't remember the last time I saw a dedicated Ford bashing thread on either site.